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The Jay
23rd July 2012, 21:37
I'm always happy when Che is put in the media spotlight, even when it is to portray him or his cause negatively. It means that Marxism needs to be checked or is being used as a scapegoat. Either way any publicity is good publicity - most of the time.

To the point, if you notice Che in any media let's collect it here in this thread. I'm sure that we'll have a bigger collection than we thought before long. I'll start.

I found this from a video game and it's a positive portrayal: usYtK3d2ydk

Book O'Dead
23rd July 2012, 21:41
Che appears in this film but you have to be quick to see him:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ye446kP7JYQ

Bostana
23rd July 2012, 22:06
I don't like it when he is in the media. They make him sound like some hippie who's goal was to destroy the corporations maan.

Which in a way is true but they don't show him as a Marxists

Ostrinski
23rd July 2012, 22:10
I don't like it when he is in the media. They make him sound like some hippie who's goal was to destroy the corporations maan.In truth, this description more accurately describes Che than as some kind of Marxist.

Bostana
23rd July 2012, 22:11
In truth, this description more accurately describes Che than as some kind of Marxist.

True this one is better than most

Brosa Luxemburg
23rd July 2012, 22:48
I am no Che worshiper or anything, but I think most criticism of him in the bourgeois media is unfounded. For example, I remember Glenn Beck doing something on him and the executions after the revolution trying to claim that Che executed the people for "no reason" and that it was just because he was bloodthirsty. Then, Beck goes on to interview members of a family that are Cuban exiles whose husband/father was executed and how horrible it was. They talked about how they couldn't understand why it happened, etc. Turned out, the guy they were talking about (I can't remember his name) was a top Batista general responsible for the torture, execution, etc. of many Cuban people under the Batista regime.

So, Che isn't some "great Marxist" that some make him out to be, yet most of the bourgeois criticism against him is stupid and unfounded.

Ostrinski
24th July 2012, 00:34
My grandfather (who is a conservative businessmen who lives in Miami and is well acquainted with many of the gusanos) was explaining to me that one of his best friends' father, who happened to be the largest contractor in Cuba under Batista, was executed by Che himself at La Cabana.

My response?

He shouldn't have been the largest contractor in Cuba under Batista.

Art Vandelay
24th July 2012, 16:35
John Lee Anderson who wrote the most extensive and well written biography on Che, which I would completely recommend, has stated that in his 8 years of research (I ball parked that number don't quote me on it) he couldn't find a single credible instance of Che executing an innocent, or doing anything out of the ordinary for post war trials.

Simply put, the west likes to count other peoples dead, not their own.

The Jay
24th July 2012, 16:38
I read that book actually. It was well-written.

Brosa Luxemburg
24th July 2012, 16:46
John Lee Anderson who wrote the most extensive and well written biography on Che, which I would completely recommend, has stated that in his 8 years of research (I ball parked that number don't quote me on it) he couldn't find a single credible instance of Che executing an innocent, or doing anything out of the ordinary for post war trials.

Simply put, the west likes to count other peoples dead, not their own.

I would also recommend Anderson's book

I believe it was 5 years actually.


In his characterization of Che Guevara, Mr. Ravelo makes a number of sweeping and emotional assertions which are historically unsound.

For instance, he says that Che was "the executioner of innocents all the way from the Sierra Maestra to the Cabana prison." To this I must point out that, while Che did indeed execute people [an episode I have gone into at length in my book] I have yet to find a single credible source pointing to a case where Che executed 'an innocent'. Those persons executed by Guevara or on his orders were condemned for the usual crimes punishable by death at times of war or in its aftermath: desertion, treason or crimes such as rape, torture or murder. I should add that my research spanned five years, and included anti-Castro Cubans among the Cuban-American exile community in Miami and elsewhere.

From Jon Lee Anderson (http://www.pbs.org/newshour/forum/november97/che1.html)

Brosa Luxemburg
24th July 2012, 16:55
Lol, this thread was completely derailed from it's original purpose.

The Jay
24th July 2012, 17:00
Yeah, but books count as media. I did intend for it to be more mainstream media though. Despite that, thanks for everyone posting! I'll put more down myself later today.