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Weidt
17th December 2003, 01:52
MARXISM AND FEMINISM
by Joe DeNeen
December 15, 2003
Essay for POL 365, Marxist Political Thought
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Karl Marx may not have spoken much about gender, sex or sexuality, but his works have definitely influenced movements centered on those important topics. The 1960s and 70s witnessed the emergence of new movements for and by women and queers, in addition to the civil rights movement and the rainbow of identity movements. In what was called the 'second wave,' feminism took on a new and broader character than its 'first wave' predecessor. Armed with new perspectives, Marxism and feminism were developed, transformed and re-packaged enabling virtually anyone to jump on board one of the numerous variations. In this process the two theories found both common ground and antagonism and today has created quite a child known as socialist, or Marxist, feminism.

Independently, "feminism is a movement to end sexism, sexist exploitation, and oppression." [1] On the other hand, Marxism is, fundamentally, a movement to abolish class and end class exploitation and oppression. At first glance one may conclude the two theories have nothing in common; however, there lies the historical mistakes made by both movements over the last century.

As already stated, Karl Marx said very little on the so-called "woman question." Instead the duty was left to his close comrade Friedrich Engels who also spoke little on the topic and only did so within the context of the family. (Another criticism was that throughout the works of Marx and Engels the overwhelming references are toward [white] men.) In his famous work Origin of the Family, Private Property and the State, Engels presented these limited analysis of the family and thus of women. Ronaldo Munck wrote a critical essay, "Unhappy Marriage: Marxism and Women," on Engels' writings and pointed that even though Engels did discuss reproduction in relationship to the family, Engels "still takes as a given that the domain of reproduction is a female one, counterposed to a male realm of production." [2] In addition, Engels assumed that production is the liberation of women, yet still deduces domestic labor to women. In contrast, Engels recognizes the socially created hierarchies within the family when he writes in The Condition of the Working Class in England: "We shall have to accept the fact that so complete a reversal of the role of the two sexes can be due only to some radical error in the original relationship between men and women. If the rule of the wife over her husband – a natural consequence of the factory system – is unnatural, then the former rule of the husband over the wife must also have been unnatural." [3]

Nonetheless, the lack of writing by these great theorists on the "woman question" cannot be excused outright; however, the conditions at the time cannot be ignored either. They wrote during the industrial revolution and witnessed, and participated in, bourgeois revolutions throughout Western Europe. As a result both focused their theory and analysis upon these important happenings, especially with Marx producing the most thorough and involved critique of capitalism in its adolescence. Their primary goal was to provide the tools from which the self-emancipation of the working class may happen and with it the emergence of revolutionary democracy and complete liberation of humanity.

Since Marx and Engels, the discussion over the "woman question" has been approached, but it remained peripheral to class. In 1878 the German social democrat August Babel wrote Woman and Socialism to rave reviews within the social democratic circles in Europe. Unfortunately he too retained a sexist analysis of women's position in capitalism by believing certain work was harmful to their femininity.

Munck discusses two prominent socialist women, Clara Zetkin and Alexandra Kollontai, and their firm commitment to women's liberation. Zetkin led the German socialist women's movement and through a primitive fusion of Marxism and early feminism came to the conclusion women's liberation must be analyzed within the context of gender and class. Thanks in part to Zetkin and her role in the Socialist Women's International, an autonomous entity of the Second (Socialist) International, women have their own day on March 8 – International Women's Day. For Kollontai, Russia was ripe with revolution and she successfully led the women's movement to victory following the 1917 October Revolution by obtaining equal pay for women and legal abortion. She, like Zetkin, embraced a mixture of gender and class analysis. Here too we may add great women like the American socialists Kate Richards O'Hare and Elizabeth Gurley Flynn.

Within the feminist movement, many feminists tended to write Marxism off completely as not having any substance whatsoever to contribute. Fortunately, feminism, like Marxism, has a variety of interpretations. Liberal feminists deduce the problems to a denial of equality within the existing society. Radical feminists recognize patriarchy as the root of their oppression and at times are given the label of being "anti-male" in their pursuits for alternative egalitarian ways of living separate and in opposition to male-dominated society. Neither of these movements accepted Marxism, or did on a very low level.

Given the limits of Marx and Engels and the above limits of liberal and radical feminists, an alternate was needed to bridge the gaps and in fact revitalize both Marxism and feminism. Here came along socialist feminism (sometimes referred to as Marxist feminism) to fill the void.

Nancy Holmstrom defines a socialist feminist as "anyone trying to understand women's subordination in a coherent and systematic way that integrates class and sex, as well as other aspects of identity such as race/ethnicity or sexual orientation, with the aim of using this analysis to help liberate women." [4] Furthermore, she states "all socialist feminists see class as central to women's lives, yet at the same time none would reduce sex or race oppression to economic exploitation." [5]

In fact, this can be traced back to the legacy of Zetkin and Kollontai who led this push within the worldwide socialist movement. Angela Y. Davis discusses the history and development of both the socialist and feminist movements within the United Stated in her book Women, Race and Class. Davis, like Holmstrom, criticizes the liberal and radical feminists for ignoring capitalism and she explicitly calls them out on their neglect of women of color. Holmstrom states the former criticism quite clearly: "Feminist theory that is lost in theoretical abstractions or that depreciates economic realities will be useless for this purpose. Feminism that speaks of women’s oppression and its injustice but fails to address capitalism will be of little help in ending women’s oppression. Marxism’s analysis of history, of capitalism, and of social change is certainly relevant to understanding these economic changes, but if its categories of analysis are understood in a gender- or race-neutral way it will be unable to do justice to them." [6] This has fundamentally when the error of mainstream feminism and continues today.

Not only has Marxism contributed class to feminism, it has also given feminists a dialectical and materialist approach to capitalism. In other words, Marxism has provided the tools to recognize alienation and commodification of women in capitalist society. Socialist feminist theorists have written about the alienation women face within reproduction and domestic labor. In addition, they have contributed to a critique of consumerism and the role of women as both consumer and product since women are commodified by sexuality and reproduction, whereas men are commodified by production.

Feminism has transformed Marxism; Marxism has transformed feminism. Feminism gained from a class analysis and an anti-capitalist perspective, while Marxism has gained from a gender, sex, sexuality and sex analysis and an anti-patriarchy perspective. These two important theories combine into socialist feminism and, for the most part, is the new wave of feminism and Marxism today in the United States. Within the American socialist movement you can witness this fusion in organizations such as the Socialist Party USA, the Freedom Socialist Party and Solidarity. The feminist movement also contains this fusion through the likes of Nancy Holmstrom, Angela Y. Davis, Naomi Klein, Barbara Ehrenreich and thousands of working class women.
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FOOTNOTES:
[1] bell hooks, Feminism is for Everybody (Cambridge, MA: South End Press, 2000), p. 1.
[2] Ronaldo Munck, "Unhappy Marriage: Marxism and Women," Marx @ 2000, p. 78-79.
[3] Friedrich Engels, The Condition of the Working Class in England (Stanford, CA: Stanford University Press, 1968), p. 164.
[4] Nancy Holmstrom, "The Socialist Feminist Project," Monthly Review, Vol. 54, No. 10 (March 2002), p. 38.
[5] Ibid., p. 39.
[6] Ibid., p. 39.

praxis1966
17th December 2003, 05:31
Hmmm... One post every 10 days. Please explain how you are a member of the community and why we should listen to you. While you're at it, explain to us how your posts are anything more than advertisements.

Edit: Why don't you explain to me the reasoning behind charging membership dues to your party (SPUSA)? I'm sure the membership would like to know. The only requirement of the legitamate parties in this country is registering as a membership with the local office of the supervisor of elections.

cormacobear
17th December 2003, 07:51
The class issue is a greater one solve one problem at a time. Although women tend to vote farther left than men..... perhaps those who read this should remember!!! And I'm afraid that the role of women in regards to reproduction, isn't going to change that's biology you can't blame men. And while I agree with equal access to jobs for women remember testoterone in leaving men with children

RedFW
17th December 2003, 08:53
The class issue is a greater one solve one problem at a time. Although women tend to vote farther left than men..... perhaps those who read this should remember!!! And I'm afraid that the role of women in regards to reproduction, isn't going to change that's biology you can't blame men. And while I agree with equal access to jobs for women remember testoterone in leaving men with children

Are women not included in 'the class issue'? Would you also argue that solving the problem of racism should come second to class? I see issues of sexism, racism, homophobia and class all working to maintain one another,propping one another up. I don't think it is possible to prioritise a list because your priorities are probably very differen from mine. The way you experience class or any of the other issues is different from my experience. To say one is more important than the other, should be dealt with first, is dismissing the way the others factor into the experiences of other people, into the way they experience class.

Of course, women are capable of reproduction, but I think the problem is reducing our role in society to nothing more than reproduction.

What exactly should we be remembering when leaving men with children? :unsure:

redstar2000
17th December 2003, 10:37
The class issue is a greater one; solve one problem at a time.

That won't work.

Why? Because while we can discuss class, gender, and race as "separate" entities, in the real world they are "entangled".

For example, if you want to attack the ruling class on a specific class issue and avoid mentioning gender or race, the consequence is to weaken dramatically both the force of your attack and the gain (if any) that may result.

There is little to be gained in securing a high "union-wage" for white male workers, if the path is left open to exploit female workers and people of color outside of the union contract.

The same is true of other issues as well. Reproductive freedom for women is really an issue for working class women...ruling class women have always had it.

A bit of thought on these matters will clearly reveal that in the real world you can't "solve one problem at a time".

As the old IWW pointed out nearly a century ago, an injury to one really is an injury to all.
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An aside: I don't understand this...


Hmmm... One post every 10 days. Please explain how you are a member of the community and why we should listen to you.

If someone makes one good post every 10 days, why should that "reflect" on their membership in the community?

There are individuals here who make many posts per day...of very dubious quality, to say the least.

I thought Weidt's post was a good one that made sensible statements.

We can't have "too many" of those.

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cormacobear
17th December 2003, 10:56
Race isn't an issue......!!!!! Race is only a right to heritage and culture when did I mention that???

cormacobear
17th December 2003, 11:14
Class is a sexles issue and has nothing to do with race. That's how they divide us....I will not participate in that. As far as a womens role that will always be a matter of discussion. Here in Canada women get 6 months paid leave and so does the father. Either can take a whole year or a portion there of. This seems fair.
However in regards to testosterone and children, Men have biologically A far easier switch on violence, it's not our fault as a whole,(you can't blame biology on us), women have far less testosterone ( the hormone that triggers rage) .

truthaddict11
17th December 2003, 11:52
what a foolish statement to say that men cant be left with children because of thier testosterone, my mother was the main abuser of me not my step-father who rarely hit me. Your statement is also defending people who inflict violence on women, such as rape, beatings ect, by saying "its not our fault".
and race is an issue since non-white working class men and women get less wages then then thier white conterparts.

RedFW
17th December 2003, 12:03
What truthaddict said.

And if rape is a virtue of testosterone, then most, if not all men would be rapists, right? Wouldn't all men be violent towards their children? All men may have testosterone, but it is obviously something else that is triggering violent behavior including rape because these are notthings all men have in common. And what about women with more testosterone than average among women, are these women likely to be child abusers and rapists?

Eastside Revolt
17th December 2003, 22:46
Originally posted by [email protected] 17 2003, 01:03 PM
What truthaddict said.

And if rape is a virtue of testosterone, then most, if not all men would be rapists, right? Wouldn't all men be violent towards their children? All men may have testosterone, but it is obviously something else that is triggering violent behavior including rape because these are notthings all men have in common. And what about women with more testosterone than average among women, are these women likely to be child abusers and rapists?


And what about women with more testosterone than average among women, are these women likely to be child abusers and rapists?

That's a good question I'm gonna look that up. :blink:

redstar2000
18th December 2003, 00:22
Class is a sexless issue and has nothing to do with race. That's how they divide us...

It is indeed "how they divide us" and the question for revolutionaries is how do we respond?.

Do we "accept" those divisions as "given" and move on in pursuit of our "special interests"?

Or do we consciously reject those divisions by structuring our struggles and demands in such a way as to smash those divisions?

It's not just a question of "ideology"...capitalism has evolved in such a way that the divisions are material. Therefore, they must be fought on material grounds.

Think about it. What would be the effect of a trade-union demonstration against police brutality toward African-American workers? What about a feminist demonstration in solidarity with female workers striking a large retail sales outlet? How about an African-American "civil rights" group defending a women's clinic?

I know this will sound "utopian"...I'm always accused of that. To whatever extent possible, however, I think this is what real revolutionaries ought to advocate.

I think the idea that class is "primary" is a valid observation...but, in the real world, capitalism is permeated with racism, misogyny, homophobia, nationalism, etc.

"Workers of the world, unite!" is just a slogan unless we actually attack what divides them.

And not just in words.

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Weidt
18th December 2003, 03:47
Originally posted by [email protected] 17 2003, 01:31 AM
Hmmm... One post every 10 days. Please explain how you are a member of the community and why we should listen to you. While you're at it, explain to us how your posts are anything more than advertisements.

Edit: Why don't you explain to me the reasoning behind charging membership dues to your party (SPUSA)? I'm sure the membership would like to know. The only requirement of the legitamate parties in this country is registering as a membership with the local office of the supervisor of elections.
A member of what community? This forum? Last I knew this was a public message board and therefore anyone interested in Che Guevara could post. More importantly, I would have to question why you and others spend so much time on an online forum that surely will not bring about the self-emancipation of the working class. In fact, it does not appear to me as though the vast majority on this forum even know Che's politics, nor have read his writings.

As to the membership dues of the Socialist Party, last I knew almost all parties and organizations have some kind of membership dues/fees. All you refer to is registering to vote, which is not membership, nor is it a national policy since here in Michigan you register to vote, but do not identify yourself with any party.

Weidt
18th December 2003, 03:57
Originally posted by [email protected] 17 2003, 03:51 AM
The class issue is a greater one solve one problem at a time. Although women tend to vote farther left than men..... perhaps those who read this should remember!!! And I'm afraid that the role of women in regards to reproduction, isn't going to change that's biology you can't blame men. And while I agree with equal access to jobs for women remember testoterone in leaving men with children
Well, I disagree with you outright. Class, sex, sexuality, race/ethnicity, etc. are all important and valid. Now, I would argue that one must first examine society by class, but then examine sex, sexuality, race, etc. within the classes to completely understand it. You cannot analysis women as a category since rich women and poor women have little in common, and, in fact, poor women have more in common with poor men. As such it is imperative to view women, blacks, queers, etc. within the context of their class. It all goes together.

Your comment about "reproduction" is unfounded and expresses your ignorance of socialist (Marxist) thought. Reproduction is meant in regards to economics and capitalism, not biology. (It would be foolish to demand biological equality since this is obviously unattainable; however, we must demand an end to sexism that devalues women's biology.) Reproduction, or reproductive labor, is the process by which women reproduce workers through child-bearing and child-rearing. Women manage children, the family and the household, which is the backbone of reproducing the capitalist system in a sense. Without the exploitation of women's reproductive labor the system would collapse... imagine a rapidly declining birth rate and/or a refusable to child-rearing; the system would be overwhelmed. And of course women's labor, reproductive and domestic (housework), is completely unpaid and exploited by capitalism and working men. In addition, many women are also wage laborers, so they have the addition of production to deal with. It is dual exploitation of their labor.

Jimmie Higgins
18th December 2003, 04:02
Originally posted by [email protected] 17 2003, 08:51 AM
The class issue is a greater one solve one problem at a time. Although women tend to vote farther left than men..... perhaps those who read this should remember!!! And I'm afraid that the role of women in regards to reproduction, isn't going to change that's biology you can't blame men. And while I agree with equal access to jobs for women remember testoterone in leaving men with children
Class is ultimately the thing, but there has to be class solidarity for the class to move forward, and so fighting for women's rights and homosexual rights and the rights of national minoreties is all part of fighting for class solidarity and ultimately essential for for working class rule.