Egyptian pyramids will possibly be destroyed

[Zostrianos]

And so it begins. I hope all the Egyptians who elected these bastards are happy :thumbdown::
http://www.meforum.org/3283/destroy-egypt-pyramids
According to several reports in the Arabic media, prominent Muslim clerics have begun to call for the demolition of Egypt's Great Pyramids—or, in the words of Saudi Sheikh Ali bin Said al-Rabi'i, those "symbols of paganism," which Egypt's Salafi party has long planned to cover with wax. Most recently, Bahrain's "Sheikh of Sunni Sheikhs" and President of National Unity, Abd al-Latif al-Mahmoud, called on Egypt's new president, Muhammad Morsi, to "destroy the Pyramids and accomplish what Amr bin al-As could not."
This is a reference to the Muslim Prophet Muhammad's companion, Amr bin al-As and his Arabian tribesmen, who invaded and conquered Egypt circa 641. Under al-As and subsequent Muslim rule, many Egyptian antiquities were destroyed as relics of infidelity. While most Western academics argue otherwise, according to early Muslim writers, the great Library of Alexandria itself—deemed a repository of pagan knowledge contradicting the Koran—was destroyed under bin al-As's reign and in compliance with Caliph Omar's command. However, while book-burning was a simple process in the 7th century, destroying the mountain-like pyramids and their guardian Sphinx was not—even though many early Muslim leaders certainly tried; by the time gunfire was invented, Egypt's Medieval Mamluk rulers even managed to "de-nose" the Sphinx during target practice (though popular legend naturally attributes it to a Westerner, Napoleon).
Now, however, as Bahrain's "Sheikh of Sheikhs" observes, and thanks to modern technology, the pyramids can be destroyed. The only question left is whether Egypt's Muslim Brotherhood president is "pious" enough—if he is willing to complete the Islamization process that started under the hands of Egypt's first Islamic conqueror.
Nor is such a course of action implausible. History is laden with examples of Muslims destroying their own pre-Islamic heritage—starting with Muhammad himself, who ransacked Arabia's Ka'ba temple, transforming it into a mosque.
Asking "What is it about Islam that so often turns its adherents against their own patrimony?" Daniel Pipes provides several examples, from Medieval Muslims in India destroying their forefathers' temples, to contemporary Muslims destroying their ancestors' heritage in Egypt, Iraq, Israel, Malaysia, and Tunisia. Currently, in what the International Criminal Court is describing as a possible "war crime," Islamic fanatics are destroying the ancient legacy of the city of Timbuktu in Mali—all to Islam's triumphant war cry, "Allahu Akbar!"
Much of this hate for their own pre-Islamic heritage is tied to the fact that, traditionally, Muslims do not identify with this or that nation, culture, or language, but only with the Islamic nation—the Umma. Accordingly, while many Egyptians—Muslims and non-Muslims alike—see themselves first and foremost as Egyptians, Islamists have no national identity, identifying only with Islam's "culture," based on the "sunna" of the prophet and Islam's language, Arabic. This sentiment was clearly reflected when the former leader of the Muslim Brotherhood, Muhammad Akef, recently declared "the hell with Egypt," indicating that the interests of his country are secondary to Islam's.
It is further telling that such calls are being made now—immediately after a Muslim Brotherhood member became Egypt's president. In fact, the same reports discussing the call to demolish the last of the Seven Wonders of the Word, also note that Egyptian Salafis are calling on Morsi to banish all Shias and Baha'is from Egypt.
In other words, Morsi's recent call to release the Blind Sheikh, a terrorist mastermind, from U.S. imprisonment, may be the tip of the iceberg in coming audacity. From calls to legalize Islamic sex-slave marriage to calls to institute "morality police" to calls to destroy Egypt's mountain-like monuments, under Muslim Brotherhood tutelage, the bottle has been uncorked, and the genie unleashed in Egypt.
Will all those international institutions, which make it a point to look the other way whenever human rights abuses are committed by Muslims, lest they appear "Islamophobic," at least take note now that the Great Pyramids appear to be next on Islam's hit list, or will the fact that Muslims are involved silence them once again—even as those most ancient symbols of human civilization are pummeled to the ground?

[Q]

Ugh. Reminds me of this crime:

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/f/f0/BigBuddha.jpg/428px-BigBuddha.jpg

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/c/c8/Bouddhas_de_B%C3%A2miy%C3%A2n_-_Aout_2005.jpg

[bad ideas actualised by alcohol]

Socialist revolution, now! Pleae?
I doubt they are going to take those things down though, that would mean less tourist money.
Although, you never know.

[Hexen]

The Muslim Practice of "Destroying Idolatry and Pray to Allah" is a sad excuse for destroying history and erasing a culture's identity i.e. cultural genocide at it's best.

Although it's unlikely it would happen since if you read the article it's Muslim Clerics who calling for the destruction which is like a Church in the U.S. is calling for whatever.

Well let's what happens....well if it does happen I could imagine the global outrage would be which would be catastrophic I would imagine...

[bcbm]

Asking "What is it about Islam that so often turns its adherents against their own patrimony?" Daniel Pipes provides several examples, from Medieval Muslims in India destroying their forefathers' temples, to contemporary Muslims destroying their ancestors' heritage in Egypt, Iraq, Israel, Malaysia, and Tunisia.like christians were very conscious of preserving their pagan history

and seriously check your source

'by Raymond Ibrahim
FrontPageMagazine.com (http://frontpagemag.com/2012/raymond-ibrahim/muslim-brotherhood-destroy-the-pyramids/)'

gee lets see whats on frontpagemagazine

http://c481901.r1.cf2.rackcdn.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/07/radical-left.jpghttp://c481901.r1.cf2.rackcdn.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/03/reagan.gif

hmm yeah seems not like this could be a sensationalist piece at all

edit:

and on the 'middle east forum:'

The Middle East Forum promotes American interests in the Middle East and protects the Constitutional order from Middle Eastern threats.

[Manic Impressive]

It won't happen, the article is another fear mongering piece of anti-islam propaganda.

[Zostrianos]

I hope that's all it is.

[Manic Impressive]

I fell for one of those a few months back, got all like ZOMG!!! turned out to be bullshit. much embarrassment ensued :o

[Sasha]

Lol, thats even better than the necrophelia hoax of last time... people really have no idea what the MB stands for, seriously the MB is a beacon of progressiveness compared to American evangelicals and they will in all likelyhood take out the salafist opposition soon enough (and if not the country would decent in civilwar between the copts and the salafi way before anyone has time to lay a finger on the pyramids).
Besides everyone in Egypt understands that its tourism that brings in the bucks, like the iranians they are very proud of their history.
Scaremongering with what happened in Afghanistan and now in mali, obvious hoax is obvious..

[hatzel]

They won't even need to destroy them because the fact that they're volcanoes (http://www.jadaliyya.com/pages/index/6463/symbolism-in-peril) will probably take care of that soon enough...BOOM!!!

[Yuppie Grinder]

That sucks. Pyramids are spooky and rad.
I doubt they'll go through with it because the tourism the pyramids attract must be a massive source of income for Egypt.

[human strike]

You know what's a great word? 'Iconoclasm.'

[Tim Cornelis]

This is a confirmed hoax.

[Ocean Seal]

"Learn more about David Horowitz"
-Front Page Magazine.

[cynicles]

Why would Egyptians listen to some kook from Saudi Arabia or Bahrain? Why would any of us listen to some kook like Daniel Pipes? The last statement in the article is hilarious when one considers the history of double standards most human rights organizations in favour of US foreign policy.

[maskerade]

like they could even destroy the pyramids if they tried...i very much doubt an intergalactic navigational system designed and built by space travelling aliens of much higher intellect than us would be destroyed so easily by mere humans. I mean, come on, the salafists don't even have a space program.

SOURCE: http://www.outerworlds.com/likeness/aliens/aliens.html

[Nox]

I hope the pyramids do get destroyed, they are ugly pieces of shit that spoil the view

[bad ideas actualised by alcohol]

I hope the pyramids do get destroyed, they are ugly pieces of shit that spoil the view

Yeah, I want to see that damn sand!

[Yuppie Grinder]

I hope the pyramids do get destroyed, they are ugly pieces of shit that spoil the view

What a silly thing to say.

[eric922]

Ugh. Reminds me of this crime:

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/f/f0/BigBuddha.jpg/428px-BigBuddha.jpg

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/c/c8/Bouddhas_de_B%C3%A2miy%C3%A2n_-_Aout_2005.jpg
Are those the caves where the Buddha statues used to be in Afghanistan before the Taliban blew them up?

[hatzel]

What a silly thing to say.

Is this a response to that particular comment or just to Nox in general?

[Firebrand]

Look at it this way, egypt is run by capitalists. Would any capitalist seriously destroy a major source of income. Religions on the whole modify their views to benefit the ruling class. Destroying major tourist attractions does not benefit the ruling class of a country dependent on tourism.
there are always fringe groups in any religion but the main powers of any religion serve the interests of the ruling class beyond any sense of religious purity.

When they don't you end up with Henry VIII

[Astarte]

Is this a response to that particular comment or just to Nox in general?

Its not silly to want to see the pyramids destroyed?

[Red Commissar]

like christians were very conscious of preserving their pagan history

and seriously check your source

'by Raymond Ibrahim
FrontPageMagazine.com (http://frontpagemag.com/2012/raymond-ibrahim/muslim-brotherhood-destroy-the-pyramids/)'

gee lets see whats on frontpagemagazine

http://c481901.r1.cf2.rackcdn.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/07/radical-left.jpghttp://c481901.r1.cf2.rackcdn.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/03/reagan.gif

hmm yeah seems not like this could be a sensationalist piece at all

edit:

and on the 'middle east forum:'


It won't happen, the article is another fear mongering piece of anti-islam propaganda.


Lol, thats even better than the necrophelia hoax of last time... people really have no idea what the MB stands for, seriously the MB is a beacon of progressiveness compared to American evangelicals and they will in all likelyhood take out the salafist opposition soon enough (and if not the country would decent in civilwar between the copts and the salafi way before anyone has time to lay a finger on the pyramids).
Besides everyone in Egypt understands that its tourism that brings in the bucks, like the iranians they are very proud of their history.
Scaremongering with what happened in Afghanistan and now in mali, obvious hoax is obvious..

Highlighting these posts because they are the truth. Note that when searching for this topic you tend to go back to evangelical forums, islamophobe havens (Jihad Watch), or random blogs. There's been no credible sources on this, and they all tie back to this piece by Raymond Ibrahim. Take a look at all those other sites and you'll see his obsession with taking soe random wackjob and then saying OH FUCK EGYPTS GOING TO DO THIS THIS IS WHY MUBARAK WAS IMPORTANT TO KEEP THOSE PESKY MUSLIMS IN CHECK

If you look at this sorry piece of an article you'll notice right away that:

A. Most of the links Ibrahim provides are to forums and small "news" sites. Only two seemed credible to me, but neither were related to the Pyramid claim. First was a link to an independent Egyptian newspaper covering (at least from Ibrahim's selective reading) a call by a wackjob to expel Shi'a and Sufi's from Egypt. The second was a CBS article over the Mali problems. They tend to be in Arabic, so it's dishonest and forces the inquisitive person to rely on Ibrahim's interpretation or a google translate if they don't know Arabic. Ibrahim also links to Daily Mail over a story by some idiot claiming a random wackjob wanted to "wax" the Pyramids and Jihadwatch to inform the user about someone... so yeah.

B. Only the first paragraph or two actually concern the Pyramid claim. Even reading that you realize that Ibrahim is taking A. the word of some random Saudi I've personally never heard of and expecting you to think this is something the government will actually do. He goes on after that on a long tirade against Islam and the Muslim Brotherhood that does not relate to the original topic beyond him trying to establish "OF COURSE THEY WOULD DO THIS". A considerable part of the article is just that- Ibrahim goes on about how "Muslims" have done done this in the past, seeing that only the moooslims have been unique in conquering and destroying previous cultures. Because you know, we have so much wealth of Aztec and Incan stuff here in the New World because they totally didn't destroy most of their stuff.

The funny thing is even the piece the OP chose to put says right off the bat that this "claim" is from the aformentioned Saudi. Again, never heard of him, but it's quite a stretch to say that he would have this influence on Egyptian politics! Anymore than a random wackjob in the States saying the government "should" do something outlandish.

C. Ibrahim links back to his own articles concerning mooooslims in Egypt, like what he calls "slave-marriage", sourced and written in much the same way. Again, most of his work consists of hackjobs against "Muslims" in the sense that he wants to portray the religion as an inherently destructive one and the enemy of "western" values of liberty. Right off the bat Ibrahim describes a visit to the Great Pyramids where he knows the impending doom once he years the muezzin calling for prayer! Because you know, Cairo has never had prayer calls in the past and this is certainly impending doom :rolleyes:

He also has a persecution complex it seems. He makes note that "WHILE WESTERN ACADEMICS SAY IT IS THIS WAY", which is a hallmark of islamophobe sites. Basically they feel that either some pervasive "political correctness" or intimidation (if not collaboration with the terrorists!) has caused an overly sympathetic view of mooooslims.

D. Again, as I mentioned before, searching up on this only leads back to evangelical sites, right-wing dumps, islamophobe havens, and blogs. They all link back to one another and typically it originates back to Ibrahim's own "research" and reporting if not directly linking to his article. It's generally a bad sign when, like I did, I had to google for some of the names of the people he dropped, like the random Saudi or the Bahraini sheikh, and only getting these sites again. Even when I wrote the names in other ways they are written in English, it goes back to these kind of site.

What makes me sad is people don't seem to check up on these things beyond just seeing the headline and running off with that. For starters, the author is a shit writer for a Horowitz rag so that should have been a red flag right away, and a simple cursory google search should have at least shown you what kinds of sites were picking up this "story".

Just another piece of sensationalized shit like the corpse law that was mentioned before.

[cynicles]

This may be hard to believe for some but most Egyptians aren't Wahhabiyya.

[Rafiq]

Interestingly odd, considering the fact that the Muslim Brotherhood are Imperialist dogs in Egypt, such an event will be the blame of American Imperialism, not for me, but for the millions of Egyptians who view the MB as such.

[Yuppie Grinder]

Is this a response to that particular comment or just to Nox in general?

the latter i guess

[Dennis the 'Bloody Peasant']

This is awful...my wife will find this especially abhorent as she loves ancient egyptian history and archeology (she winces and looks away whenever we watch Team America and the missile hits and destoys the pyramid, so fuck knows how she'd react to this :crying:)

[Yuppie Grinder]

This is awful...my wife will find this especially abhorent as she loves ancient egyptian history and archeology (she winces and looks away whenever we watch Team America and the missile hits and destoys the pyramid, so fuck knows how she'd react to this :crying:)

it's not actually happening bro you can relax

[Nox]

The pyramids should be demolished and they should be replaced with something productive like a man-made river

[Devrim]

I hope the pyramids do get destroyed, they are ugly pieces of shit that spoil the view


Yeah, I want to see that damn sand!

The pyramids aren't in the middle of the desert. They are on the edge of the city as this picture shows:

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/94/Giza-pyramids.JPG/800px-Giza-pyramids.JPG

I can imagine them putting some people off their golf:

http://www.cosmopolis.ch/images/cairo/mena_house/Golf_Course.jpg

Devrim

[eric922]

The pyramids should be demolished and they should be replaced with something productive like a man-made river
Why? They don't need a river, they are on the edge of a decent sized city which has it's own source of water. Furthermore, if there was a need for a river, I'm sure there are other places to create one without destroying thousand year old pieces of history and culture. I really don't understand your mindset on this, please explain to me why you think they should be destroyed.

[hatzel]

And bammmmm, Devrim just went and shattered the vaguely orientalist image of the pyramids alluded to in the link I slapped down on the first page...

[Tim Cornelis]

Why? They don't need a river, they are on the edge of a decent sized city which has it's own source of water. Furthermore, if there was a need for a river, I'm sure there are other places to create one without destroying thousand year old pieces of history and culture. I really don't understand your mindset on this, please explain to me why you think they should be destroyed.

I'm pretty sure that was a sarcastic remark aimed at the Great Man-Made River in Libya (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Great_Manmade_River) (known for being an "unproductive" wasteful project).

[eric922]

I'm pretty sure that was a sarcastic remark aimed at the Great Man-Made River in Libya (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Great_Manmade_River) (known for being an "unproductive" wasteful project).
Probably. My bad, I suck at getting sarcasm online.

[bad ideas actualised by alcohol]

The pyramids aren't in the middle of the desert. They are on the edge of the city as this picture shows:

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/94/Giza-pyramids.JPG/800px-Giza-pyramids.JPG

I can imagine them putting some people off their golf:

http://www.cosmopolis.ch/images/cairo/mena_house/Golf_Course.jpg

Devrim

Nobody will look to the city from the sand. So they ruin the view from the xity to the sand.

[Q]

Are those the caves where the Buddha statues used to be in Afghanistan before the Taliban blew them up?

Bingo.

[Nox]

Why? They don't need a river, they are on the edge of a decent sized city which has it's own source of water.

Ok, in that case they should bring those piece of shit pyramids down and replace them with housing

[hatzel]

Ok, in that case they should bring those piece of shit pyramids down and replace them with housing

But the pyramids are housing (for the spirits of old dead dudes or whatever)

[Rafiq]

Ok, in that case they should bring those piece of shit pyramids down and replace them with housing

So how does that solve your view problem?

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[#FF0000]

Ok, in that case they should bring those piece of shit pyramids down and replace them with housing

or how about we don't demolish the only one of the seven wonders of the ancient world that still exists

[Ele'ill]

pretty sure the pyramids are dropships

[cynicles]

Clearly you've never experienced the wonder that is the feet of the colossus!

[bcbm]

i hope they destroy them somebody has to take a stand against paganism

[Ravachol]

i hope they destroy them somebody has to take a stand against paganism

http://www.metalinjection.net/wp-content/uploads/2011/02/varg-vikernes.jpg

Oh you!

[Red Commissar]

Here's a bit about it in the "mainstream" media. I think it summarizes the issue here very well- indeed it is another case of a hoax gone wild. I guess this could provide an interesting example of how news can spread nowadays, regardless of their accuracy.

http://www.nytimes.com/2012/07/24/world/middleeast/in-egypt-rumor-of-pyramids-demise-proves-flimsy.html


July 23, 2012
Contrary to Gossip, Pyramids Have No Date With the Wrecking Ball
By ROD NORDLAND and MAYY EL SHEIKH

CAIRO — What’s this? Egypt’s new Islamist leaders want to raze the Great Pyramids, scratch away the images on the death masks of the pharaohs, maybe even wipe the grin off what is left of the face of the Sphinx?

Someone who reads a lot of right-wing blogs in the United States these days might be forgiven for thinking so, though there is no sign here that any such Islamist clamor to destroy the monuments of ancient Egypt has actually arisen.

The fear that it has, though, is a textbook example of how a rumor, especially about a place as tumultuous as Egypt these days, can take on a life of its own — fed by a kernel of fact, a dash of Twitter, and a convenient coincidence or two.

The claim that radical Islamists had, in the name of the Muslim aversion to artifacts of paganism, asked President Mohamed Morsi to have the pyramids torn down apparently began with a June 30 item in Rose el-Youssef, an Egyptian magazine that for years was a mouthpiece for Hosni Mubarak, Mr. Morsi’s ousted predecessor.

The magazine quoted a prominent Bahraini sheik, Abdellatif al-Mahmoud, as demanding in a Twitter posting on June 24 that Mr. Morsi “accomplish what the Sahabi Amir bin al-As could not” and destroy the “idolatrous” pyramids. The allusion was to a companion of the Prophet Muhammad who went on to conquer Egypt, although scholars of Islam say he never even tried to take down the pyramids.

By July 12, someone claiming to be the Bahraini sheik had repudiated the Twitter posting as a hoax, saying that a faked screen shot had been published to make it look as if the sheik had posted the message. “This tweet hasn’t been written by me, and the traitors have fabricated it through Photoshop to distort my image,” said Sheik Mahmoud — or at least, said the user @amahmood2011 professing to be Sheik Mahmoud.

However, if @amahmood2011 really is Bahrain’s leading Sunni cleric, some of his Twitter postings are a bit peculiar, like the one suggesting that he had seen the Prophet in a dream and was given permission to shake women’s hands.

The biographical description accompanying that Twitter feed notes, in Arabic, that it is the sheik’s “Official Barody Account,” which sounds like a faulty transliteration of the English word parody.

The real Sheik Mahmoud could not be reached for comment.

None of that nebulous sourcing did anything to tamp down the steam sizzling from online reports that began appearing this month, most of them quoting one another rather than an original source, warning that the Islamists wanted to finally finish the job that the Islamic conqueror of Egypt had started (although he hadn’t), and that President Morsi was doing nothing about it (which he wasn’t).

“The things Americans say show us they are crazy,” Abdel Halim Nur el-Din, an Egyptian professor of antiquities and former chairman of the country’s Supreme Council of Antiquities, said in an interview.

One posting on a blog called American Thinker said, “It should surprise no one that the fanatics want to blow up 5,500-year-old monuments to the genius of man,” thus introducing high explosives into the narrative.

The magazine Commentary was more restrained, but worried, “That such a fringe and wacky idea gains any voice in Arabic media or on Islamist Web sites should be cause for concern, given precedent.”

The obvious antecedent was the recent destruction of ancient monuments in Timbuktu by extremist Islamists who had taken over northern Mali and deemed them un-Islamic. The Taliban’s destruction in 2001 of 1,500-year-old statues of the Buddha carved into a cliff in central Afghanistan was also brought to mind. But for the most part, the pyramid story gained traction only in a relatively few outlets.

There was an Egyptian television talk show that mentioned it, but only to denounce a Saudi sheik, Ali Al Rabieei, who had been quoted in an early report as a would-be destroyer of pyramids. The sheik not only repudiated the remarks attributed to him, but also offered a reward to anyone who could tell him who had made the remarks in his name, using what he said were two phony Twitter accounts.

“These stories are cheap acts aimed at hurting Egypt and its image, and Mr. Morsi as well,” said Mr. Nur el-Din, the antiquities professor. He said Mr. Morsi had reassured Egypt’s tourism officials that the country’s antiquities were in no danger from the new government.

Still, the flames were fanned by intemperate statements from some Salafis, as Egypt’s hard-line Islamists are called. The Salafis have shown considerable political muscle: their presidential candidate won 25 percent of the vote in the first round, and then they backed Mr. Morsi, the candidate supported by the Muslim Brotherhood, in the runoff. They are much more conservative in their views than the Brotherhood, and scorn all works of art representing the human form because such works suggest an alternative to the perfection of God.

In January 2011, the spokesman for the Salafi Preaching Movement, Sheik Abdel Moneim el-Shahat, said the question of Egypt’s antiquities was simply a theological problem, and he suggested a compromise: Cover the heads of ancient Egyptian statues in wax. This would leave them visible, but would technically “obliterate” the faces. “I’ll do something that combines religious adherence and leaving antiquities as historic monuments,” he said on a television program.

Then last August, Sheik Shahat was asked to explain the difference between his plan and the Taliban’s destruction of the ancient Buddhas, which he pointedly refrained from criticizing.

“The Taliban was in power at the time,” he said, whereas the Salafis in Egypt are not. A video of that exchange was posted on YouTube.

Younis Makhyon, a senior member of the Salafi Nour Party, said that no one from the group had ever suggested pyramidicide. “These allegations have no foundation whatsoever and no basis in reality,” Mr. Makhyon said. “They are part of an attempt to turn Islamists into scarecrows and frighten the world about them.”

On July 20, the story gained life with a commentary on Newsday’s Web site by Joel Brinkley, a professor at Stanford University and a former correspondent for The New York Times.

“Morsi has been Egypt’s president for less than a month, and already senior clerics in his country and around the Islamic world are loudly calling for the demolition of the pyramids,” Mr. Brinkley wrote.

“Morsi has had nothing to say about this, not a word,” he added.

Ahmed Sobeai, a spokesman for the Freedom and Justice Party, the Muslim Brotherhood’s political party, responded, “Dr. Morsi cannot respond to something that hasn’t happened.” Mr. Sobeai called the whole affair “an attempt to fabricate a crisis from an illusion.”

The pyramids, he said, are safe.


Amusingly, the wingnut (one Raymond Ibrahim) that wrote this original piece for Front Page Magazine claims that this is infact an attempt to discredit him by the Muslim propaganda machine, and once again the west is ignoring the threat of them crazy Muslims by not hearing him raise this alarm.