Seperating the Bible and History....

[Hexen]

Today I talked to someone who is the very same Jewish person I mentioned in my "Origin of Slaves" thread which not only did he believed that the "Jews were the first recorded slaves" but he also believed that the 10 plagues really did happen and he claims there is "Evidence" for it but the part I tried to explain that the Bible is pure mythology which shouldn't be used as a history book but he argues otherwise that there's "Alot of History in the Bible".

Of course another person I talked in the past to which is my Dad although he agrees that the Bible is bullshit but believes in the Ancient Astronaut version of it which he says "it's only the logical thing" and he even believes that the Flood was "actually talking about the Ice Age".

I find it infuriating that most people often blend/weave the events of the Bible into actual History forgetting the fact that the Bible is pure 100% mythology, no different than Homer's Iliad and such, what with this? I guess another proof that Abrhahmic faiths especially Christianity are embedded into US society which they commonly secularized it into the modern world's paradigm (same thing with the Book of Revelations believers which is one person I knew who believed that computers or microchips is the 'mark of the beast' or some shit like that and even believes in the Anti-Christ) but it's still Christianity nonetheless.

People need to learn to separate mythology and history apart from each other.

[Zostrianos]

The Bible isn't entirely fictional, it's a mix of myth with actual historical facts. the challenge is to separate what's true from what's not.
As for slaves, the Bible itself condones and encourages slavery.
I don't doubt that the story of the 10 plagues may have had its origins with actual disasters that took place in the region. Biblical writers tended to see God's hand in everything that happened.

[Zostrianos]

There is. The Bible recounts the Babylonian exile, the lives of the various Israelite and Judean kings, the Persian conquest, etc.; all historical events that have been verified. These are peppered with fiction, but the more recent the Biblical texts, the more historically reliable they are.

[Revolution starts with U]

From what I understand, Egyptian successors were keen to point out any and all mistakes made under their predecessors. If this is true, one would expect to see some reference to the death of every first born child, along with the other plagues, and the escape of millions of slaves (or even the emigration of anybody).

I think the general consensus these days among Biblical archaeologists are that the Jewish people are a wholly indigenous tribe of Canaanites. There is not a scrap of evidence for them being in Egypt at any time in any meaningful numbers.

[Comrade Samuel]

Or otherwise one comes to realize that is there is no 'mixture' of myth and historical facts after all. The entire thing is fictional and bunk which should be treated the same way we do with Homer's Iliad today.

But the Iliad was a mixture of historical fact and myth was it not?

[Hexen]

But the Iliad was a mixture of historical fact and myth was it not?

Oh......well it did record the history of the Invasion of Troy.

[MuscularTophFan]

The bible is the biggest pile of steaming bullshit on earth. Everything in the bible has been debunked by actual history. The bible should be in the same category as Mein Kampf. I'm still pissed off my parents took a biblical name(Jared) and gave it to me.

The bible supports murdering homosexuals, slavery, antisemitism, subjugation of women, etc.

I'm an atheist in that I don't believe in any god/gods/afterlife/other religious bullshit. When you die you cease to exist forever just like before you where born. Quite believing in fairy tales that promise some fairy tale afterlife because you are simply scared of death. It's as simple as that.

[Hexen]

I'm an atheist in that I don't believe in any god/gods/afterlife/other religious bullshit. When you die you cease to exist forever just like before you where born. Quite believing in fairy tales that promise some fairy tale afterlife because you are simply scared of death. It's as simple as that.

This is the part I actually disagree about atheism is the "nothing after death or cease of existence" part which first of all there is no empirical proof of that and also no one really knows what happens after you die or even before when you were born.

With the point being there is no such thing as "nothing" which there is always something. Although it's not the biblical heaven or hell (well actually "Hell" came into much later in Christianity due to integration of Norse mythology which "Hel" was a Norse Underworld Goddess) either that's for sure but something else...

[MuscularTophFan]

This is the part I actually disagree about atheism is the "nothing after death or cease of existence" part which first of all there is no empirical proof of that and also no one really knows what happens after you die or even before when you were born.

With the point being there is no such thing as "nothing" which there is always something since there is no beginning or end.
When our brain goes so what our conciseness and all our memories with us. Remember the 1850s? Back when you me and everyone else on Revleft ever existed? That's what it's gonna be like after we die.

That's why before I die I'm gonna fuck as much as possible. I masturbate three or four times a day.

[rylasasin]

The bible is the biggest pile of steaming bullshit on earth. Everything in the bible has been debunked by actual history. The bible should be in the same category as Mein Kampf. I'm still pissed off my parents took a biblical name(Jared) and gave it to me.

At least they didn't stick you with something that means "Christ Bearer" (christopher)

[Hexen]

When our brain goes so what our conciseness and all our memories with us. Remember the 1850s? Back when you me and everyone else on Revleft ever existed? That's what it's gonna be like after we die.

That's why before I die I'm gonna fuck as much as possible. I masturbate three or four times a day.

I notice that your behavior is similar to that of a teenager.

There is no empirical proof that "nothing" happens after you die when the brain goes out since we don't actually experience it until it happens.

[bad ideas actualised by alcohol]

When our brain goes so what our conciseness and all our memories with us. Remember the 1850s? Back when you me and everyone else on Revleft ever existed? That's what it's gonna be like after we die.

That's why before I die I'm gonna fuck as much as possible. I masturbate three or four times a day.

The fuck...?

[Zostrianos]

Point being there is no empirical proof that "nothing" happens after you die when the brain goes out since we don't actually experience it until it happens.

THere are some very interesting studies of near death experiences where people who were brain dead still had visions. Dr. Pim Van Lommel published his research on that in the Lancet a few years back:
http://www.skepticalinvestigations.org/Mediaskeptics/vanLommel.html
http://www.pimvanlommel.nl/?Endless_consciousness

Van Lommel writes that according to our current medical concepts it is not possible to experience consciousness during a cardiac arrest, when circulation and breathing have ceased. But during the period of unconsciousness due to a life-threatening crisis like cardiac arrest patients may report the paradoxical occurrence of enhanced consciousness experienced in a dimension without our conventional concept of time and space, with cognitive functions, with emotions, with self-identity, with memories from early childhood and sometimes with (extra-sensory) perception out and above their lifeless body. In four prospective studies with a total of 562 survivors of cardiac arrest between 11% and 18% of the patients reported a near-death experience, and in these studies it could not be shown that physiological, psychological, pharmacological or demographic factors could explain the cause and content of these experiences.

[Manic Impressive]

Almost all historical accounts of that time are written from a purely subjective view most of the time with political motives. Certainly in Greece and Rome, you can't take any of the accounts at face value it's only when the same thing shows up in different accounts can you start taking it seriously. Also the thing with the bible is that it's been re-written 3 times? more or less, can't remember.
Actually it's not so different than now just look how many different historical interpretations of the soviet union there are.

[Azraella]

As for slaves, the Bible itself condones and encourages slavery.


This is not the entire truth. The Bible as is, is not consistent on the topic of slavery

Depending on what part of the Bible you might actually be reading advice to slaves on how to act towards their masters, how masters were supposed to treat their slaves, or discusses the culture of the time. In all of Paul's 13 letters he seems to have differing opinons about slaves. In Galatians for example he seems to think that if you are Christian you are equal to your Christian brothers and sisters, in Titus he says that slaves were to submit to their masters. Philemon he asks that Philemon releases his slave Onemisiius because their both Christian. In other letters he asks that masters treat their slaves well. I also think that Christian Jews would have seen submission in a different light.

[Lenina Rosenweg]

Three of the "books" of the "gospel" Matthew, Mark and Luke are believed to have been derived from a single document, which people studying that cal the "Q Document". John came later. According to Elaine Pagels in The Gnostic Gospels there seems to have been a huge amount of politics in selecting exactly which books were made part of the canon. There were a huge number of "books" and texts floating around purporting to be accounts of Jesus and his followers.

Much of the Old Testament-Exodus especially, seems to have been rewritten and expanded as early Judaism evolved.Genesis has traces of an esarlier creation story in it.

There are traces of historical truth thoughout the bible, combined with Middle Eastern mythology, Greco-Roman paganism, and nationalism.

Its a fascinating topic. I am very far from being an expert in this. Karen Armstrong talks about this in some of her books. Karl Kautsky in Early Christianity talks about how the mythology evolved and Raoul Vaneigam in The Rebellion Against Christianity talks about how the myth of Jesus developed.

[Hit The North]

There is no empirical proof that "nothing" happens after you die when the brain goes out since we don't actually experience it until it happens.

Unless you believe in a soul, a sort of escape capsule of the self, that persists beyond death and decay and contains your memories and personality, then whatever happens, it doesn't happen to 'you'.

But science has a pretty good idea of what happens to you after death: you die, decay, get broken down into matter and reprocessed into something else. Atoms of you will be scattered and become part of the great unfinished recipe of life. Which is nice.

[cynicles]

If there is something after death I'm gunna be really pissed.

[eric922]

The bible is the biggest pile of steaming bullshit on earth. Everything in the bible has been debunked by actual history. The bible should be in the same category as Mein Kampf. I'm still pissed off my parents took a biblical name(Jared) and gave it to me.

The bible supports murdering homosexuals, slavery, antisemitism, subjugation of women, etc.

I'm an atheist in that I don't believe in any god/gods/afterlife/other religious bullshit. When you die you cease to exist forever just like before you where born. Quite believing in fairy tales that promise some fairy tale afterlife because you are simply scared of death. It's as simple as that.

You really have a very narrow view of spirituality if you think it is as simple as being motivated by a fear of death. Some people use spirituality as a way to make their own lives on earth better. In fact some religions are even partially built around that, Buddhism for instance. I don't have any fear of death, well not what comes after, though the act of dying could suck. To quote from the Kalama Sutta:


"'But if there is no world after death, if there is no fruit of actions rightly & wrongly done, then here in the present life I look after myself with ease — free from hostility, free from ill will, free from trouble.' This is the second assurance he acquires."

[eric922]

When talking about the Bible, it's important to remember that it wasn't assembled during Jesus's lifetime or that of his apostles. It wasn't until about 300 years later that what we call the "Bible" was created. There are numerous works that were banned from it, because they opposed Pauline Christianity that Rome had decided to support.

[Hexen]

What I basically meant in this thread that the events between the Bible and Material history should be separated for example the Mytholgical events of the Bible only exist within the Gregorian/Hebrew/Islamic calenders while the Materialist one exist in a more secular calender. Which for example.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2012


Gregorian calendar (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gregorian_calendar) 2012
MMXII Ab urbe condita (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ab_urbe_condita) 2765 Armenian calendar (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Armenian_calendar) 1461
ԹՎ ՌՆԿԱ Assyrian calendar (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Assyrian_calendar) 6762 Bahá'í calendar (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bah%C3%A1%27%C3%AD_calendar) 168–169 Bengali calendar (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bengali_calendar) 1419 Berber calendar (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Berber_calendar) 2962 British Regnal year (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Regnal_year) 60 Eliz. 2 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Elizabeth_II) – 61 Eliz. 2 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Elizabeth_II) Buddhist calendar (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Buddhist_calendar) 2556 Burmese calendar (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Traditional_Burmese_calendar) 1374 Byzantine calendar (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Byzantine_calendar) 7520–7521 Chinese calendar (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chinese_calendar) 辛卯 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sexagenary_cycle)年十二月初八日
(4648/4708-12-8)
— to —
壬辰 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sexagenary_cycle)年十一月十九日
(4649/4709-11-19) Coptic calendar (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Coptic_calendar) 1728–1729 Ethiopian calendar (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ethiopian_calendar) 2004–2005 Hebrew calendar (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hebrew_calendar) 5772–5773 Hindu calendars (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hindu_calendar)
- Vikram Samvat (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vikram_Samvat) 2068–2069 - Shaka Samvat (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Indian_national_calendar) 1934–1935 - Kali Yuga (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kali_Yuga) 5113–5114 Holocene calendar (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Holocene_calendar) 12012 Iranian calendar (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iranian_calendar) 1390–1391 Islamic calendar (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Islamic_calendar) 1433–1434 Japanese calendar (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Japanese_calendar) Heisei (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Heisei) 24
(平成24年) Julian calendar (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Julian_calendar) Gregorian minus 13 days Korean calendar (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Korean_calendar) 4345 Minguo calendar (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Minguo_calendar) ROC (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Republic_of_China) 101
民國101年 Thai solar calendar (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thai_solar_calendar) 2555 Unix time (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unix_time) 1325376000–1356998399 This box:

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Maybe I was wrong for calling Mythological events 'fictional' (of course this can be traced back to Greek Philosophy of "Mythos and Logos") let's say that reality is subjective and maybe time didn't run in a linear fashion during Ancient Times where different paradigms persisted and reality was more fluid until the Age of Enlightenment when reality became more solidified which it even somewhat 'changed' the past into a secular frame of time (or more like the secular materialist history became the 'official' timeframe while the others are pushed to the side sort to speak but still exist). Of course this is just a theory of course there maybe a Consensual Reality (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Consensus_reality) that exists today....It's just a possibility that Mage: The Ascension (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mage:_The_Ascension) might be similarly correct.

[Zostrianos]

This is not the entire truth. The Bible as is, is not consistent on the topic of slavery
Depending on what part of the Bible you might actually be reading advice to slaves on how to act towards their masters, how masters were supposed to treat their slaves, or discusses the culture of the time. In all of Paul's 13 letters he seems to have differing opinons about slaves. In Galatians for example he seems to think that if you are Christian you are equal to your Christian brothers and sisters, in Titus he says that slaves were to submit to their masters. Philemon he asks that Philemon releases his slave Onemisiius because their both Christian. In other letters he asks that masters treat their slaves well. I also think that Christian Jews would have seen submission in a different light.

It does condone obtaining slaves from foreigners:
As for the male and female slaves whom you may have, it is from the nations around you that you may acquire male and female slaves. 45You may also acquire them from among the aliens residing with you, and from their families that are with you, who have been born in your land; and they may be your property. 46You may keep them as a possession for your children after you, for them to inherit as property. These you may treat as slaves, but as for your fellow Israelites, no one shall rule over the other with harshness. (Leviticus 25:44)

There's also this infamous injunction:
When you draw near to a town to fight against it, offer it terms of peace. 11If it accepts your terms of peace and surrenders to you, then all the people in it shall serve you in forced labour. 12If it does not submit to you peacefully, but makes war against you, then you shall besiege it; 13and when the Lord your God gives it into your hand, you shall put all its males to the sword. 14You may, however, take as your booty the women, the children, livestock, and everything else in the town, all its spoil. You may enjoy the spoil of your enemies, which the Lord your God has given you. (Deuteronomy 20)

[Azraella]

Eh, there's a lot of different interpretations of the Bible and not to mention a lot of it is parable.

I've met Christian anarchists that have sworn up and down that the Bible is a narrative of the anbiguity of God's power and will and that it really presents God's will as non-violent radicality while confronted with the reality of human sins. Then again there's people who agree with YEC so... yeah.

[Nox]

I recommend you watch Ancient Aliens. It explains that all the events in the bible were done by aliens, for example did you know Noah's Ark was an alien spaceship?!?!?!?!?!?!?!

[Lenina Rosenweg]

I recommend you watch Ancient Aliens. It explains that all the events in the bible were done by aliens,!

Raptor Jesus? At least that cable sub is good for something.


for example did you know Noah's Ark was an alien spaceship?!?!?!?!?!?!?

I thought this was common knowledge! Hey, I know my Von Daniken.

[Zostrianos]

There are indeed several esoteric interpretations that explain God’s harshness in the OT, but my favourite is the Gnostic one, i.e. the God of the old testament is a false, evil creator God, the Demiurge.

[Hexen]

I recommend you watch Ancient Aliens. It explains that all the events in the bible were done by aliens, for example did you know Noah's Ark was an alien spaceship?!?!?!?!?!?!?!

The Ancient Astronaut theory is pure bunk, since it basically rewrites Mythology into Science Fiction to satisfy the modern materialist paradigm.

[l'Enfermé]

Actually, most of the "history" in the Bible seems to be have been pure invention and much evidence has been surfacing recently to support this conclusion, the Illiad seems to be a far more reliable historical account and it's really not much of a reliable historical account.

[MuscularTophFan]

I notice that your behavior is similar to that of a teenager.
Yeah I'm a teenager because I don't believe in 2000 year old fairy tales.:laugh:


There is no empirical proof that "nothing" happens after you die when the brain goes out since we don't actually experience it until it happens.
Well I won't know considering I plan on living forever thanks to nanotechnology.

[Zostrianos]

The Ancient Astronaut theory is pure bunk, since it basically rewrites Mythology into Science Fiction to satisfy the modern materialist paradigm.

Some of the stuff about aliens and spaceships in the Bible, while implausible, is based on some very, very peculiar and strange Biblical texts. Take for instance the Vision of Ezekiel:

As I looked at the living creatures, I saw a wheel on the earth beside the living creatures, one for each of the four of them.* 16As for the appearance of the wheels and their construction: their appearance was like the gleaming of beryl; and the four had the same form, their construction being something like a wheel within a wheel. 17When they moved, they moved in any of the four directions without veering as they moved. 18Their rims were tall and awesome, for the rims of all four were full of eyes all round. 19When the living creatures moved, the wheels moved beside them; and when the living creatures rose from the earth, the wheels rose. 20Wherever the spirit would go, they went, and the wheels rose along with them; for the spirit of the living creatures was in the wheels. 21When they moved, the others moved; when they stopped, the others stopped; and when they rose from the earth, the wheels rose along with them; for the spirit of the living creatures was in the wheels. 22 Over the heads of the living creatures there was something like a dome, shining like crystal,* spread out above their heads. 23Under the dome their wings were stretched out straight, one towards another; and each of the creatures had two wings covering its body. 24When they moved, I heard the sound of their wings like the sound of mighty waters, like the thunder of the Almighty,* a sound of tumult like the sound of an army; when they stopped, they let down their wings. 25And there came a voice from above the dome over their heads; when they stopped, they let down their wings.
26 And above the dome over their heads there was something like a throne, in appearance like sapphire;* and seated above the likeness of a throne was something that seemed like a human form. 27Upwards from what appeared like the loins I saw something like gleaming amber, something that looked like fire enclosed all round; and downwards from what looked like the loins I saw something that looked like fire, and there was a splendour all round. 28Like the bow in a cloud on a rainy day, such was the appearance of the splendour all round. This was the appearance of the likeness of the glory of the Lord. (Ezekiel 1 (http://bible.oremus.org/?passage=Ezekiel+1))


It almost sounds like he's describing some kind of flying machine, with the thunderous sound being some kind of engine. I'm not saying that's what was actually meant, but I can understand how many people, reading stuff like this, could come to the conclusion that there were ancient aliens.

[Permanent Revolutionary]

Some of the stuff about aliens and spaceships in the Bible, while implausible, is based on some very, very peculiar and strange Biblical texts. Take for instance the Vision of Ezekiel:

As I looked at the living creatures, I saw a wheel on the earth beside the living creatures, one for each of the four of them.* 16As for the appearance of the wheels and their construction: their appearance was like the gleaming of beryl; and the four had the same form, their construction being something like a wheel within a wheel. 17When they moved, they moved in any of the four directions without veering as they moved. 18Their rims were tall and awesome, for the rims of all four were full of eyes all round. 19When the living creatures moved, the wheels moved beside them; and when the living creatures rose from the earth, the wheels rose. 20Wherever the spirit would go, they went, and the wheels rose along with them; for the spirit of the living creatures was in the wheels. 21When they moved, the others moved; when they stopped, the others stopped; and when they rose from the earth, the wheels rose along with them; for the spirit of the living creatures was in the wheels. 22 Over the heads of the living creatures there was something like a dome, shining like crystal,* spread out above their heads. 23Under the dome their wings were stretched out straight, one towards another; and each of the creatures had two wings covering its body. 24When they moved, I heard the sound of their wings like the sound of mighty waters, like the thunder of the Almighty,* a sound of tumult like the sound of an army; when they stopped, they let down their wings. 25And there came a voice from above the dome over their heads; when they stopped, they let down their wings.
26 And above the dome over their heads there was something like a throne, in appearance like sapphire;* and seated above the likeness of a throne was something that seemed like a human form. 27Upwards from what appeared like the loins I saw something like gleaming amber, something that looked like fire enclosed all round; and downwards from what looked like the loins I saw something that looked like fire, and there was a splendour all round. 28Like the bow in a cloud on a rainy day, such was the appearance of the splendour all round. This was the appearance of the likeness of the glory of the Lord. (Ezekiel 1 (http://bible.oremus.org/?passage=Ezekiel+1))


It almost sounds like he's describing some kind of flying machine, with the thunderous sound being some kind of engine. I'm not saying that's what was actually meant, but I can understand how many people, reading stuff like this, could come to the conclusion that there were ancient aliens.

There are a thousand ways to interpret that particular passage, as it is prophecy. Same thing goes for the Books of Daniel, Jeremiah and Revelation.

[hatzel]

Yeah I'm a teenager because I don't believe in 2000 year old fairy tales.:laugh:

No, you're a teenager because you just said "when you die there's nothing else therefore I'll spend my whole life jacking off." That kind of...reaction to an encroaching death certainly doesn't suggest you've come out of the other side of puberty yet, bud...

[Hexen]

Some of the stuff about aliens and spaceships in the Bible, while implausible, is based on some very, very peculiar and strange Biblical texts. Take for instance the Vision of Ezekiel:

As I looked at the living creatures, I saw a wheel on the earth beside the living creatures, one for each of the four of them.* 16As for the appearance of the wheels and their construction: their appearance was like the gleaming of beryl; and the four had the same form, their construction being something like a wheel within a wheel. 17When they moved, they moved in any of the four directions without veering as they moved. 18Their rims were tall and awesome, for the rims of all four were full of eyes all round. 19When the living creatures moved, the wheels moved beside them; and when the living creatures rose from the earth, the wheels rose. 20Wherever the spirit would go, they went, and the wheels rose along with them; for the spirit of the living creatures was in the wheels. 21When they moved, the others moved; when they stopped, the others stopped; and when they rose from the earth, the wheels rose along with them; for the spirit of the living creatures was in the wheels. 22 Over the heads of the living creatures there was something like a dome, shining like crystal,* spread out above their heads. 23Under the dome their wings were stretched out straight, one towards another; and each of the creatures had two wings covering its body. 24When they moved, I heard the sound of their wings like the sound of mighty waters, like the thunder of the Almighty,* a sound of tumult like the sound of an army; when they stopped, they let down their wings. 25And there came a voice from above the dome over their heads; when they stopped, they let down their wings.
26 And above the dome over their heads there was something like a throne, in appearance like sapphire;* and seated above the likeness of a throne was something that seemed like a human form. 27Upwards from what appeared like the loins I saw something like gleaming amber, something that looked like fire enclosed all round; and downwards from what looked like the loins I saw something that looked like fire, and there was a splendour all round. 28Like the bow in a cloud on a rainy day, such was the appearance of the splendour all round. This was the appearance of the likeness of the glory of the Lord. (Ezekiel 1 (http://bible.oremus.org/?passage=Ezekiel+1))


It almost sounds like he's describing some kind of flying machine, with the thunderous sound being some kind of engine. I'm not saying that's what was actually meant, but I can understand how many people, reading stuff like this, could come to the conclusion that there were ancient aliens.

Even though they're not, Calling them "Ancient Aliens" is actually misinterpreting and taking that passage out of context (or rewriting them to fit the modern paradigm) and they are exactly what they described within the Biblical paradigm context which reality works differently than the materialist paradigm world.

Point is you should separate the materialist and biblical paradigms because they're two separate things.

Of course I also forgot to tell you that the entire Ancient Astronaut theory came from H.P. Lovecraft's Cthulhu mythos (http://jcolavito.tripod.com/lostcivilizations/id1.html) (well actually the 'idea' came from a 1898 story called "Edison's Conquest of Mars (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Edison%27s_Conquest_of_Mars)" but it was really kicked off from Lovecraft). So the AA theory is still bunk.

[Lenina Rosenweg]

Ezekial's "vision" is probably a compilation of "prophecies" connected to Mesopotamian astrology.An interesting discussion of this

http://michaelsheiser.com/PaleoBabble/2008/08/ezekiels-vision-part-2/





I personally never had a problem understanding Ezekiel’s vision as it relates to astrology because I have always assumed it to be a case religiously fevered poetic license, and a competition between different sources ‘prophecy’. As with all politics, its always best not to name your competition outright, thereby unintentionally propagating it and potentially increasing its presumed validity.

As mentioned above, I think astrology is just another (major case) of human thought processes being projected as part of the underlying framework of any attempted imaging scheme involving circles and totalities (the Absolute). GWF Hegel has apparently either been influenced by the ‘astrological’-ness of reality , or he , like Ezekiel, would rather not call upon it by name. We can use the Babylonian contribution to the art to show how Hegel gets his ideas about dialectical relations , and even how Jacques Lacan uses this ” like a language” structure of unconscious to make Hegel’s dialectics into the tools of his Freudian-styled school of psychoanalysis. Here are a couple of images I made to show what is going on with these symbols at the idea level perceptions:




Carl Jung also wrote something about this.

[Red Rabbit]

The bible is the biggest pile of steaming bullshit on earth. Everything in the bible has been debunked by actual history. The bible should be in the same category as Mein Kampf. I'm still pissed off my parents took a biblical name(Jared) and gave it to me.

The bible supports murdering homosexuals, slavery, antisemitism, subjugation of women, etc.

I'm an atheist in that I don't believe in any god/gods/afterlife/other religious bullshit. When you die you cease to exist forever just like before you where born. Quite believing in fairy tales that promise some fairy tale afterlife because you are simply scared of death. It's as simple as that.


When our brain goes so what our conciseness and all our memories with us. Remember the 1850s? Back when you me and everyone else on Revleft ever existed? That's what it's gonna be like after we die.

That's why before I die I'm gonna fuck as much as possible. I masturbate three or four times a day.

Wow... You're a really, umm... special? person.