The liberal virus among communists

[Marx Communist]

It seems as if many so-called "communists" here are actually just raging liberal reactionaries that care more about gays, women, abortion, waving rainbow flags and censoring things they find offensive, and other unimportant things, rather than revolution, Marxism, etc.

They want to play the identity politics game and focus on a minority and exaggerate the importance of said minority, and then when someone suggests a different course of action, they throw a tantrum.

Feminism is reactionary, the gay rights movement is reactionary, they are bourgeois movements that keep people distracted from the real problem, class struggle.

Communists shouldn't waste their time on homosexuals entering into the arbitrary contract known as marriage, nor should they they waste their time censoring someone because they said a word that the pseudo-communists have deemed unacceptable and must be destroyed (eg. "****, faggot, pussy etc). A person who does such things is not a Marxist, but a liberal that prioritises the unimportant over class struggle.

[Os Cangaceiros]

The situation regarding minority populations and the struggles/grievances of said populations are an intergral part of "class struggle", though...same goes for women's issues.

[Brosa Luxemburg]

Okay, I agree with you on the censoring of certain words...and that's about it.

[Positivist]

Feminism is reactionary, the gay rights movement is reactionary, they are bourgeois movements that keep people distracted from the real problem, class struggle.
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Here is the flaw in your logic. These "minority" movements are imperative to class struggle.

[Ocean Seal]

You make me ashamed to use the word liberal as an insult. Anyway you're a reductionist, a troll, and a reactionary if you genuinely advocate the shit that you're throwing out there.

[Conscript]

Here is the flaw in your logic. These "minority" movements are imperative to class struggle.

No.

They're nice to be a good, socially progressive leftist and distinguish yourself from the disgusting social conservatives who try to divide the working class. But we're just fighting social chauvinism, not advancing the class struggle.

It's quite irritating when com parties just focus on identity politics rather than the class struggle, which is more economically-related, because that's all they can muster support behind, or something.

[Positivist]

No.

They're nice to be a good, socially progressive leftist and distinguish yourself from the disgusting social conservatives who try to divide the working class. But we're just fighting social chauvinism, not advancing the class struggle.

It's quite irritating when com parties just focus on identity politics rather than the class struggle, which is more economically-related, because that's all they can muster support behind, or something.

Right and the social chauvinism of the conservatives, as you have pointed out, divide the working class, meaning that fighting it strengthens the workers movement. A unified working class makes a strongers workers movement.

[Le Socialiste]

Last I checked, women, minorities, and the LGBTQ community were workers. Their struggles are doubly important however, as they face significant obstacles - like patriarchy, institutionalized racism, and homophobia/transphobia - making them (as others have already noted) an integral aspect of the wider class struggle. Dismissing their fight(s) as 'bourgeois' is fucking idiotic. It's not about 'identity politics', it's about recognizing the unique challenges facing specific segments of the working-class and solidifying that reality into the broader movement.

[The Douche]

You're right, in my opinion, the left is drowning in identity politics. But at the same time, I don't believe that you're really a communist, I think you're using a "critique" (really just an attack, not a critique) of identity politics to cover for being a reactionary dick, this is especially evidenced by your inability to differentiate between liberal political correctness and being a good human being who doesn't use alienating language which reinforces reactionary social systems.

You'll probably be banned within a week.

[Princess Luna]

It seems as if many so-called "communists" here are actually just raging liberal reactionaries that care more about gays, women, abortion, waving rainbow flags and censoring things they find offensive, and other unimportant things, rather than revolution, Marxism, etc.

They want to play the identity politics game and focus on a minority and exaggerate the importance of said minority, and then when someone suggests a different course of action, they throw a tantrum.

Feminism is reactionary, the gay rights movement is reactionary, they are bourgeois movements that keep people distracted from the real problem, class struggle.

Communists shouldn't waste their time on homosexuals entering into the arbitrary contract known as marriage, nor should they they waste their time censoring someone because they said a word that the pseudo-communists have deemed unacceptable and must be destroyed (eg. "****, faggot, pussy etc). A person who does such things is not a Marxist, but a liberal that prioritises the unimportant over class struggle.
fuck you

[roy]

lol @ 'discrimination is unimportant'

[Robocommie]

What's with these guys who show up, and within a few posts, they decide they are the Prophets of Marx and then begin to lay out exactly what it is a Marxist is and what Marxism is, and then in particular, that people on this site are the antithesis of it all?

I mean sure, a lot are trolls, but man.

[citizen of industry]

It seems as if many so-called "communists" here are actually just raging liberal reactionaries that care more about gays, women, abortion, waving rainbow flags and censoring things they find offensive, and other unimportant things, rather than revolution, Marxism, etc.

They want to play the identity politics game and focus on a minority and exaggerate the importance of said minority, and then when someone suggests a different course of action, they throw a tantrum.

Feminism is reactionary, the gay rights movement is reactionary, they are bourgeois movements that keep people distracted from the real problem, class struggle.

Communists shouldn't waste their time on homosexuals entering into the arbitrary contract known as marriage, nor should they they waste their time censoring someone because they said a word that the pseudo-communists have deemed unacceptable and must be destroyed (eg. "****, faggot, pussy etc). A person who does such things is not a Marxist, but a liberal that prioritises the unimportant over class struggle.

And I always thought it was the task of a Marxist to "trace political events back to the effects of what were, in the final analysis, economic causes." So you deny that discrimination against minorities, women and queers and its political expression do not have an economic root in capitalist society?

[passenger57]

hi there, I know that what leftists in the whole world should do is to unite forces to try to rise to government power either thru elections or thru another option. However in the mean time we should worry about those oppressed sectors like immigrants, native indians, women who are psychologically, morally, physically and economically abused, gays and lesbian movements, and even overweight people, elderly people and many other sectors of most countries of the world are oppressed. And it is the job of all compassionate, caring, loving, humanists to defend anybody out there in this world who is oppressed. We should be like the batman and robin, the protectors, the spidermen and supermen and the defender lawyers of the weak and oppressed


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It seems as if many so-called "communists" here are actually just raging liberal reactionaries that care more about gays, women, abortion, waving rainbow flags and censoring things they find offensive, and other unimportant things, rather than revolution, Marxism, etc.

They want to play the identity politics game and focus on a minority and exaggerate the importance of said minority, and then when someone suggests a different course of action, they throw a tantrum.

Feminism is reactionary, the gay rights movement is reactionary, they are bourgeois movements that keep people distracted from the real problem, class struggle.

Communists shouldn't waste their time on homosexuals entering into the arbitrary contract known as marriage, nor should they they waste their time censoring someone because they said a word that the pseudo-communists have deemed unacceptable and must be destroyed (eg. "****, faggot, pussy etc). A person who does such things is not a Marxist, but a liberal that prioritises the unimportant over class struggle.

[Martin Blank]

This whole thread is stuck on stupid. Thread closed.