Stand your gorund, Yes or No?

[milkmiku]

Quit a few people have no idea what so called "stand your ground" laws actually mean. So....

Here is my Specific state, Florida.

http://www.flsenate.gov/Laws/Statutes/2011/Chapter0776/All

And Wikipedia has them all.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stand-your-ground_law#United_States

If you took the time to read any of that, What do you think of the "stand your ground" laws.

[l'Enfermé]

I'm not from the United States, but I see nothing against these laws. Self-defense is a quite natural instinct.

[Blackscare]

It's a tricky situation, to be honest. I'm all for concealed carry and the right to own guns, I have a few of my own. But the "stand your ground" laws often really just equate to "last man standing" ie; if it's only me and you, alone, who get into an altercation, and I shoot you, the police really only have my testimony to go by and they'll probably be obliged to let me off if there's no other evidence to show the shooting was malicious. People have tried to use the stand your ground laws as cover for murders before, obviously (although some are astoundingly stupid in how they go about it, like this Guy).
(http://articles.boston.com/2012-06-14/news/32238448_1_birthday-party-texas-man-bad-neighbor)

[#FF0000]

Blackscare pretty much got it on the head which is why i said in the other thread it is basically a license for vigilantism. just say "i felt threatened" and you've got a chance of getting away with it.

[milkmiku]

It's a tricky situation, to be honest. I'm all for concealed carry and the right to own guns, I have a few of my own. But the "stand your ground" laws often really just equate to "last man standing" ie; if it's only me and you, alone, who get into an altercation, and I shoot you, the police really only have my testimony to go by and they'll probably be obliged to let me off if there's no other evidence to show the shooting was malicious. People have tried to use the stand your ground laws as cover for murders before, obviously (although some are astoundingly stupid in how they go about it, like this Guy).
(http://articles.boston.com/2012-06-14/news/32238448_1_birthday-party-texas-man-bad-neighbor)


Nice, a level headed response, I am impressed.

I agree, it is a very tricky situation. I, believe it or not, am against stand your ground out side of your home or vehicle for that reason. Killing should be the last resort, when all other option are exasperated. I do not however condone "being a good victim"

[campesino]

'stand your ground' laws and protections are a perfectly rational extension of private property.

[milkmiku]

'stand your ground' laws and protections are a perfectly rational extension of private property.

incorrect, You're thinking of "castle doctrine" stand your ground can apply when you are in a park, walking down the street, flying though the negative zone, ect ect.

Read the law, ect ect

[Dean]

Quit a few people have no idea what so called "stand your ground" laws actually mean. So....

Here is my Specific state, Florida.

http://www.flsenate.gov/Laws/Statutes/2011/Chapter0776/All

And Wikipedia has them all.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stand-your-ground_law#United_States

If you took the time to read any of that, What do you think of the "stand your ground" laws.

There is little in the basic premise that can be opposed by an honest person.

But this is a matter of public policy. When a killing is admitted to, there usually has to be strong evidence from the beginning if the state is going to choose not to charge the suspect. I'm actually not sure how this has any consequence for the Zimmerman case since self-defense is still a right; the issue is whether or not Zimmerman attacked Martin first, and his admission to following him makes it hard for him to honestly claim self-defense. Judicial consensus may have shifted, but I don't think Stand Your Ground will have significant impact on the case - though the case may affect SYG.

One thing the law may do is to shift the defining factor of blame to a "he said-she said" process, as Blackscare pointed out. This is a lot harder to prove in evidence so it may be much more open to abuse.

[NGNM85]

'Stand Your Ground' sucks. Beyond the fact that this is a blatant ploy by the gun industry, it has truly frightening social ramifications. As a result of these new laws, the number of 'Justifiable' homicides has jumped something like 25%. The Trayvvon Martin case is a perfect example of the chaos these laws create. The more states adopt these insane laws, the more people are going to get killed. I don't know about you guys, but I'm not too keen about giving redneck assholes the green light to shoot anyone they please, as long as they can construct a remotely plausible claim that they had reason to believe this person was some kind of threat to their liberty.

[Liberty]

Yes.