Fascism in Europe

[Workers-Control-Over-Prod]

The Spanish State is increasingly gaining streaks of fascist capital-state suppression of workers.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WlGPoJ7XnPE&feature=plcp


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Aufruf zum Antifaschistischen Widerstand!

[Vladimir Innit Lenin]

No! For the millionth time, Fascism is a particular political ideology. It is not mere authoritarianism. Fascism is a self-identifying political ideology, where political, social, economic (and moral/religious) authority is centralised until it is vested in one man, or mostly in one man.

An authoritarian state, even an incredibly authoritarian one, does not make the ruling government Fascist.

But yes I do agree that a lot of terrible things are happening in Europe and we must highlight them.

[Workers-Control-Over-Prod]

Really, i always thought Fascism was the Ruling Class supporting thugs that smash workers and workers organisations. At least that's what my grandfather told me....

[Book O'Dead]

No! For the millionth time, Fascism is a particular political ideology. It is not mere authoritarianism. Fascism is a self-identifying political ideology, where political, social, economic (and moral/religious) authority is centralised until it is vested in one man, or mostly in one man.

An authoritarian state, even an incredibly authoritarian one, does not make the ruling government Fascist.

But yes I do agree that a lot of terrible things are happening in Europe and we must highlight them.


You forgot to mention that fascism also includes as one of its main features the militarization of society.

[Comrades Unite!]

Yes, It's quite unpredictable whats gonna happen, it feels like the start of 20th century all over again.

Fascism is rising again,Communism is rising,Capitalism is falling and inequalities are at an all time high.
I live in Europe so I'm happy to be in a place that might be a topic of discussion in the future as a result of what will happen.

[Art Vandelay]

Yes, It's quite unpredictable whats gonna happen, it feels like the start of 20th century all over again.

Fascism is rising again,Communism is rising,Capitalism is falling and inequalities are at an all time high.
I live in Europe so I'm happy to be in a place that might be a topic of discussion in the future as a result of what will happen.

How can capitalism be failing if fascism is rising :confused:

[Book O'Dead]

How can capitalism be failing if fascism is rising :confused:

Karl Radek said that "Fascism is the iron hoop that contains the collapsing barrel of capitalism." Very accurate metaphor, if you ask me.

[Art Vandelay]

Karl Radek said that "Fascism is the iron hoop that contains the collapsing barrel of capitalism." Very accurate metaphor, if you ask me.

Fascism is a form capital takes in response to certain material conditions and crises. How fascism is rising while capitalism is failing, is beyond me, given the fact that it is merely a form of capitalism.

[Book O'Dead]

Fascism is a form capital takes in response to certain material conditions and crises. How fascism is rising while capitalism is failing, is beyond me, given the fact that it is merely a form of capitalism.

Now I think I understand your objection: As liberal capitalism declines fascism takes its place. Would that be more accurate to say?

[Art Vandelay]

Now I think I understand your objection: As liberal capitalism declines fascism takes its place. Would that be more accurate to say?

Indeed, fascism is liberal democracy in decay.

[Workers-Control-Over-Prod]

Indeed, fascism is liberal democracy in decay.

I was just telling this to someone that the ruling ideology of the Bourgeoisie has always been Liberalism, but when material reality disembowels this theory, the more reactionary part of the bourgeoisie gain ground, resulting in violent class rule.

[Art Vandelay]

I was just telling this to someone that the ruling ideology of the Bourgeoisie has always been Liberalism, but when material reality disembowels this theory, the more reactionary part of the bourgeoisie gain ground, resulting in violent class rule.

For example, post WWI Germany was in shambles and capitalism faced a very serious crises, ie: the German revolution, popular discontent, a dire economic situation etc. Fascism was simply capital's solution to the crises it was facing at that time, in those material conditions.

[Comrades Unite!]

I was talking about the Free Market,as you already know Fascism is a mixed economy, it still has it's share of anti-capitalism.

[Brosa Luxemburg]

I was talking about the Free Market,as you already know Fascism is a mixed economy, it still has it's share of anti-capitalism.

1. There is no such thing as a "mixed economy". Socialism and capitalism cannot exist side by side.

2. Fascism is not anti-capitalist. It is a form of capitalism.

[Comrades Unite!]

Yes there is such a thing as a Mixed Economy, it may be riddled with internal contradictions but that does not deny the fact it still exists and still can be used.

I never once said Fascism was completely Anti-Capitalist but they do have some elements that are against Capitalism, they often attack Finance Capitalism.

[Workers-Control-Over-Prod]

For example, post WWI Germany was in shambles and capitalism faced a very serious crises, ie: the German revolution, popular discontent, a dire economic situation etc. Fascism was simply capital's solution to the crises it was facing at that time, in those material conditions.

Yes, the Fascist organisations were directly sponsored and started by german capital. The 39,000 mercenary soldiers were paid for by the "Antibolschewistenfond" of german industrial capital to destroy the Soviet Republic of Bavaria and were told of the great jewish communist global conspiracy that they have to suppress. Those people of the mercenary "Freikorps" remained in right wing paramilitary organisations the whole time until Hitler, only changing their name from "Freikorps blablabla" to SA.

[Brosa Luxemburg]

Yes there is such a thing as a Mixed Economy, it may be riddled with internal contradictions but that does not deny the fact it still exists and still can be used.

Eh, no. A welfare state isn't a "mixed economy". It is still capitalist containing generalized commodity production, money as the general equivalent, wage labor, private property, the law of value, etc. Socialism is the negation of these and many other things. That is why there is no such thing as a mixed economy. Socialism isn't just nationalization and government programs.


I never once said Fascism was completely Anti-Capitalist

You said something along those lines, but whatever. As long as you know that fascism isn't anti-capitalist it really doesn't matter.

[Brosa Luxemburg]

Indeed, fascism is liberal democracy in decay.

Very well put! :thumbup:

[Permanent Revolutionary]

Of course a "mixed economy" can exist, but it has nothing to do with capitalism vs socialism. It only means that the private sector and the state both own major parts of the national industry, as can be seen in the Nordic countries, which are still capitalist countries.

The term "mixed economy" comes from the fact that one is mixing "market economy" and a "planned economy"

[Brosa Luxemburg]

The term "mixed economy" comes from the fact that one is mixing "market economy" and a "planned economy"

The mistake is people generally believe that a mixed economy to mean a mix between socialism and capitalism, which is nonsense.

[Positivist]

Fascism is a form capital takes in response to certain material conditions and crises. How fascism is rising while capitalism is failing, is beyond me, given the fact that it is merely a form of capitalism.

You settle your own dilemna in this response. "Fascism is a form capital takes in response to certain material conditions." Yes it is the response of capital to the specific material conditions of economic collapse and civil disobedience.

[Book O'Dead]

You settle your own dilemna in this response. "Fascism is a form capital takes in response to certain material conditions." Yes it is the response of capital to the specific material conditions of economic collapse and civil disobedience.

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