View Full Version : Why are socialists so focused on the middle east?
Blanquist
5th July 2012, 01:25
I read here that Lenin was industry-centric, he focused on Europe because it was the most developed region. Of course he cared about the colonies but he realized that they would not play a major role in the near term, they were of little importance.
Most western socialists are completly ignorant of Japan for example, the language, the economy, the history etc.
Yet they know every little detail about Palestine, Isreal, Iran etc.
An interesting fact. There are 24 countries that have Arabic as an official language, hundreds of millions of people speak it. Egypt alone has 80 million people. Some places are relatively wealthy, UAE, SA, Kuwait, Bahrain, etc.
Yet if you took all these countries together, their combined GDP would be a paltry 700billion $. That is - 5 times less than Japans!
I think western socialists are facing a profound crisis due to their ignorance.
electrostal
5th July 2012, 01:34
I read here that Lenin was industry-centric, he focused on Europe because it was the most developed region. Of course he cared about the colonies but he realized that they would not play a major role in the near term, they were of little importance.That's all completely false. In think that people came up with sufficient proof against this in that other thread.
Comrade Trollface
5th July 2012, 01:35
I read here that Lenin was industry-centric bla bla blaCool story bro. I read that he was actually a highly intelligent aubergine.
I probably know about as much about Japan as I do about the Middle East and some of the socialists I know are full-blown weebos. But maybe they're outliers.
Blanquist
5th July 2012, 01:38
Comrade Peng Shu-zi said that for the Latin-American revolution it's important for workers to take power in the big 3 economies, Brazil, Mexico and Argentina.
He said that it's absurd to think a country like Cuba could lead the world Revolution. And he was right, although so-called socialists took power in countries like Cuba, they did nothing to further the cause of global revolution.
Comrade Trollface
5th July 2012, 01:39
You sound like Marx on Russia.
Teacher
5th July 2012, 07:10
Cuba did a great deal to further world revolution.
That being said, I think people generally know more about the Middle East because it has been the main flashpoint of U.S. imperialist activities in the past few decades. However, I think that East Asia is going to be extremely important in the not-so-distant future and activists need to bone up (especially about China and Japan).
Book O'Dead
5th July 2012, 07:17
"Why are socialists so focused on the middle east?"
The whole world is focused on the middle east.
Book O'Dead
5th July 2012, 07:21
Comrade Peng Shu-zi said that for the Latin-American revolution it's important for workers to take power in the big 3 economies, Brazil, Mexico and Argentina.
He said that it's absurd to think a country like Cuba could lead the world Revolution. And he was right, although so-called socialists took power in countries like Cuba, they did nothing to further the cause of global revolution.
What do you want from Cuba? So far they've succeeded in holding back U.S. aggression and maintained their independence; for 50 years!.
Remember, Cuba is barely 90 miles from the U.S.
In my book they're fucking heroes!
Property Is Robbery
5th July 2012, 07:23
Israel is committing the most brutal atrocities daily that are currently happening in the world. Japan is just another capitalist nation. It commits crimes and injustices like any Capitalist government, but it doesn't commit genocide daily. That being said there is an active political struggle within Palestine that includes a decent sized Marxist revolutionary force. The biggest protests happening in Japan right now are against nuclear power, which is justified, however there is no mass movement of Japanese peoples against their oppressors like there is in Palestine.
You also mentioned Iran. The reason we are versed on this is quite simple and [I feel] pretty obvious. The U.S. (the largest capitalist-imperialist power in the world) & Israel (America's only uncritical supporter) have declared that they will soon start a war on a nation for developing nuclear weapons, something the CIA even denies.
Edit: Cuba did nothing to further global revolution? So they didn't send arms and aid to those seeking social revolution? Che didn't go to the Congo and Bolivia to further those revolutions? The South African Umkhonto we Sizwe didn't receive aid from Cuba? Hmm I guess I was wrong all these years in thinking that Cuba furthered socialism.
Comrade Samuel
5th July 2012, 07:39
Marxists are like news reporters: we focus on what's interesting and important.
Its not like we forget about the other places in the world just because things like conflict, revolution ect. are happening in the middle east, I'm certan there are many of who focus on the technological and economic advances that the all the nations of the far east are making and there are probably a few who speak the languages and are experts on the cultures as well.
My knowledge on both places is prety pathetic, I've always took more interest in what goes on in North America, Europe, Russia and North Africa.
Blanquist
5th July 2012, 07:52
Edit: Cuba did nothing to further global revolution? So they didn't send arms and aid to those seeking social revolution? Che didn't go to the Congo and Bolivia to further those revolutions? The South African Umkhonto we Sizwe didn't receive aid from Cuba? Hmm I guess I was wrong all these years in thinking that Cuba furthered socialism.
If that's the criteria then Colonel Gaddafi did more than any to further global socialist revolution/
Khalid
5th July 2012, 07:58
Focus is where media wants it to be. India is the second-most populous country in the world and an actual armed revoltion is being waged there at this very moment. Most western socialists know nothing about it.
Permanent Revolutionary
7th July 2012, 01:04
I would think that socialists have a tendency to focus on the middle-east and by proxy the Arab countries, because they have a great revolutionary potential. This was seen in the Arab Spring, which sadly wasn't socialist in nature.
individualist
7th July 2012, 02:53
You clearly have some thing for japan, whats up woth that?
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