Is Islamism Capitalist ?

[tradeunionsupporter]

Many Islamists say Islam is a Religion a Way of Life as well as a Economic System but my criticism of their Economic System is that it is based on Capitalism. Islamism seems to be a Rich or a Wealthy's Man/Capitalist's Ideology. Look at how Wealthy Bin Laden was as well as his Family are look how Wealthy the Saudi Royal Family is they have the Wealth from the Oil as well as Muammar Gaddafi the King of Jordan and Saddam Hussein among others and I can't say for sure but was and is the Taliban of Afghanistan Wealthy or Rich ? Under Sharia Law Economics Muslims pay Zakat which is only 2.5% every year on their wealth and or savings. Islam does have Sadaqah which is voluntary charity. While the Non Muslims pay a Tax called Jizya. Islam seems to support a Flat Tax not a Progressive Tax therefor my question to the Islamists is are you ok with Wealth/Income Inequality ? I don't use the term Islamic Fascism like Christopher Hitchens did but Islamism seems to be Right Wing to me. Some People say that the Right Wing Libertarians should love Somalia as well as Right Wing Republicans and Right Wing Conservatives they should love Somalia too they run and control and have power in Somalia. In Islam you can have 4 Wives but the Man must have the wealth to support the 4 Wives and the Children. Islam also supports Private Property and Private Ownership of the Means of Production. I am not posting this thread to bash Islam I am bashing the Islamist's Interpretation of Islam. From what I have heard Islamism also supports a fixed flat rate tax for Corporations.


Islamic economic jurisprudence

From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Islamist movements and authors generally describe an Islamic economic system as neither Socialist (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Socialism) nor Capitalist (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Capitalism), but as a "third way" with none of the drawbacks of the other two systems.[3] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Islamic_economic_jurisprudence#cite_note-allacademic.com-2)[4] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Islamic_economic_jurisprudence#cite_note-gemsofislamism.tripod.com-3)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Islamic_economic_jurisprudence


Fundamentals of Islamic Economic System By Dr. Muhammad Sharif Chaudhry (http://www.muslimtents.com/shaufi/author.htm)
CHAPTER 20
ISLAM AND OTHER ECONOMIC SYSTEMS


http://www.muslimtents.com/shaufi/b16/b16_20.htm

Debate: Sheikh Anjem Choudary & Dr Naseem on Shariah for UK part 5

Uploaded by almuhajiroun (http://www.youtube.com/user/almuhajiroun) on Dec 6, 2009

A recent debate that took place in December 2009, focusing on the implementation of Shariah in Britain. www.islam4uk.com (http://www.islam4uk.com)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kXVZJkz2C5o&feature=relmfu
Economic Mess and the Islamic Alternative http://www.islamicthinkers.com/index/images/M_images/pdf_button.png (javascript:void window.open('http://www.islamicthinkers.com/index/index2.php?option=com_content&do_pdf=1&id=708', 'win2', 'status=no,toolbar=no,scrollbars=yes,titlebar=no,m enubar=no,resizable=yes,width=640,height=480,direc tories=no,location=no');)http://www.islamicthinkers.com/index/images/M_images/printButton.png (javascript:void window.open('http://www.islamicthinkers.com/index/index2.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=708&Itemid=26&pop=1&page=0', 'win2', 'status=no,toolbar=no,scrollbars=yes,titlebar=no,m enubar=no,resizable=yes,width=640,height=480,direc tories=no,location=no');)http://www.islamicthinkers.com/index/images/M_images/emailButton.png (javascript:void window.open('http://www.islamicthinkers.com/index/index2.php?option=com_content&task=emailform&id=708', 'win2', 'status=no,toolbar=no,scrollbars=yes,titlebar=no,m enubar=no,resizable=yes,width=400,height=250,direc tories=no,location=no');)Thursday, 23 September 2010

Although certain stocks and inventories of companies are subject to the annual 2.5% zakat levy, punitive corporation tax and the dis-incentive of being taxed on the dividend payouts of company activity, which is also absent in the Islamic economy acts as a strong incentive to invest.

http://www.islamicthinkers.com/index/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=708&Itemid=26

Islamic Tax?
Islam has a completely different perspective on the economy and tax as the Islamic basis is different to that of capitalism. Fundamentally taxation in Islam and under the khilafah puts the emphasis of taxation on wealth rather than income. The Islamic taxation system does not tax income, but taxes wealth. This means that the average person will be left with more disposable income and will be liable for tax on whatever wealth is left at the end of the year. This will have a significant effect on the economy. If we take figures from the British economy, and incorporate them in an Islamic model we can demonstrate the effect of this. In 2007 the average UK salary is £23,244, and the tax burden on this salary is 34% (income tax and National insurance together), which is just under £8000. This alongside indirect taxation (that is taxation on spending rather than income) as well as council tax, road tax, sales tax and so forth mean that the real tax burden falls at closer to the 40-50% mark. This means that the average person in this country is losing between £10,000-12,000 to taxation.
In Islam although simplified, the wealth tax falls at 2.5%. This means that the within one year, the average person can save at is at least £10,000. This means that the average person will have an extra £700 to spend each month as he will not be taxed on his income. Taking into account that the total UK workforce is approx 31 million this means that the extra money flowing around the economy would be £240 billion, if the income was not taxed. Therefore two or three people could easily enter into a business contract to supply some of the demand in the economy for consumer or manufactured goods thereby creating more employment in the economy. The net effect of this is that it will increase demand for goods and services right across the economy which will generate an increase in trade and in turn an increase in wealth for businesses.
The main revenues of the khilafah are:
1. The different types of public property revenues
2. The properties of Zakat
3. Booties (Fai'),
4. Land Tax (Kharaj)
5. Head Tax (Jizya)

http://www.khilafah.com/index.php/the-khilafah/economy/6915-islam-and-taxation

In western capitalist countries their taxation penalises the poor and vulnerable in society. Clever accounting and offshore Swiss bank accounts ensure the rich in western societies can avoid paying the majority of taxes altogether. In the UK for example, the Queen is one of the richest people in Britain yet she pays no income tax, whereas a poor single mother or an old age pensioner must pay income tax. With regressive taxes like the sales taxes on goods and services these hurt the poor more than the rich since the tax rates are the same for both.

http://www.khilafah.com/index.php/the-khilafah/economy/3324-taxation-in-islam-wealth-tax

Laffer curve

From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Other historical precedents

An argument along similar lines has also been advocated by Ali ibn Abi Talib (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ali_Ibn_Abi_Talib), the first Shi'a Imam and fourth Caliph of the Islamic empire; in his letter to the Governor of Egypt, Malik al-Ashtar (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Malik_al-Ashtar). A careful reading of the quote below shows that he only argues for a decrease in taxes' reducing revenues, not for an optimal point where most revenues would be raised, thus missing the prototypical point of the Laffer curve. It does however imply that revenues might rise in time because of this reduction of taxes. He writes:

If the tax-payers complain to you of the heavy incidence to taxation, of any accidental calamity, of the vagaries of the monsoons, of the recession of the means of irrigation, of floods or destruction of their crops on account of excessive rainfall and if their complaints are true, then reduce their taxes. This reduction should be such that it provides them opportunities to improve their conditions and eases them of their troubles. Decrease in State-income due to such reasons should not depress you because the best investment for a ruler is to help his subjects at the time of their difficulties. They are the real wealth of a country and any investment on them even in the form of reduction of taxes, will be returned to the State in the shape of the prosperity of its cities and improvement of the country at large. At the same time you will be in a position to command and secure their love, respect and praises along with the revenues.
—Ali ibn Abi Talib, Nahj al-Balagha (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nahj_al-Balagha), Letter 53[citation needed (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Citation_needed)]


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Laffer_curve

[eric922]

Islamism as currently practiced is a capitalist form of government/ideology. However, keep in mind that Islam itself has nothing to do with capitalism since it was founded in tribal Arabia. I've heard of leftists Muslims who look to the Quran's commands about taking care of the poor as support for socialism, but honestly Islam (like all religions) will adapt to the current economic environment. In a socialist society, Islam would talk about how socialistic and progressive Mohammed was.

[tradeunionsupporter]

If I was a Muslim I would support Arab and or Islamic Socialism like the ideology that Gamal Abdel Nasser believed in. I have met Islamists who seem very Right Wing in their views on Economics. I have also met Muslims who support Wealth Equality Socialism or some kind of Wealth Equality therefor I don't say all Muslims think the sameway about anything let alone Economics.

Arab Socialist Union (Egypt)

From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

The Arab Socialist Union (Arabic (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arabic_language): الاتحاد الاشتراكى العربى‎, Al-Ittiḥād Al-Ištirākī Al-ʿArabī) was an Egyptian (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Egypt) political party (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Political_party) based on the principles of Nasserist (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nasserism) Arab socialism (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arab_socialism).[1] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arab_Socialist_Union_(Egypt)#cite_note-Egypt-0)

Emergence

The Arab Socialist Union was founded in Egypt (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Egypt) in December 1962 by Gamal Abdel Nasser (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gamal_Abdel_Nasser) as the country's sole political party (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Single-party_state). The ASU grew out of the Free Officers Movement (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Free_Officers_Movement) of the Egyptian Revolution of 1952 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Egyptian_Revolution_of_1952). The party's formation was just one part in Nasser's National Charter. The Charter set out an agenda of nationalisation (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nationalisation), agrarian reform (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Agrarian_reform), and constitutional reform (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Constitutional_reform), which formed the basis of ASU policy. The programme of nationalisation under Nasser saw seven billion Egyptian pounds (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Egyptian_pound) of private assets transferred into the public sector (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Public_sector). Banks, insurance companies, many large shipping companies, major heavy industries and major basic industries were converted to public control. Land reforms saw the maximum area of private land ownership successively reduced from 200 to 100 feddans (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Feddan). A 90% top rate of income tax (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Income_tax) was levied on income over ten thousand Egyptian pounds. Boards of directors were required to have a minimum number of workers, and workers and peasants were guaranteed at least half of the seats in the People's Assembly (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/People%27s_Assembly_of_Egypt). The Charter also saw a strong assertion of Arab nationalism (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arab_nationalism), within the context of historical Egyptian nationalism.[1] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arab_Socialist_Union_(Egypt)#cite_note-Egypt-0)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arab_Socialist_Union_(Egypt)

Socialism and Islam

From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Islamic socialism is a term coined by various Muslim (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Muslim) leaders to describe a more spiritual (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spirituality) form of socialism (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Socialism). Muslim socialists believe that the teachings of the Qur'an (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Qur%27an) and Muhammad (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Muhammad) — especially zakāt (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zak%C4%81t) — are compatible with principles of economic (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Economic_equality) and social equality (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Social_equality). They draw inspiration from the early Medinan welfare state (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Muhammad_in_Medina) established by Muhammad (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Muhammad) . Muslim socialists are generally not as open (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Openness_to_experience) than their western counterparts for, like Christian democrats (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christian_democracy), religion and the state are not considered separate. Muslim socialists found their roots in anti-imperialism (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anti-imperialism). Muslim socialist leaders believe in democracy and the derivation of legitimacy (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Legitimacy_(political)) from the public, as opposed to Islamic religious texts or claims to be Muhammad's successors.

History

Abū Dharr al-Ghifārī (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abu_Dharr_al-Ghifari), a Companion (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sahaba) of Prophet Muḥammad, is credited by many as a principal antecedent of Islamic socialism.[1] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Socialism_and_Islam#cite_note-0)[2] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Socialism_and_Islam#cite_note-1)[3] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Socialism_and_Islam#cite_note-2)[4] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Socialism_and_Islam#cite_note-3)[5] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Socialism_and_Islam#cite_note-4) He protested against the accumulation of wealth by the ruling class during ‘Uthmān (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Uthman_ibn_Affan)'s caliphate and urged the equitable redistribution of wealth (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Redistribution_of_wealth).
The first experimental Islamic commune was established during the Russian Revolution of 1917 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russian_Revolution_of_1917) as part of the Wäisi movement (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/W%C3%A4isi_movement), an early supporter of the Soviet (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Soviet) government. The Muslim Socialist Committee of Kazan (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Muslim_Socialist_Committee_of_Kazan) was also active at this time.[citation needed (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Citation_needed)]

Gaddafi's version

In the early 1970s, Muammar Gaddafi (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Muammar_Gaddafi), published his 'Islamic Socialism,' his version, fusing Islam, Arabism and Socialism, in the 'Green Book.'[6] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Socialism_and_Islam#cite_note-5)[7] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Socialism_and_Islam#cite_note-6)
Heavily influenced by pan-Arab Egyptian leader, G. Abdul Nasser (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nasser), the Green Book, was published in three parts (1975, 1977, 1978).[8] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Socialism_and_Islam#cite_note-7) The basis for The Islamic Legion.[9] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Socialism_and_Islam#cite_note-8) Gaddafi's former Mercenaries with its first mission, backing Uganda's Islamic dictator Idi Amin, later on pushing a racist Arabism ideology in the Sudan (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sudan).[10] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Socialism_and_Islam#cite_note-9) Charles Taylor (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Charles_Taylor_(Liberian_politician)) received military training in Libya (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Libya),[11] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Socialism_and_Islam#cite_note-10) as well as former Hezbollah (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hezbollah), and Sierra Leone (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sierra_Leone)'s RUF (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/RUF)'s general Bah, Charles Taylor (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Charles_Taylor_(Liberian_politician))'s personal confidant.[12] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Socialism_and_Islam#cite_note-11) The RUF (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/RUF) was influenced by Libyan leader Colonel Mu'ammar al-Qadhaff's amalgam of socialist-Islamic philosophies in his "Green Book."[13] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Socialism_and_Islam#cite_note-12)

Islamic Marxism

"Islamic Marxism" is a term that has been used to describe Ali Shariati (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ali_Shariati) (in Shariati and Marx: A Critique of an "Islamic" Critique of Marxism by Assef Bayat). It is also sometimes used in discussions of the 1979 Iranian Revolution (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iranian_Revolution), including parties such as the People's Mujahideen of Iran (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/People%27s_Mujahideen_of_Iran) (MEK), a designated terrorist organization by the United States (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States), Canada (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Canada), Iraq (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iraq), and the Islamic Republic of Iran (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iran) that advocates of overthrow of the latter. The MEK is now, however, claimed to be democratic and secular.[14] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Socialism_and_Islam#cite_note-13)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Socialism_and_Islam

Marxism and Religion

Written by Alan Woods Sunday, 22 July 2001

We have received quite a few e-mails from our subscribers asking about the attitude of Marxists to religion, relating not only to Marxism and Christianity, but also to Islam. For example, we have received several communications from sympathetic people who support liberation theology, in the Philippines. We are also in contact with groups who describe themselves as Islamic Marxists. This is clearly an interesting and important question, which deserves serious treatment. As an initial contribution, we are publishing an article by Alan Woods which is actually based on his replies to such letters.

http://www.marxist.com/marxism-religion-liberation-theology220701.htm

[Yuppie Grinder]

Like Christianity it is a highly adaptable ideology that has served more than one ruling class.
"Is Islam capitalist" is sort of a poorly-worded question.

[Book O'Dead]

Islam is a religion whose politics belong to Feudalism. It promotes an ideology that originates in the early Middle Ages.

[tradeunionsupporter]

http://news.google.com/newspapers?nid=1129&dat=19610721&id=RcdaAAAAIBAJ&sjid=NmwDAAAAIBAJ&pg=5028,4499908

[tradeunionsupporter]

This trend in economic thought already had been manifested in the expropriation of European businesses in Egypt after the Suez crisis of 1956 and by the subsequent expropriation by the state of certain banking interests. In July 1961 all remaining privately owned banks and insurance companies in the United Arab Republic were nationalized. This move was followed by decrees instituting a progressive income tax, rising to 90% on incomes exceeding £E10,000 in the Egyptian region; providing that 25% of the net profits earned by private corporations should be distributed among the employees of such firms; and setting limits on the numbers and salaries of corporate board directors.

http://astheysawit.info/7756-1961-united-arab-republic-egypt.html

[hatzel]

You've already had this thread a while ago and posted the same link to the same article and asked the same questions. Why do we have to go over it again?

[tradeunionsupporter]

Hatzel fuck off.

[tradeunionsupporter]

Hatzel you are a *****.

[tradeunionsupporter]

Hatzel you jew marxist.

[tradeunionsupporter]

Hatzel dumb kike.

[Yuppie Grinder]

Hatzel you jew marxist.

So was Marx.

[tradeunionsupporter]

Hatzel I hate you commies.

[bad ideas actualised by alcohol]

Someone is mad...

[tradeunionsupporter]

Hatzel Muslims/Islam hate you Commies I should know I embraced/accepted/joined/converted/reverted to Sunni Islam. I hate you Atheist Marxists trying to ally with us and our causes like Palestine ? I hate Communism. Im White American and Anglo Saxon English blood by the way we Muslims are not a race or all Arabs. You Godless Communists got your asses kicked in Afghanistan the Soviet Union lost get the fuck out of our Muslim lands. God bless the Mujahideen God bless the Taliban God bless Osama Bin Laden.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Soviet_war_in_Afghanistan

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/7883532.stm

http://www.historylearningsite.co.uk/russia_invasion_afghanistan.htm

[¿Que?]

HAHAHAHA, this is epic. Tradeunionsupporter, did someone hack into your account, or have you revealed you true face? You are so getting banned!

[bad ideas actualised by alcohol]

Hatzel Muslims/Islam hate you Commies I should know I converted to Sunni Islam. I hate you Atheist Marxists trying to ally with us and our causes like Palestine. I hate Communism. Im White American and Anglo Saxon English blood by the way we Muslims are not a race or all Arabs. You Godless Communists got your asses kicked in Afghanistan the Soviet Union lost get the fuck out of our Muslim lands. God bless the Mujahideen God bless the Taliban God bless Bin Laden.

How are you not banned?

[Per Levy]

oh no, the tradeunionsupporter bot broke.

[hatzel]

...the worst thing about this is that I'm not even a Marxist. Nor an atheist. False accusations everywhere...

:crying:

[Goblin]

I always knew he was a troll

[hatzel]

Kinda seems a bit silly to wait from November '09 to July '12, patiently biding your time...and then blow it all on what really wasn't even good flaming :laugh:

[¿Que?]

...the worst thing about this is that I'm not even a Marxist. Nor an atheist. False accusations everywhere...

:crying:
You must be a tomato then! Since a tomato is neither a marxist nor an atheirst, it's the only conclusion I can think of!!!!

[hatzel]

Actual photo of me right now:

http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_IHJwob3bgzk/S-oPvNE0oQI/AAAAAAAAAC8/Uu1IURNzOSQ/s1600/Angry+Tomato.jpg

[Yuppie Grinder]

tradeunionsupporter has always been an odd fellow. He's been here for three years and seems eager to learn about revolutionary leftism, only he's never explicitly identified as a leftist and never seems to actually learn anything.

[Revolutionair]

Yeah I remember seeing his first posts, seemed kinda off to me. But still he's probably a leftie or semi-leftie, either way he always wanted to learn about leftism.
The guy probably got 'hacked', as in had he had an easy password.

[Jimmie Higgins]

Someone is mad...What gave it away?

Was it this: "http://www.revleft.com/vb/images/icons/icon8.gif"

[Yuppie Grinder]

I dunno. He was just so mysterious and weird. Maybe he's always been a conservative Muslim and just hangs out here and posts a lot cuz he's a weirdo.

[hatzel]

Was it this: "http://www.revleft.com/vb/images/icons/icon8.gif"

Wait wait wait...he must be a tomato, too! TOMATO BUDDIES 4 LYF!!!

[Deicide]

OP is mentally ill.

[Tim Cornelis]

tradeunionsupporter has always been an odd fellow. He's been here for three years and seems eager to learn about revolutionary leftism, only he's never explicitly identified as a leftist and never seems to actually learn anything.

Indeed. After three years he still asks very basic questions you would ask in the first week of being here. Still oblivious of socialism.

Today, after being here three years he still asked:

"Is having a fire department police department/post office Socialism?"

[Jimmie Higgins]

Wait wait wait...he must be a tomato, too! TOMATO BUDDIES 4 LYF!!!Yeah but he's a self-hating tomato and tomato-holocaust denier. He tries to pass as an apple.

[Yuppie Grinder]

OP is mentally ill.

woah

[Jimmie Higgins]

I always knew he was a trollGoblins can smell em.:lol:

[Mass Grave Aesthetics]

Wait wait wait...he must be a tomato, too! TOMATO BUDDIES 4 LYF!!!


Yeah but he's a self-hating tomato and tomato-holocaust denier. He tries to pass as an apple.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wfm3_BMinhg

[Rafiq]

Islamism = Neoliberalism without Western Liberalism (Enslavement of Women, etc.)

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[electrostal]

Yes, Islamism is undoubtedly a particularly reactionary bourgeois ideology.

[Rafiq]

I think Hatzel made him snap.

What if Hatzel's post automatically made him decide to convert to Islam? Haha.. What a fucking useless poster he was, anyway.

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[Brosa Luxemburg]

That was hilarious.

[Deicide]

woah

It's rather obvious that he isn't a full shilling.

[hatzel]

That was hilarious.

It's even better for me because I get 'abuse' by PM, too! :tt1:

[bad ideas actualised by alcohol]

It's even better for me because I get 'abuse' by PM, too! :tt1:

I'm jealous!

[Le Libérer]

Hatzel you are a *****.

Hatzel you jew marxist.

Hatzel you jew marxist.


Hatzel dumb kike.

Quote Children of the Revolution /Quote
tradeunionsupporter- you are banned.

[Le Libérer]

Now that all the fun is over with, Thread Closed.