Drugs in your socialist kingdom

[Comrade Trollface]

UTOPIAN THINKING TIME! If you were the Reagent of your very own Monarcho-Communist state, what would your drug laws look like? And how would addicts be treated by the state?

Me, I'm smoking a bowl right now, so to each his own, right? Whats a communist party without drugs? Ahem. Policy! Policy? Yes. Encourage moderation and provide support for addicts and let only the drawbacks of addiction and other drug-related illness serve as a deterrent against unwise consumption. That has been by far the single greatest deterrent in every society that has heretofore existed anyway.

[Peoples' War]

UTOPIAN THINKING TIME! If you were the Reagent of your very own Monarcho-Communist state, what would your drug laws look like? And how would addicts be treated by the state?

Me, I'm smoking a bowl right now, so to each his own, right? Ahem. Policy! Policy? Yes. Encourage moderation and provide support for addicts and let only the drawbacks of addiction and other drug-related illness serve as a deterrent against unwise consumption. That has been by far the single greatest deterrent in every society that has heretofore existed anyway.
Monarcho-communist state has a multitude of contradictions in it's name alone.

This thread belongs in Chit Chat or the stoner thread...my god.

To humour you, I would make smoking weed, dropping Shrooms, acid, and smoking DMT mandatory for everyone at least once.

[Comrade Trollface]

No man, this is straight up Utopian politics. Also, whats the contradiction? I think its very steampunk and steampunk is rad.
Also it is uncool to pressure people into doing psychedelics. Lots of folks have good reason not to, man. Shit can fuck your head up but good.

[electrostal]

Obligatory Jenkem-sessions three times a day.

[Caj]

Under my monarcho-communist rule, drug use would be obligatory, and defiance would result in gulag.

[Deicide]

Drugs use for recreational purposes will earn you an eternity in the most horrific Siberian gulag imaginable. Unless you're on the Central Committee, we'll be getting high and drinking cognac all the time.

[Book O'Dead]

This thread belongs in chit-chat.

[Comrade Trollface]

I was hoping that this would be a serious Utopian discussion. But if two comrades say so, then perhaps it is possible that I have erred. I can't move it though. Oh well. Don't sweat it for now though, ok?

[Leftsolidarity]

DRUGS! Lots and lots of drugs!!!

[Positivist]

When can we ban him?

[Leftsolidarity]

When can we ban him?

Patience young patawon. The ban will come in time.

[Ethics Gradient, Traitor For All Ages]

Drug use would be mandatory. However it would also be punished by a 10 year gulag sentence. My liberated workers must be kept confused and living in fear to avoid imperialist indoctrination.

[shinjuku dori]

You could join Japan Communist Party which is upholding existence of emperor. :rolleyes:

[shinjuku dori]

Working class does not do drugs. Must be sober and knowledge to complete the necessary task. Do not associate with bad name for us, you guys. Hippies are not.

[roy]

Working class does not do drugs. Must be sober and knowledge to complete the necessary task. Do not associate with bad name for us, you guys. Hippies are not.

wait, seriously?

[shinjuku dori]

I have never met drug addict in my lifetime.

[roy]

doing drugs =/= addiction

[shinjuku dori]

I have never met user or junkie. Not once. None of my coworker do this.

[roy]

ok, that doesn't mean the working class don't do drugs

[shinjuku dori]

In Japan they do not. I guess only in Western country. But not even. I was in Bylorus and this did not happen also.

[roy]

well i'm sure there's at least one lonely guy in japan doing drugs, but that's by-the-by. drug use is prevalent worldwide, not just in the west.

[shinjuku dori]

Not common in Japan, North Korea, South Korea, China, Mongolia, Singapore. Except for gangster. Sorry. I hate to burst your illusion that American hellfire of decadence is basis for earth. But is not true.

[Art Vandelay]

I want to get Shinjuku dori high in my socialist kingdom.

[Ethics Gradient, Traitor For All Ages]

Drug use just has a serious stigma in Japan so people are more careful about hiding it. You're either not actually Japanese or too young to know these things.

[Comrade Trollface]

You actually can't know that you've never met a drug user, dori. You just know that you've never met anyone who's told you that they were a drug user. You're also probably not including alcohol, caffeine and nicotine in your definition of 'drugs.' Which is pretty absurd.

Looks like you have internalized arbitrary bourgeois categories.

[Klaatu]

There are leftists that smoke dope, there are leftists that do not smoke dope. There are capitalists that smoke dope, there are capitalists that do not smoke dope. There are religious people that smoke dope (believe it or not), there are religious people that do not smoke dope

There are (fill in the blank) that smoke dope, there are (fill in the blank) that do not smoke dope. I don't think you can put a demographic label on drug use. There are no statistical studies that point to anyone's particular group being more or less stoned than any other. Maybe you could do that in the 1960s, but not in 2012. ;)

[Yuppie Grinder]

Working class does not do drugs. Must be sober and knowledge to complete the necessary task. Do not associate with bad name for us, you guys. Hippies are not.

You're cute.

[Ocean Seal]

Obviously no one should do drugs, smoke, drink alcohol, gamble, watch professional sports, watch television, have sex, or jaywalk. All of these offenses are signs of capitalist decadence. All working class people will be given turnips to eat and CD's of revolutionary songs to listen to, so long as those aren't too much fun.

[Ostrinski]

The mandate of hallucinogens is a fundamental institution inherent in any healthy post-revolutionary society - of this, a debate is simply unnecessary.

The issue facing us now, and one of great urgency, is the nature of the state orgy, its social function, and how to best organize it so that a proper, efficient orgiastic experience is promised to all partisans of all communities, while also being careful not to neglect the sexual needs, desires, and freedom of individual communities.

Personally, I am quite disgusted by this ultra left idea that this is an unconsequent issue, and one that will organically discipline itself without political mediation. Failure of the left to address these pressing inescapable issues could be disastrous.

The left is in bad, bad shape. Prospects are bleak.

[Lanky Wanker]

Drug license system, much like a driver's license. You'd go to evening classes or learn from home about the drug (or class of drugs if they're similar enough) you want the license for. Each part of the test will be marked separately and analysed to see whether or not the person understands the effects and dangers of the drug yet, and how important it is to them. Limits would be set on how much each person could pick up certain drugs according to specific traits of the drug.

For example, if you wanted to try psilocybin mushrooms you would learn the basics of its contents, what it does to the body, the effects/experience, the possible bad experiences or dangers you might face on the drug (and what to do in such a situation) and the laws of purchasing and using shrooms. Limits would be set on a drug like this in relation to how often it can be used within a certain period of time. For example, to my knowledge you can't do psilocybin mushrooms more than about 2 or 3 times a month, so if someone wants to buy an amount of mushrooms that are obviously not for personal use, they wouldn't be able to.

This knocks down the "well what if their friends give it to them?" problem to a large degree. Who would turn down free education about a drug or not educate the friends they were giving it to IF it was really that dangerous? It's not even close to a perfect system, but I think it would be more effective than what we have now. The title also leads me to believe that there will be some kind of authoritarian power standing over society and people aren't intelligent or organised enough to think for themselves. Basically what I mean is sort of like compulsory drug education. If a drug is dangerous enough and you aren't forcing "DON'T DO DRUGS!!!" down your kid's throat, why would they do it? I think most kids (and even adults) simply don't understand the dangers of what they're taking.

I'm high/tired as fuck so that took me ages to think of and type. Anyway, however the hell you regulate drugs, people will get past it, but hey, this is utopianism... we don't even need laws. :D People just need to be more responsible, and unfortunately laws can't (within reason) do anything about that.

EDIT: Oh, and addicts. Addicts would be given all the help they need to recover, then given the chance to work with drug education and helping other addicts. Hey, even a full blown crackhead would be useful when it comes to educating kids about drugs. This is all obviously on the basis that it is a fair representation and not biased anti-drug crap like what I've had to sit through at school.

[shinjuku dori]

"Drug use among Japanese has hit a new peak of about one and half percent of the population, with police estimating that roughly 2 million Japanese are now drug users."

http://articles.cnn.com/2003-01-01/world/japan.drugs_1_drug-users-drug-problem-japanese-gangsters?_s=PM:asiapcf

You refuse to believe rest of the world is not murderer and junkies because degenerate American society has this. I am truly sorry for you, but it is not real.

You have some better thing, like condition of women compared to here. But in this case, you are gone.

[Comrade Trollface]

"Drug use among Japanese has hit a new peak of about one and half percent of the population, with police estimating that roughly 2 million Japanese are now drug users."
Does that include caffeine, nicotine and alcohol? :rolleyes:

[Halleluhwah]

Monarcho-communist state has a multitude of contradictions in it's name alone.

This thread belongs in Chit Chat or the stoner thread...my god.

To humour you, I would make smoking weed, dropping Shrooms, acid, and smoking DMT mandatory for everyone at least once.

Have you (or anybody else here) done DMT?

I'm curious because I seriously haven't met anybody who's tried it, but I would really like to one day.

[Leftsolidarity]

Working class does not do drugs. Must be sober and knowledge to complete the necessary task. Do not associate with bad name for us, you guys. Hippies are not.

lol wut? I'm sure it's safe to say that the majority of people who use drugs are working class people.

[o well this is ok I guess]

Under my monarcho-communist rule, drug use would be obligatory, and defiance would result in gulag. Gulags will be grow ops

[shinjuku dori]

lol wut? I'm sure it's safe to say that the majority of people who use drugs are working class people.

1.5% of Japanese population use drugs. Same 1% who 99% occupy is against, plus .5% of degenerates and gangsters.

How you feel?

[Halleluhwah]

1.5% of Japanese population use drugs. Same 1% who 99% occupy is against, plus .5% of degenerates and gangsters.

How you feel?

Clearly the Japanese are just superior. Why do the rest of us even call ourselves leftists?

[shinjuku dori]

Because America is hellfire of imperialism. Lucky we could not, along with Singapore, South Korea, North Korea, China and some other. Basically America, some kind of Europe and parts of the uncivilized world are plagued by this problem. It's real symptom of decadence and Nihlist gave up on change for real life. :(

[shinjuku dori]

I want to get Shinjuku dori high in my socialist kingdom.

Actually, you can have. It's just famous road. -dori is like avenue word marker. So anyone can make.

We even have "Broadway" here.

I just joined site suddenly after finding when I saw someone making outrageous statement that only Jew and Muslim mutilate their baby's penises. Because it's also done in America, South Korea and Japan, even though these are not Jew or Islam country. So I couldn't think of kind of "cool" name. So I just typed that speedy.

I got excited to involve in the conversations quickly. Many things to talk about, and in English!

Unfortunate, I cut illusions, because I see mostly social democratic here now, which is possible worse than apathetic Japanese.

[Magón]

I want to get Shinjuku dori high in my socialist kingdom.

I'd rather not waste my possible highs.

[shinjuku dori]

I'm sorry you are so alienated.

[Raúl Duke]

I've heard that Japan has a very strict and not so knowledgeable view about drugs (i.e. marijuana/cannabis being equated to methamphetamine and crack.) It's also true that not many people smoke weed in Japan, alcohol is relatively cheap and all.

But still, we got to be serious about drug policy, and I believe we need a more reasonable rational-base drug policy across the world as part of our socialist experiment rather then some reefer madness misinformation.

It may also be evolutionary policy. The only nation that has followed this road so far seems to be Portugal.

But stop with all this silly non-sense "decadent West" talk. There's quite a lot of things some Westerners consider "decadent" about Japan but we don't bring it up because we know it's for the most part all silly subjective shit. Most of current Japanese drug laws refer to US biased drug laws back in the 40s-60s, little of it is rational/true.

[PC LOAD LETTER]

Have you (or anybody else here) done DMT?

I'm curious because I seriously haven't met anybody who's tried it, but I would really like to one day.
I know a few people who've done it. I was supposed to get some of it a while back from one (knew him in high school, he travels now and comes around about once a year) but the dude gave my portion to someone else ... I hadn't paid for it yet, so it wasn't that big of a deal, but eh ... told him to bring more next time

The only description they could muster was "mindfuck".

Also, cannabis will be mandatory in my socialist kingdom.

[Leftsolidarity]

Why is this nationalist racist still here? Japan is so superior to you decadent Westerns!

[Rusty Shackleford]

Aspirin will be free for all.

[znk666]

Soft drugs would be regulated and sold by the government,same for hard drugs but people could only buy them in heavily limited amounts.

[Dennis the 'Bloody Peasant']

A free for all with services in place to help those who get too fucked up.

Shrooms and / or a joint at least once in your lifetime, mandatory (in a designated recreational drug park, a lot of trees and grass and good naturey stuff)

[shinjuku dori]

But stop with all this silly non-sense "decadent West" talk. There's quite a lot of things some Westerners consider "decadent" about Japan but we don't bring it up because we know it's for the most part all silly subjective shit. Most of current Japanese drug laws refer to US biased drug laws back in the 40s-60s, little of it is rational/true.

That's fair. But why if it's true these "old laws" worked here while many Americans are putting Heroin Needles into their wrist? Here if your friend or coworker found out you are doing drug, you don't have friend anymore.

[Leftsolidarity]

That's fair. But why if it's true these "old laws" worked here while many Americans are putting Heroin Needles into their wrist? Here if your friend or coworker found out you are doing drug, you don't have friend anymore.

Then they aren't really a friend. If someone is injecting, friends are supposed to be there to help them through that and hopefully help them not abuse those drugs anymore. But yeah, I still think that you have bigoted and generalized views of foreign countries.

[citizen of industry]

Not common in Japan, North Korea, South Korea, China, Mongolia, Singapore. Except for gangster. Sorry. I hate to burst your illusion that American hellfire of decadence is basis for earth. But is not true.

What about the headshop that was raided last week in Tokyo and was all over the news? For that matter what about that ex-celebrity that was busted for meth last year, what was her name? That one sparked an annoying media frenzy for months over meth abuse in Japan. And of course, much like Korea and China, there's the socially acceptable alcoholism. As usual I had to wade through a hundred or two passed out salarymen and their pools of vomit on my way home tonight. It's like a war zone. Ah, Japan...where unlike the "hellfire of decadence" you can buy booze and smokes from the vending machines 24/7 and drink anywhere. That's one of the great things about it. I gotta wonder why the businessmen complain so much about long hours and "work culture" when half of those hours are spent getting pasted every night.

[bad ideas actualised by alcohol]

In Japan they do not. I guess only in Western country. But not even. I was in Bylorus and this did not happen also.

I beg to difer: http://articles.cnn.com/2003-01-01/world/japan.drugs_1_drug-users-drug-problem-japanese-gangsters?_s=PM:asiapcf

[Deicide]

Drugs are not cool kids, stay away.

[Pretty Flaco]

id build my kingdom on coke. and lots of it!

[Brosa Luxemburg]

I have never met user or junkie. Not once. None of my coworker do this.

What an ignorant statement.

So, I work at McDonald's in "the great satan", as you would probably call it from what I see from your other posts, which is a working class job, and most of the people I work with smoke weed and drink. Just because you subjectively have not seen a member of the working class use drugs doesn't mean that it follows logically that it is an objective fact that none of the working class use drugs.

BTW your other posts reek of ultra-nationalist sentiments and it is really showing.

[hatzel]

What about the headshop that was raided last week in Tokyo and was all over the news? For that matter what about that ex-celebrity that was busted for meth last year, what was her name? That one sparked an annoying media frenzy for months over meth abuse in Japan. And of course, much like Korea and China, there's the socially acceptable alcoholism. As usual I had to wade through a hundred or two passed out salarymen and their pools of vomit on my way home tonight. It's like a war zone. Ah, Japan...where unlike the "hellfire of decadence" you can buy booze and smokes from the vending machines 24/7 and drink anywhere. That's one of the great things about it. I gotta wonder why the businessmen complain so much about long hours and "work culture" when half of those hours are spent getting pasted every night.

They're all just gangsters and degenerates. And English teachers. No true Japanese people act like that at all...

[JPSartre12]

Have cannabis, ecstasy, LSD, shrooms legal.
Decriminalize everything else and don't spend much resources into them.
Get rid of all for-profit prisons and massively expand all funding for rehabilitation. Rehab over imprisonment.

[Brosa Luxemburg]

Get rid of all for-profit prisons and massively expand all funding for rehabilitation. Rehab over imprisonment.

Yep.

http://www.amazon.com/Perpetual-Prisoner-Machine-America-Profits/dp/0813338700/ref=la_B000APL6R6_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1341326743&sr=1-1

[Sinister Cultural Marxist]

If it grows from the ground, it should be available for everyone.


1.5% of Japanese population use drugs. Same 1% who 99% occupy is against, plus .5% of degenerates and gangsters.

How you feel?

I've been to Japan and plenty there smoke cigarettes like a fucking coal plant and downs sake like its water.

Also you don't have any evidence that members of the working class aren't a part of that 1.5%, except your prejudice that only rich people and gangsters do it.


Because America is hellfire of imperialism. Lucky we could not, along with Singapore, South Korea, North Korea, China and some other. Basically America, some kind of Europe and parts of the uncivilized world are plagued by this problem. It's real symptom of decadence and Nihlist gave up on change for real life. :(

What the fuck is the "uncivilized world"? You mean India, Bolivia and Jamaica? Those people would resent being called uncivilized.

http://sanmeshm.files.wordpress.com/2012/06/smokin-sadhu.jpg

http://starstorage.blob.core.windows.net/archives/2012/3/13/worldupdates/2012-03-13T010326Z_1_CBRE82C02XT00_RTROPTP_2_DRUGS-UN-BOLIVIA.JPG

http://i.telegraph.co.uk/multimedia/archive/01364/EvoMorales_1364775c.jpg

http://smithsonianeducation.org/migrations/rasta/13derm.jpg

Whoah, and a Mexican smoking weed

http://t1.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcQSju5p14lrd9CHjnEJc2amUkw2O9SvD c-XzF0Ll6f3_rfJtFQzbQ&t=1

It's not a symbol of decadence and nihilism, it's a symbol of wanting to have a good time.

Let's invert this schema for a second:
Anyways you Japanese have a problem with pornography that is degrading and sexually violent with women.


Not common in Japan, North Korea, South Korea, China, Mongolia, Singapore. Except for gangster. Sorry. I hate to burst your illusion that American hellfire of decadence is basis for earth. But is not true.

All hail the mighty, culturally superior East Asian! Funny how I have convinced Chinese, Japanese and Korean residents here in America to smoke weed with me. Maybe they just like the American hellfire of decadence.


That's fair. But why if it's true these "old laws" worked here while many Americans are putting Heroin Needles into their wrist? Here if your friend or coworker found out you are doing drug, you don't have friend anymore.

how about you actually learn something about the drug problem/drug culture in the US before passing judgement? Most people do not do heroin, not because it's illegal but because it's fucking dangerous to get hooked on it. The American people themselves decided to ignore American laws regarding Marijuana and Cocaine because these laws are stupid and unhelpful. They are also Imperialistic in that the US needs to impose regimes which prevent the growth of drug-related crops and interdict shipments of drugs.

[Comrade Trollface]

Basically America, some kind of Europe and parts of the uncivilized world are plagued by this problem.Since you've already admitted to total ignorance on the subject of drugs (other than presumably alcohol, caffeine and nicotine :rolleyes:) let me educate you a little. The 'drug problem' isn't chiefly caused by the consumption of substances, but by the state's monstrous and idiotic response to said consumption. Namely the persecution of users. This isn't a particular characteristic of bourgeois capitalism. Some of the worst offenders in this regard have been self-proclaimed socialist states.

As a case in point, consider that when the US tried making alcohol illegal in the 1920's, all of the problems that you associate with illicit drugs manifested themselves in relation to alcohol. People started dying from it in vastly larger numbers than before, it became more associated with violent crime and theft, organized crime organizations became the chief manufacturers and distributors, etc. And consumption did not go down one iota, despite the near instant 1000%+ price inflation of the now-contraband liquor.

I also advise you to consider Portugal's drug decriminalization policy, which has sharply reduced the social ills associated with drug use by not treating users as criminals.

[hatzel]

Also you don't have any evidence that members of the working class aren't a part of that 1.5%, except your prejudice that only rich people and gangsters do it.

You're forgetting that dori's understanding of the Occupy movement is that it represented the 99% (i.e. all non-drug users) against the extreme minority of people who used drugs and were therefore bringing glorious Japan to its knees...

[shinjuku dori]

I am not nationalist. I already said America has some more advanced like condition of women and children. That is fact. Also fact, you are likely to be drug junkie in America more than Japan. It's sad truth. It's not genetic basis or some kind of "natural race". It's just result of previous times. This is where we are now. Before England brought its hellfire of Opium to China and turned Coolie into junkie. Today, America looks like that. Full of Nihlist loser drop out burn fiend coke addict. It's problem for revolution to solve.

Of course every country should be brought about to a world culture. That's it for us. If not you are social democrat working for your national capital.

[shinjuku dori]

Ah, Japan...where unlike the "hellfire of decadence" you can buy booze and smokes from the vending machines 24/7 and drink anywhere. That's one of the great things about it. I gotta wonder why the businessmen complain so much about long hours and "work culture" when half of those hours are spent getting pasted every night.

Typical American nationalist in closet. If you hate Japanese people, please find your way home. American should stay in stomach of imperialism and save rest of the world from barbarism of your representatives in Washington.

I do not go to America to wipe out drug addiction. I got to feed my own fish.

Each person got to fight about it.

the proletariat must first of all acquire political supremacy, must rise to be the leading class of the nation, must constitute itself the nation, it is so far, itself national, though not in the bourgeois sense of the word.

[Deicide]

I personally hate this drug culture that is prevalent amongst people my age. Too bad I'm not Stalin, I'd send you all to gulag.

[ed miliband]

if i want to take drugs or drink or smoke i'll bloody well do it. i don't want some well-meaning so-and-so to tell me what i can or can't do.

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/d/d8/Gadsden_flag.svg/250px-Gadsden_flag.svg.png

[Deicide]

Seeing people wired on coke and MDMA on friday night is the funnez.

[hatzel]

Typical American nationalist in closet. If you hate Japanese people, please find your way home. American should stay in stomach of imperialism and save rest of the world from barbarism of your representatives in Washington.

Did you seriously just tell him to go 'home' (where?) because he's not Japanese?

[shinjuku dori]

No. I told him go home if he hates Japanese people. Please confirm.

[Comrade Trollface]

He pointed out some of the public drug use that he's seen in Japan and you started frothing at the mouth. That is hardly the same thing.

[shinjuku dori]

Check my syntax, cak sakers.

"If you hate Japanese people, please find your way home."

[Deicide]

I remember when some kid I know took ket last summer, he ended washing his face in a puddle and passing out outside a gig in the northern district in Manchester city center :laugh: Drugs are fine. Although as I said above, I personally don't like them, as I've seen too many people fuck up and turn into zombies. It's when you start taking them (regularly) at home, by yourself, without friends or an appropriate social situation, that's when you're a fuck up. Obviously they are a very easy and enjoyable escape mechanism from everyday capitalist reality.

If you're at the point were you can't get through a week without sniffing powders up your nose, popping a pill, or smoking a plant, means you got issues that you should evaluate and try to sort out.

[Ostrinski]

Bath salts for all bourgeoisie. Can't wait for revolution

[hatzel]

No. I told him go home if he hates Japanese people. Please confirm.

If you think an immigrant's right to stay in Japan is reliant on their paying due respect to 'Japanese people' (as if they have a legitimate right to control the conditions of hospitality) and bow down at their feet and thank them for being so kind as to open 'their' country to (grateful!) strangers then you need to reassess everything you think about everything, mush. If somebody tried to put conditions on my staying in a country (particularly something as stupid as this, that I 'like' 'its' 'people') I'd get seriously degenerate hellfire on their sorry behind with my foot...

[shinjuku dori]

Why you keep making something? I didn't say any of your words.

Who would stay in place they hated the people? If I go your home I would leave. Because I hate you.

[shinjuku dori]

Riddle me this Batman: Why are drug use and murder so common in America?

[Comrade Trollface]

Riddle me this Batman: Why are drug use and murder so common in America?Why is both rice consumption and a fondness for humanoid robots so common in Japan? According to your twisted logic, the one somehow stems from the other:lol:

[Sinister Cultural Marxist]

I am not nationalist. I already said America has some more advanced like condition of women and children. That is fact. Also fact, you are likely to be drug junkie in America more than Japan. It's sad truth. It's not genetic basis or some kind of "natural race". It's just result of previous times. This is where we are now. Before England brought its hellfire of Opium to China and turned Coolie into junkie. Today, America looks like that. Full of Nihlist loser drop out burn fiend coke addict. It's problem for revolution to solve.

Of course every country should be brought about to a world culture. That's it for us. If not you are social democrat working for your national capital.

You are passing judgement of the moral status of people who live in America based on some superficial stereotypes you have about "dangerous junkies". Maybe you are not a racial supremacist, but there is a clear emphasis of cultural bigotry nonetheless.

One issue you are ignoring is that Japan is a small, densely populated island, whereas America is a large fertile country with long, hard-to-control borders with Mexico. It's not that hard to smuggle large quantities of drugs into the US. It's also true that you are ignoring the reality that Japanese people consume nicotine and alcohol too. Not every American who consumes drugs is a "junkie", just like every Japanese person who drinks sake is not an alcoholic.


Typical American nationalist in closet. If you hate Japanese people, please find your way home. American should stay in stomach of imperialism and save rest of the world from barbarism of your representatives in Washington.

I do not go to America to wipe out drug addiction. I got to feed my own fish.

Each person got to fight about it.

the proletariat must first of all acquire political supremacy, must rise to be the leading class of the nation, must constitute itself the nation, it is so far, itself national, though not in the bourgeois sense of the word.

He was making an ironic inversion of your criticism of American "junkies" and showing your hypocrisy. Smoking a bowl is not absolutely worse than drinking 5 shots of Sake, except one is deemed a "drug" and the other not by society.


Riddle me this Batman: Why are drug use and murder so common in America?

Drug use is common because drugs are fun to use. Drug addiction is common because of social decay and poor state policy. Drug violence is common because the State takes repressive means of controlling drug use, instead of viewing addiction in specific as a type of medical problem and solving it as such. Murder as such is a general problem with no specific cause but many complex, contextual ones which are difficult to generalize.

There are tens of thousands of murders in Mexico thanks to the American-Mexican attempt to destroy the illegal drug industry by force. This violence far exceeds the violence caused by a few "junkies".

[Raúl Duke]

Why are drug use and murder so common in America?Depending on the drug, one has no connection to the other.

In certain parts of Asia (don't remember if it was Korea or Japan), there's a high incidence of alcoholism. Alcohol is also a drug, a legal one (except in Islamic countries) like tobacco. In fact, in the world alcohol is considered the drug most likely involved in crime/murder.

The high murder rate has more to do with conditions of alienation, poverty, unemployment, etc than drugs.

Now why we have a high incidence of drug use is a bit of a mystery, since it doesn't correlate at all with the laws in place (i.e. US, Italy, Spain do more drugs then the Dutch, Portugal, etc). Perhaps it has to do with the pervasiveness of the drug culture across American history, such as the 1960s counter-culture and weed-smoking as an alternative during alcohol prohibition era.


plenty there down sake like its water.

I down sake like it's water. I love drinking that stuff cold, pretty smooth.

[Yuppie Grinder]

Typical American nationalist in closet. If you hate Japanese people, please find your way home. American should stay in stomach of imperialism and save rest of the world from barbarism of your representatives in Washington.

I do not go to America to wipe out drug addiction. I got to feed my own fish.

Each person got to fight about it.

the proletariat must first of all acquire political supremacy, must rise to be the leading class of the nation, must constitute itself the nation, it is so far, itself national, though not in the bourgeois sense of the word.

You've never been to America have you.

[maskerade]

Working class does not do drugs. Must be sober and knowledge to complete the necessary task. Do not associate with bad name for us, you guys. Hippies are not.

Well, that's just, like, your opinion, man.

I met a Japanese stoner once. He was neither a gangster or a degenerate. But then again I was fucking high so I may have just hallucinated the entire thing.

[Raúl Duke]

Anecdotes aren't ample, 'objective' evidence.

Here's a link of a statistical study on weed usage. Notice that in places where it's legal/decriminalized has a lower rate then certain places (USA, Italy, Spain) where it's illegal.

http://boingboing.net/2012/06/26/map-of-world-weed-use.html

shinjuku dori is right though, Japan has a less then 2% usage of marijuana. Although I heard the trend is changing very slowly towards more marijuana usage plus you have to account that the suppy of marijuana into that country is pretty low, of shoddy quality, and expensive. Why, not yet sure but it may have to do with the fact that people can get more alternative knowledge outside the government about drugs via the internet (e.g. erowid.com) so maybe some savy Japanese people know marijuana is not dangerous or bad in it of itself.

But this thread is about drug policy. As we can see, punitive drug laws don't help lower the consumption of drugs so they're worthless and more likely to ruin lives.

[Ethics Gradient, Traitor For All Ages]

I've been to Japan and smoked weed with Japanese people while I was there. The only gangster in the room was me, deal with it.

[shinjuku dori]

http://boingboing.net/wp-content/uploads/2012/06/sites_default_files_imagecache_full-width_images_2012_06_blogs_graphic-detail_20120630_wom934.jpg

[Robocommie]

Oh man, cannabis. Pretty serious.

[Yuppie Grinder]

I'm surprised to see South America with so little tokers.

[shinjuku dori]

I'm surprised to see South America with so little tokers.

Step outside of America and you will see rest of the world is very different.

[Magón]

In Mexico, the statisticians got so high, they forgot about their stats. If they hadn't, that place would be at the very most, the color of Greenland or France.:lol:

[shinjuku dori]

Maybe your racist stereotypes are wrong.

[Magón]

Maybe your racist stereotypes are wrong.

I'm Mexican, born and raised, not everyone on here is White Anglo-Saxon Americans.

I think I know what I'm talking about, since that's where I've blazed the most, with more people than in the US.

[citizen of industry]

If you hate Japanese people, please find your way home.

There it is. I was waiting for you to say that. The hallmark of all nationalist scum. "If you don't like it, go home." It shows that your perception of "home" is based on birthright and national borders, not defined by where one lives and works, has spent most of their life, etc. You abandon class right there, and identify yourself as Japanese first, as a worker second. And this is the biggest obstacle to socialist revolution, people with no class outlook would rather throw in their lot with their own bourgeoisie because they are of the same nationality or race, and blame immigrant workers, not capitalism, for unemployment and low wages.

You see, I merely pointed out that in Japan, like in all countries, drug use is prevalent. And your immediate reflex was to accuse me of hating Japanese people and suggest I leave the country and go "home," when my home is right here.

Are you sure you don't wear navy fatigues, drive around in black soundtrucks blaring martial tunes, waving the hinomaru around and telling immigrants to go home and union demonstrators to go back to work and stop complaining? Because that sounds more like your brand of politics than worker internationalism.

You sound nothing like any Japanese anarchist I've met.

[Robocommie]

Step outside of America and you will see rest of the world is very different.

Bro, WWII is over, we can stop shooting at each other now.

[Magón]

You sound nothing like any Japanese anarchist I've met.

Or an Anarchist in general, just another idiot troll.

[Yuppie Grinder]

Step outside of America and you will see rest of the world is very different.

i'm laughing hysterically now

[shinjuku dori]

There it is. I was waiting for you to say that. The hallmark of all nationalist scum. "If you don't like it, go home." It shows that your perception of "home" is based on birthright and national borders, not defined by where one lives and works, has spent most of their life, etc. You abandon class right there, and identify yourself as Japanese first, as a worker second. And this is the biggest obstacle to socialist revolution, people with no class outlook would rather throw in their lot with their own bourgeoisie because they are of the same nationality or race, and blame immigrant workers, not capitalism, for unemployment and low wages.

You see, I merely pointed out that in Japan, like in all countries, drug use is prevalent. And your immediate reflex was to accuse me of hating Japanese people and suggest I leave the country and go "home," when my home is right here.

How dare you! You wretched dog.

You do not understand Japanese and also English? I am asking why you chose to live around Japanese people if you hate. I am saying PEOPLE. Not Japan country. You do not need to like country. I am communist to of course abolish country and nationality.

I wouldn't go to bar full of cigarette smoke if I hate cigarette. Why you go to Japan if you hate Japanese person?

There is no need. You are not desperate Meksican crossing dessert to find job for survival. Our economy is worse than yours even. Why you want to be around Japanese? Baka.

You are so stupid that you do not even know the saturation of your pants. My girlfriend is Vietnam!! BAKA MITAI!!

FAKU


hinomaru

http://www.hp-hinomaru.com/

[hatzel]

You are so stupid that you do not even know the saturation of your pants.

...can somebody please tell me if this is some kind of weird idiom that doesn't translate at all? :lol:

[shinjuku dori]

You see, I merely pointed out that in Japan, like in all countries, drug use is prevalent

Because you are an idiot. I showed how many proofs that it is not even. Not slightly! With science evidence. Less than 2%. Can you not understand?? You keep making this lie. Even though I put proofs! Why you cannot accept? Why you so intent to pretend all of world is hooked on drugs? Because you are the true nationalist scum patriot who cannot stand to hear that America is flaming bag of dog shit in ocean of horse's piss.

I just asking why America snort drugs many. Check my map you hogwash

Happy July 4 Indopendence FAKU

[Brosa Luxemburg]

Okay, shinjuku dori, your dumbass just made my ignore list. I don't think it matters though. You will probably be banned soon.

[hatzel]

Happy July 4 Indopendence FAKU

Why would King Faku a Ngqungqushe (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/King_Faku) care about the 4th July? I don't get it :confused:

[shinjuku dori]

jQybgJCswF0

[magicme]

I just asking why America snort drugs many. Check my map you hogwash



Do American snort cannabis? That is decadent, also sounds difficult.

Maybe more drug use shows drugs are enjoyable and being produced more, or it's a sign of bourgeois decadence that will precede the glorious revolution, or the use of drugs by many members of the working class (not in Japan I hear but certainly in northern England) in direct opposition to the dictates of the ruling classes (who think drugs are great until normal people want some of the action) shows how close people are to turning over their horrible systems.

[Robocommie]

I like it when shinjuku dori calls people dogs because it makes me feel like I'm in the days of pikes and muskets.

[Yuppie Grinder]

How dare you! You wretched dog.


You are not desperate Meksican crossing dessert to find job for survival.

You are so stupid that you do not even know the saturation of your pants. My girlfriend is Vietnam!! BAKA MITAI!!


Are you trying to make it obvious you're a troll?

[PC LOAD LETTER]

I smoke weed because it's relaxing and doesn't make me puke my guts out and stumble everywhere like alcohol does. Also, no hangover. Smoking weed =/= shooting up heroin or snorting coke, although I know people who do that stuff, too ... my friend died from a heroin overdose a few months ago.

People get into heroin because they start off with weak pain pills like oxycodone because it's fucking fun and relaxes you, get a tolerance, take more, get a bigger tolerance, crush the pills if they can to snort them (a lot of new ones get gooey when you crush them), get a bigger tolerance, shoot up the pills when they can, then get a huge tolerance, then switch to heroin because it's cheaper and they're already shooting up anyways. I've known several people who've done this. And you know what? That's okay. They can do what they want.

If the US had a legitimate concern for drug use, there would be widespread public rehabilitation centers and a safety net to help people caught in the trap of addiction instead of callous indifference and methadone (and now Suboxone). Maybe if the US gave a shit, my friend would still be alive. But I don't for one second want to wage some idealistic crusade against "drugs" as if that will solve anything.

[Sendo]

Not common in Japan, North Korea, South Korea, China, Mongolia, Singapore. Except for gangster. Sorry. I hate to burst your illusion that American hellfire of decadence is basis for earth. But is not true.

Don't be a fool for propaganda. Tobacco is a FAR worse drug than marijuana. East Asians are killing themselves with the binge drinking (alcohol is a drug) and chain smoking.

There are many drugs. Maybe cocaine is in the middle and chrystal meth and heroin are the in the extreme danger zone.

The question is what to do with drugs. Should they be allowed? Should dealers be punished? Should users be punished? Should users be rehabilitated? Should drugs be taxed? Should use be discouraged? Should it be a civil offence like parking in an illegal parking zone?

[Engel]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6EefPcht54c
Sorry that's all I could think of when I read your post OP. :D

[Sinister Cultural Marxist]

This thread really needs to be read after smoking a bowl, just for dramatic effect.

[Comrade Trollface]

http://boingboing.net/wp-content/uploads/2012/06/sites_default_files_imagecache_full-width_images_2012_06_blogs_graphic-detail_20120630_wom934.jpg

The numbers for Russia are obvious bullshit. That fucking shit grows wild there. The government doesn't fucking know what the crazy hippie kids in the taiga are doing. And Mexico? Are you fucking kidding me about Mexico? For fuck's sake, that's where the US got the idea to smoke that sweet herb in the first place!

And please note- it is decriminalized in Portugal. And criminalized in the US. So yeah.

[Deicide]

The numbers for Russia are obvious bullshit. That fucking shit grows wild there. The government doesn't fucking know what the crazy hippie kids in the taiga are doing. And Mexico? Are you fucking kidding me about Mexico? For fuck's sake, that's where the US got the idea to smoke that sweet herb in the first place!

And please note- it is decriminalized in Portugal. And criminalized in the US. So yeah.

The weed (C. Ruderalis) that naturally grows in ditches etc. in Russia is shite for getting high with. That's why people crossed bred them with Sativas or Indicas.

[Althusser]

When can we ban him?

getting a tingling feeling that you'd be in favor monarcho-communism if you were in charge

[Tim Cornelis]

http://boingboing.net/wp-content/uploads/2012/06/sites_default_files_imagecache_full-width_images_2012_06_blogs_graphic-detail_20120630_wom934.jpg

Rational scale to assess the harm of drugs (mean physical harm and mean dependence):

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/9/9c/Rational_scale_to_assess_the_harm_of_drugs_(mean_p hysical_harm_and_mean_dependence).svg

Countries by cigarette consumption per capita (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_cigarette_consumption_per_cap ita):

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/3/3e/World_map_of_countries_by_number_of_cigarettes_smo ked_per_adult_per_year.svg

Alcohol consumption by country:

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/94/Alcohol_by_Country.png/700px-Alcohol_by_Country.png

^
Alcohol and tobacco are more harmful than cannabis (they are both, both more addictive and physically damaging). Japanese smoke more cigarettes than US citizens. Both countries drink roughly the same amount of alcohol.

[Zealot]

shinjuku dori, I would just like to congratulate you for making me laugh harder than George Bush's last speech.

[PC LOAD LETTER]

Don't be a fool for propaganda. Tobacco is a FAR worse drug than marijuana. East Asians are killing themselves with the binge drinking (alcohol is a drug) and chain smoking.

There are many drugs. Maybe cocaine is in the middle and chrystal meth and heroin are the in the extreme danger zone.

The question is what to do with drugs. Should they be allowed? Should dealers be punished? Should users be punished? Should users be rehabilitated? Should drugs be taxed? Should use be discouraged? Should it be a civil offence like parking in an illegal parking zone?
To be honest heroin wouldn't be that (physically) dangerous if it were legal, clean of adulterants, and potency-consistent with public access to naloxone (accidental OD) and clean needles ...

[Leftsolidarity]

This thread really needs to be read after smoking a bowl, just for dramatic effect.

pfftt way ahead of you buddy

[roy]

Not common in Japan, North Korea, South Korea, China, Mongolia, Singapore. Except for gangster. Sorry. I hate to burst your illusion that American hellfire of decadence is basis for earth. But is not true.

i'm sorry to burst your illusion but i'm not american. i'm stating facts, and it isn't anti-working-class or whatever to do drugs. that's just silly.

i gotta say my impression of tokyo was decadent as fuck

[Nox]

I'd give everyone a ration of half an ounce of weed per week. I'd also make it compulsory to blaze up from the age of 10. I'd also make it punishable by death to mix weed with tobacco cos it fucking ruins it.

[PC LOAD LETTER]

I'd give everyone a ration of half an ounce of weed per week. I'd also make it compulsory to blaze up from the age of 10. I'd also make it punishable by death to mix weed with tobacco cos it fucking ruins it.
I'm glad nobody here in the US rolls spliffs, just straight-up Js. Well, a lot of people roll blunts, a tobacco leaf, but it's not like you put cigarette tobacco in there.

[Comrade Trollface]

Bullshit. Plenty of folks in the US roll spliffs. To hide the smell.

[Leftsolidarity]

Wtf I love spliffs. Why y'all gotta hate on a nice tasty spliff?

[PC LOAD LETTER]

Bullshit. Plenty of folks in the US roll spliffs. To hide the smell.
Kid I've lived in 4 states, met stoners all over the damn place, and never met people who rolled spliffs.

And if you think it hides the smell I suspect you've never smoked weed before.

[Comrade Trollface]

Kid I've lived in 4 states, met stoners all over the damn place, and never met people who rolled spliffs.

And if you think it hides the smell I suspect you've never smoked weed before.I didn't say that it worked. And I didn't say that I do it. I hate that shit. I'm guessing that New York isn't one of those states though?

[PC LOAD LETTER]

I didn't say that it worked. And I didn't say that I do it. I hate that shit. I'm guessing that New York isn't one of those states though?
Nah, just the south. That probably explains it. There are a lot of people down here who smoke blunts, though.


Wtf I love spliffs. Why y'all gotta hate on a nice tasty spliff?
I just don't want to hit what I think is a J and get tobacco / weed ... in some cases I wouldn't mind, but I quit smoking tobacco a while back and don't want to get back in the habit

[Leftsolidarity]

I just don't want to hit what I think is a J and get tobacco / weed ... in some cases I wouldn't mind, but I quit smoking tobacco a while back and don't want to get back in the habit

I've met people who quit cigarettes who don't wanna smoke spliffs and I understand that but in general when you're just hangin out relaxing, spliffs are awesome.

[Nox]

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/94/Alcohol_by_Country.png/700px-Alcohol_by_Country.png


Fuckin' hell, those Ugandans love getting pissed

[PC LOAD LETTER]

I've met people who quit cigarettes who don't wanna smoke spliffs and I understand that but in general when you're just hangin out relaxing, spliffs are awesome.
One of my friends makes cigaweeds for when he's in public ... like, pull out a little bit of tobacco from the end of the cigarette, put a couple of hits of weed in there, put some tobacco on the end so it looks like a normal cig. Then you can light it, get a couple hits, and before anyone's the wiser the weed's gone and you're just smoking a cigarette.

Perfect for walking down the street if you're in a sketchy area for shmokan

[Positivist]

One of my friends makes cigaweeds for when he's in public ... like, pull out a little bit of tobacco from the end of the cigarette, put a couple of hits of weed in there, put some tobacco on the end so it looks like a normal cig. Then you can light it, get a couple hits, and before anyone's the wiser the weed's gone and you're just smoking a cigarette.

Perfect for walking down the street if you're in a sketchy area for shmokan

I've always thought about doing that, and have been considering it more so lately.

[Leftsolidarity]

I've always thought about doing that, and have been considering it more so lately.

They're alright. Personally I don't take the time to do it because it's a pain in the ass and I dislike not know when I will just take a big drag of a cigarette instead of weed.

None-the-less, they are handy for walking around like Canis said.

[aquaruis15000]

Drugs are people who give up on life. A slow form of suicide.

[PC LOAD LETTER]

Drugs are people who give up on life. A slow form of suicide.
I expect you abstain from consuming caffeine and alcohol? Chocolate?