Spritual Value of a Bomb: 85 Killed at Funeral

[Book O'Dead]

This is dedicated to all who have at one time or another praised the spiritual value of a well placed bomb.

http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/world_now/2012/06/more-than-70-killed-by-car-bombing-at-funeral-in-syrian-town.html

[Ocean Seal]

It doesn't seem likely that this would be Assad. A car bomb sounds like an ineffective delivery system. And why this funeral, and why this town. If it was Assad it looks like he's making quite a few strategic mistakes.

[Book O'Dead]

It doesn't seem likely that this would be Assad. A car bomb sounds like an ineffective delivery system. And why this funeral, and why this town. If it was Assad it looks like he's making quite a few strategic mistakes.

Whoever is responsible for the bombing is against public displays of grief over a fallen comrade.

[Princess Luna]

It doesn't seem likely that this would be Assad. A car bomb sounds like an ineffective delivery system. And why this funeral, and why this town. If it was Assad it looks like he's making quite a few strategic mistakes.
Considering it killed 85 people I would say it was very effective. also a car bomb is easy to deny. As for why the Syrian government would do it, demoralization?

[Book O'Dead]

Considering it killed 85 people I would say it was very effective. also a car bomb is easy to deny. As for why the Syrian government would do it, demoralization?

Terror.

[piet11111]

Sounds more like religious sectarian violence to me.

[MuscularTophFan]

It was Assad. No doubt about it. Assad is a dangerous fascist who will go to any means to crush his own people. Fear and terror must be instilled on the local populations in order to keep them down. People who keep saying it's "al-qaeda" or "Islamists" are believing pro-Syrian government propaganda.

[piet11111]

It was Assad. No doubt about it. Assad is a dangerous fascist who will go to any means to crush his own people. Fear and terror must be instilled on the local populations in order to keep them down. People who keep saying it's "al-qaeda" or "Islamists" are believing pro-Syrian government propaganda.

The Arab country's are sending in thousands of Islamist fighters anyone they can find including fundamentalists and almost certainly Al Qaeda supporters into a country with many different ethnic and religious groups.

What could possibly go wrong ?

Nothing bad happened in Iraq right ? a country much less divided on ethnic/religious lines.

[MuscularTophFan]

The Arab country's are sending in thousands of Islamist fighters anyone they can find including fundamentalists and almost certainly Al Qaeda supporters into a country with many different ethnic and religious groups.

What could possibly go wrong ?

Nothing bad happened in Iraq right ? a country much less divided on ethnic/religious lines.
Syria isn't like that. Syria is secular. The Syrian people want democracy but are being hindered by Assad and the military. By supporting Assad you are supporting mass murder and genocide. Assad is the one trying to paint the revolution of the Syrian people as an "Islamist revolt" that he will put down.

[piet11111]

Iraq was the most secular country in the middle east until the Western powers stoked sectarianism as a means to break up a united opposition to the occupation.

Now they are sending in Islamists and tons of weapons to bolster the Syrian opposition that failed to get mass support and would have been defeated long ago if it wasn't for the imperialists doing their best to get rid of Assad.


By supporting Assad you are supporting mass murder and genocide.

I do not support Assad but i do prefer a stable dictatorship over a repeat of Libya that can no longer govern itself because hundreds/thousands of different clans demand concessions from the central government or they will sabotage the political process.
Even more so when the odds are that Syria might go the way of Yugoslavia.

[Comrade Samuel]

Syria isn't like that. Syria is secular. The Syrian people want democracy but are being hindered by Assad and the military. By supporting Assad you are supporting mass murder and genocide. Assad is the one trying to paint the revolution of the Syrian people as an "Islamist revolt" that he will put down.

While I agree that Assad is a mass murder and deserves nothing less than to brutally murdered in the street I don't think the Syrian people want democracy in any sense of the word. There is probably alot of people who dispise the west so regular bourgeois democracy is out, I imagine the leftist scene is minuscule so prolateriate democracy is most likely out of the question as well.

I think what they want is mostly not to be shot at, the rest is questionable.

[MuscularTophFan]

Iraq was the most secular country in the middle east
That's a funny way to spell Turkey. Even under Saddam homosexuality and adulatory where officially death penalty offenses under that "supposedly secular" regime.


Now they are sending in Islamists and tons of weapons to bolster the Syrian opposition that failed to get mass support and would have been defeated long ago if it wasn't for the imperialists doing their best to get rid of Assad.
Do you have any evidence to back up your insane theory? You are just like the 9/11 truthers or the Obama birth certificate nuts. You don't have any proof to back up the bullshit you spew.

You are the one who is openly supporting a fascist dictator under the pretexts of "imperialism" and "Islamists."



I do not support Assad but i do prefer a stable dictatorship.
So you are openly admitting you are supporting an authoritarian fascist dictatorship because he "keeps order?" yeah at the costs of thousands of dead Syrians.


over a repeat of Libya that can no longer govern itself because hundreds/thousands of different clans demand concessions from the central government or they will sabotage the political process.
If the different clans want to be independent states than they should be.



Even more so when the odds are that Syria might go the way of Yugoslavia.
How the hell is Syria another Yugoslavia?

[Book O'Dead]

I hope this adds to our understanding of what is happening in Syria:
http://video.msnbc.msn.com/nightly-news/48040371/#48040371

[piet11111]

That's a funny way to spell Turkey. Even under Saddam homosexuality and adulatory where officially death penalty offenses under that "supposedly secular" regime.

Do you have a source for that as to my knowledge Iraq didn't have such laws.


Do you have any evidence to back up your insane theory? You are just like the 9/11 truthers or the Obama birth certificate nuts. You don't have any proof to back up the bullshit you spew.

Its on the news that Qatar and Saudi Arabia are training about a 1000 foreign fighters every week and that they enter through Turkey.


You are the one who is openly supporting a fascist dictator under the pretexts of "imperialism" and "Islamists."

If you can do your job make a living and go to church/temple/mosque without getting bombed/shot/kidnapped by fundamentalists then its a pretty good living situation.


So you are openly admitting you are supporting an authoritarian fascist dictatorship because he "keeps order?"

:rolleyes:


yeah at the costs of thousands of dead Syrians.

If it wasn't for western intervention the fighting would have been over by now and most atrocity's have been proven to have been committed by rebel forces.
Also the deaths in Syrian government forces are on par with "civilian" deaths (the rebel deaths are counted towards the civilian statistics making an objective overview impossible) because those deaths are rarely reported.


If the different clans want to be independent states than they should be.

Agree but what about those unfortunates that happen to live in such an area without belonging to the clan and they do not want those people living there anymore ?


How the hell is Syria another Yugoslavia?

A country torn apart by different ethnic groups all vying for the biggest piece of the pie certainly you remember what all sides where up to at the time most obviously the war crimes of the Serbs.

[MuscularTophFan]

Do you have a source for that as to my knowledge Iraq didn't have such laws.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/LGBT_rights_in_Iraq#Criminal_code:_Ba.27athist

[QUOTE]In 2001, the IRCC Resolution 234 of 2001 was enacted that established the death penalty for adultery, being involved with prostitution, and anyone who, "Commits the crime of sodomy with a male or female or who violates the honor of a male or female without his or her consent and under the threat of arm or by force in a way that the life of the victim (male or female) is threatened"



Its on the news that Qatar and Saudi Arabia are training about a 1000 foreign fighters every week and that they enter through Turkey.
You also seem to not mention another certain Islamic country called Iran that is sending troops and aid to prop up the Assad puppet dictatorship.




If it wasn't for western intervention the fighting would have been over by now and most atrocity's have been proven to have been committed by rebel forces. Also the deaths in Syrian government forces are on par with "civilian" deaths (the rebel deaths are counted towards the civilian statistics making an objective overview impossible) because those deaths are rarely reported.

[citation needed]

You are starting to sound like a pro-Assad spokesmen now.




Agree but what about those unfortunates that happen to live in such an area without belonging to the clan and they do not want those people living there anymore ?
Move somewhere else. If you don't like the people or customs of where you live you can move some where else.




A country torn apart by different ethnic groups all vying for the biggest piece of the pie certainly you remember what all sides where up to at the time most obviously the war crimes of the Serbs.
Syria doesn't have different ethnic groups. It's almost entirely Arab country. there is no big federal state in Syria holding together a bunch of smaller states together. So your comparison of Syria to Yugoslavia is bunk.

[piet11111]

[QUOTE=piet11111;2473390]Do you have a source for that as to my knowledge Iraq didn't have such laws.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/LGBT_rights_in_Iraq#Criminal_code:_Ba.27athist



Then i stand corrected.


You also seem to not mention another certain Islamic country called Iran that is sending troops and aid to prop up the Assad puppet dictatorship.

Do i have to mention that Russia is contemplating sending troops to Syria as well ?


You are starting to sound like a pro-Assad spokesmen now.

I am against Assad but i hold no illusions that anything after him will be more favorable to the Syrian people.


Move somewhere else. If you don't like the people or customs of where you live you can move some where else.

:laugh: you sound just like those tea party people.



Syria doesn't have different ethnic groups. It's almost entirely Arab country. there is no big federal state in Syria holding together a bunch of smaller states together. So your comparison of Syria to Yugoslavia is bunk.

You have the Druze the Kurds and the Syrian Turkmen along with the Assyrians and Armenians.

However what i had in mind was religious sectarian violence as what happened in Homs and Houla.
Sunni+sufi 74%
13% alawite Ismaili's and twelvers
3% Druze
10-12% christians

Interesting is how these religious groups are geographically distributed allowing for strong religious sectarianism towards community's close by.

[MuscularTophFan]

Then i stand corrected.
;)



Do i have to mention that Russia is contemplating sending troops to Syria as well ?
But they haven't now have they.


I am against Assad but i hold no illusions that anything after him will be more favorable to the Syrian people.
A defeat for authoritarianism is a victory for socialism.



:laugh: you sound just like those tea party people.
No I don't. I sound just like Thomas Jefferson and Noam Chomsky who both advocate for what I'm saying. Individual communities have their own different customs and views on things that you have to bid by as social norms. For example I am openly bisexual and prefer living in Pennsylvania than anti-gay places like Uganda.

As for the Tea Party advocates for coorperate take over and exteremely right wing views on social issues. Tea party is as authoritarian and anti-equality and thus anti-socialist.



You have the Druze the Kurds and the Syrian Turkmen along with the Assyrians and Armenians.

However what i had in mind was religious sectarian violence as what happened in Homs and Houla.
Sunni+sufi 74%
13% alawite Ismaili's and twelvers
3% Druze
10-12% christians

Interesting is how these religious groups are geographically distributed allowing for strong religious sectarianism towards community's close by.
None of those ethnic groups make up a significant minority or would they try to create their own independent states if Assad was gone. The religious groups do however make up a significant minority. The Sunni majority is tired of being oppressed by the Alawite dictatorship.

[Rafiq]

Muscular you need the shit kicked out of you.

I'm on my phone. Someone link videos of Rebels shouting Islamist chants, etc.

Look at fucking Libya... A beacon of democracy now, right?

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