LearnLiberty

[Seresan]

I was on Youtube just minding my own business when my rationality was assaulted by a 3+ minute long ad talking about why SWEATSHOPS are GOOD. In summation, he basically said that without capitalists holding the leash of poor black africans they would all starve themselves to death. I searched for the actual posted video of it in hope that all of the comments and ratings would be negative, however nearly everyone seemed to be in agreement. There are other videos such as how "corporation are people" and "minimum wages are bad for workers". They seem incapable of understanding that working constantly and earning next to nothing isn't actually better than being unemployed.

www.LearnLiberty.Org (http://www.LearnLiberty.Org) and www.Youtube.com/user/LearnLiberty (http://www.Youtube.com/user/LearnLiberty) are disgusting. How can we stop people from falling subject to these carefully produced lies?

[rylasasin]

I've seen that too, and yes it is rather disgusting. Haven't bothered to really watch any of the videos though but I have seen the comments.

as for how do "people" (as in people on youtube apparently) fall for these produced lies? well....

1. Youtube is notorious for being a cesspit of some of the worst reactionary crap and "minds" in existence, so it's not off to a good start.

2. That goes double for youtube COMMENT sections. Reactionaries on youtube just LOVE to spam shit in the comments section (while most intelligent leftists are smart enough to just ignore them and for that matter channels like this altogether).

3. It's easy enough for people like this to use sockpuppets to upvote their videos and produce floods of positive "feedback" (dunno if this particular firm does it, but reactionaries on youtube (especially the "popular" ones like Venomfangx or Howtheworldworks) are NOTORIOUS for doing this.

4. This seems like a professional outfit (as in, not just some guy with a webcam doing "commentary" ) so odds are they're well versed in using just about every single PR trick in the book (throwing around buzzwords, using strawmen definitions, attacking "communism" by attacking liberalism, etc.) Remember, the objective isn't to be intellectually honest, it's about SOUNDING like you know what you're talking about in order get the il-informed to follow you.

TL;DR version:

Because it's youtube.

[Psy]

4. This seems like a professional outfit (as in, not just some guy with a webcam doing "commentary" ) so odds are they're well versed in using just about every single PR trick in the book (throwing around buzzwords, using strawmen definitions, attacking "communism" by attacking liberalism, etc.) Remember, the objective isn't to be intellectually honest, it's about SOUNDING like you know what you're talking about in order get the il-informed to follow you.

TL;DR version:

Because it's youtube.
Right but this does bring up a problem that Marxists just don't have a very large presence on Youtube.

[ВАЛТЕР]

I swear, Right Libertarianism is the new "capitalism in decay". :rolleyes:

[NewLeft]

A site made by Institute for Humane Studies.. The same one funded by the Koch Bros. DDOS that shit.

[rylasasin]

Right but this does bring up a problem that Marxists just don't have a very large presence on Youtube.

Yeah, that is rather a problem isn't it? And the presence they do have is... well....

At best we have brendanmcooney and Marxismtoday. At worst we have... well... Does he even need mentioning?

[Ocean Seal]

In all honesty. I never understood the they would starve otherwise. I mean its not like organizing for decent working conditions caused capitalism to fail in the west. Why on Earth would it cause people to starve in the East.

[Psy]

In all honesty. I never understood the they would starve otherwise. I mean its not like organizing for decent working conditions caused capitalism to fail in the west. Why on Earth would it cause people to starve in the East.
I'm more stumped with how I am having a hard time convincing the idiots in the comments of the video on minimal wage that it proves a zero sum relationship between employer and employee, since if it was non-zero sum then regardless how much workers were paid in wages they couldn't become a burden, that workers can only become a burden in this way by the relationship in regard to wage and rate of profit being zero sum.

[Dean]

I was on Youtube just minding my own business when my rationality was assaulted by a 3+ minute long ad talking about why SWEATSHOPS are GOOD. In summation, he basically said that without capitalists holding the leash of poor black africans they would all starve themselves to death. I searched for the actual posted video of it in hope that all of the comments and ratings would be negative, however nearly everyone seemed to be in agreement. There are other videos such as how "corporation are people" and "minimum wages are bad for workers". They seem incapable of understanding that working constantly and earning next to nothing isn't actually better than being unemployed.

www.LearnLiberty.Org (http://www.LearnLiberty.Org) and www.Youtube.com/user/LearnLiberty (http://www.Youtube.com/user/LearnLiberty) are disgusting. How can we stop people from falling subject to these carefully produced lies?

The predominant economic narrative in the liberal countries is that liberal economics is the only path to salvation, and that economic woes are exclusively the consequence of overbearing regulation and the influence of labor. The foundation of this ideology is the notion that free actors in a market make the best decisions, and wherever the market isn't free, people suffer.

Most of the people making those arguments aren't rich themselves - but think they could be if only the poor folk weren't in their way. For the most part, when they become lumpenproletarian (because these are usually the same people who can't make it on their own and rely on vested power and state handouts) they will give up the ideology because it will cease to provide moral consolation to identify with the elites.

[rylasasin]

There's even one there where they try prop up/promote aynd rand as some sort of hero.

... That's one of the few videos on that channel that doesn't have a very good reaction though. I find that rather funny.

They'll buy all the bullshit about how capitalism is wonderful, they'll buy that crap about sweatshops being good, they'll buy the whole "without capitalists blacks africans would starve themselves to death" crap....

... but apparently proping up aynd rand is something even youtube reactionaries draw the line at.