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shinjuku dori
1st July 2012, 16:03
"RedAnarchist".

Is there some kind of Anarchist who is not red?:blink:

Deicide
1st July 2012, 16:11
http://fc02.deviantart.net/fs71/f/2010/022/a/c/Anarcho_Capitalism_by_arcaviir.jpg

Prometeo liberado
1st July 2012, 18:29
Go to RAAN. Lip service only to the Red part.

shinjuku dori
1st July 2012, 23:37
Is yellow anarchist someone who wants to support Labor Party and reject authority?:blink:

Raúl Duke
1st July 2012, 23:49
Hey, I liek RAAN. A bit. Fun times were had when the RAANistas were around.

Comrade Trollface
2nd July 2012, 00:24
Anarcho-capitalists, national anarchists. They're anarchists in the same sense that national socialists and state capitalists are socialists though.

Then again there are anarcho-individualists who genuinely are anarchists, but not 'red' in any sense. Then there is the red-green split, but people on both sides of the split tend to be both red and green so its mostly a matter of focus and style. But focus determines praxis and praxis determines theory so meh.

Agent Ducky
2nd July 2012, 20:06
http://fc02.deviantart.net/fs71/f/2010/022/a/c/Anarcho_Capitalism_by_arcaviir.jpg

Fuck these guys, seriously.
You could argue that they're not even real anarchists because capitalism=hierarchy.

Comrade Trollface
2nd July 2012, 22:34
Some Proudhonists wouldn't consider themselves 'red' either.

MarxSchmarx
3rd July 2012, 04:28
green anarchists

PC LOAD LETTER
3rd July 2012, 19:30
Fuck these guys, seriously.
You could argue that they're not even real anarchists because capitalism=hierarchy.
You could toss out that article where their Lord and Savior Murray Rothbard says "No, dipshits! We aren't actually anarchists!"

http://www.lewrockwell.com/rothbard/rothbard167.html


We must therefore conclude that we are not anarchists, and that those who call us anarchists are not on firm etymological ground, and are being completely unhistorical.

Also: http://mises.org/daily/5415

And, thirdly, I also argue the logical conclusion of anarcho-capitalism is neofeudalism (http://pastebin.com/Wf4wH2MH) (post I made on another forum) because of market centralization, mercenary forces, etc. (Just a suggestion, but one that seems to work well for me)

Raúl Duke
3rd July 2012, 19:38
The reason why there's a "red anarchist" distinction has to do with its history.

Anarchism has probably been around longer then Marxism.

Before people like Bakunin, anarchism wasn't quite socialist at all...if it were it was of the utopian socialist variety at the most. Proudhon and such devised "mutualist" type. If anything, anarchism came out of liberalism plus as a reaction against the changes that capitalism was bringing about in the 1800s.

But these other, older types of anarchism have become mostly superseded by "libertarian socialism" or "red anarchism" which puts it focus on the working class, is more anti-capitalism than anti-state (it just sees the state as incompatible with socialism), and in recent times it has evolved in a way where one can see many Marxist elements within anarchism.

Comrade Trollface
3rd July 2012, 19:45
Which reminds me- what is it with Marxists harping on about how Anarchism evolved out of the Liberal tradition as if Marx himself emerged fully formed out of Zeus's skull?:laugh:
Not something that I'm accusing anyone in this thread of doing, but Duke's post just happened to bring that to mind.