Is RevLeft the greatest repository of the class doctrine?

[el_chavista]

The party is not formed on the basis of individual consciousness. It not only is impossible for each and every proletarian to be conscious of the class doctrine, much less master it intellectually; but such a thing is not even possible for each party militant taken separately. Such a guarantee cannot even be given by the leaders, but only exists in the organic unity of the party.
I can't think of another site where scientific socialism is that handy, expedite to learn, thanks to a collective of comrades that make class conscious be alive. Otherwise you'd have to peak the original sources (MIA, Marxists.org, etc) the hard way: alone and without a clue of the immense task of getting by yourself the main ideas of communism.

[Deicide]

Yeah, thanks revleft. I just wanna say, I love all you guys, including you Stalinists :blushing:

Tendency hugzzz

[shinjuku dori]

Yes. Proletarian class.

[Ocean Seal]

I wonder if revleft truly is the mass party. I find time and again that I stumble onto something greater each time that I am on this site. I just can't get myself to leave.

[Book O'Dead]

I can't think of another site where scientific socialism is that handy, expedite to learn, thanks to a collective of comrades that make class conscious be alive. Otherwise you'd have to peak the original sources (MIA, Marxists.org, etc) the hard way: alone and without a clue of the immense task of getting by yourself the main ideas of communism.

You must be joking. Revleft is a virtual tower of Babel.

If you want to read some of the stupidest and least-informed posts in the internet, come to Revleft.

[shinjuku dori]

You must be joking. Revleft is a virtual tower of Babel.

If you want to read some of the stupidest and least-informed posts in the internet, come to Revleft.

Especially to read your fundamental contributions.

[Ocean Seal]

You must be joking. Revleft is a virtual tower of Babel.

If you want to read some of the stupidest and least-informed posts in the internet, come to Revleft.
Two things
1. Why do you post here?
2. Have you ever been anywhere else on the internet. I don't even mean scumfront, rather youtube, or the aol/yahoo comment section. You'll generally find shitty discussion there, and don't forget reddit especially anything having to do with Ron Paul or atheism.

[Book O'Dead]

Especially to read your fundamental contributions.

Thank you!

[Book O'Dead]

Two things
1. Why do you post here?
2. Have you ever been anywhere else on the internet. I don't even mean scumfront, rather youtube, or the aol/yahoo comment section. You'll generally find shitty discussion there, and don't forget reddit especially anything having to do with Ron Paul or atheism.

I used to use the newsgroups in Newsnet like soc.politics.socialism-trotskly. and others like it.

I really miss that part of the internet.

But, there too was an endless stream of whacked out people posting all manner of awful things.

I just feel that Revleft is a magnet for all manner of whackos and teeny-boppers who only come here to vent their latest infatuations and fantasies.
Revleft has enormous potential to become a premiere site for radical discussion and as a possible rallying point for revolutionaries worldwide, but it's kept back from achieving those goals by the apparent laxity and lack of rigor on the part of some of its moderators.

[ed miliband]

nah, that's libcom

[Book O'Dead]

Sorry, I meant to say "Usenet (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Usenet)", not "Newsnet".

[Geiseric]

I kinda agree with Booko'thedead on this one, at least in some cases. Tankie teenagers really don't belong in general discussions, i always was dumbfounded by them when every "leftist," at my school knew this one tankie who totally fucked their politics at an early point. I'm a pretty intolerant person (in politics) but the line has to be drawn somewhere.

[Q]

You must be joking. Revleft is a virtual tower of Babel.

If you want to read some of the stupidest and least-informed posts in the internet, come to Revleft.

I agree for 90% with this. The other 10% consists of users that do have something useful to tell, meaningful discussions, insightful arguments.

But yeah, 90% is just teen ego, stalin vs trotsky, molotov-cocktail fueled raging and trolls.

C'est la vie.

[Prometeo liberado]

As long you see leftist ripping apart other leftist, you know its a true lefty sight. Yah, good stuff huh? Welcome to the class unity we all dreamed of.:(

[Book O'Dead]

I agree for 90% with this. The other 10% consists of users that do have something useful to tell, meaningful discussions, insightful arguments.

But yeah, 90% is just teen ego, stalin vs trotsky, molotov-cocktail fueled raging and trolls.

C'est la vie.

Assuming that the ratios you assert are correct or even close, the attitude of resigned panache seems inappropriate.

Should the people who actually run this site feel like you about it?

[Q]

Assuming that the ratios you assert are correct or even close, the attitude of resigned panache seems inappropriate.

Should the people who actually run this site feel like you about it?

Not sure I get your question. Could you rephrase it?

[Book O'Dead]

As long you see leftist ripping apart other leftist, you know its a true lefty sight. Yah, good stuff huh? Welcome to the class unity we all dreamed of.:(

You might have hit upon something here, brother.

Could it be that overt and covert sectarian squabbles attract unwanted attention from the people we've previously characterized?

[Prometeo liberado]

You might have hit upon something here, brother.

Could it be that overt and covert sectarian squabbles attract unwanted attention from the people we've previously characterized?

Yup, egos and petty, jealous people who would otherwise get no notice elsewhere. Add to that those who refuse to want to learn, by that I mean saying "I was wrong". Unheard of here.

[Book O'Dead]

Not sure I get your question. Could you rephrase it?

Sorry. I used "panache" where I should have said "indifference".

IOW's, I meant to say that if you're correct in your ratios then expressing resigned indifference would be wrong.

And I asked if that's an attitude Admin should share.

[Book O'Dead]

Yup, egos and petty, jealous people who would otherwise get no notice elsewhere. Add to that those who refuse to want to learn, by that I mean saying "I was wrong". Unheard of here.

Hey, wait a minute! You just described me!

[Prometeo liberado]

Hey, wait a minute! You just described me!

Take it where you can get it, right?

[helot]

Yup, egos and petty, jealous people who would otherwise get no notice elsewhere. Add to that those who refuse to want to learn, by that I mean saying "I was wrong". Unheard of here.

I've never seen a single person online say they were wrong. It's actually quite funny when you think about it. As a "debate" (official word but i feel its more like a pissing contest) goes on the less it is about the actual content and more about trying to save face. If you're sneaky enough you can get people to start arguing against the position they first started with and yet they'll be adamant they didn't change their position.


Oh silly humans.

[Deicide]

Revleft is the revolutionary vanguard at the forefront of the upcoming world Communist revolution.

[Q]

Revleft is the revolutionary vanguard at the forefront of the upcoming world Communist revolution.
If that was so, I'm afraid the world revolution is doomed and we can just quit with this thing.

[Comrade Trollface]

No offense, but I sincerely hope not. Well, maybe some offense.

[Ocean Seal]

There is quite a lot of shit on these boards, (and a lot of it is due to the fact that shitty one liners get a lot of rep) and a lot of good posters have been banned but come the fuck on name some better discussion forums? I'm serious, people take discussion quite seriously here, and while there are sectarian drills and posters that I don't like on this forum I could start naming them, but whats the point, I really think that we've found a good place to have discussions. I'm not entirely sure what people want. People have egos yes, and the internet is the best place to let it out, why because no one can see you and you can stop talking to people at will. Some of the most insightful information that I read comes form the debates that we have here.
Posters like Q, Rafiq, Labor Days, DNZ (when I understand him), Omsk, Ismail, bcbm, Decide, xx1994xx, Dwanye Wade, Ghost Bebel, #FF0000 Majakovskij, and banned posters like Amphictyonis, Zeronowhere and Zanthorus were all great people to debate with and learn from.

[Hit The North]

Boy, there are some snooty replies in this thread. I'd like to thank el chavista for his post and concur that I am also pleased that RevLeft exists and think that it is sometimes a good resource and a stimulating community. Cheers.

Now, can someone move this thread to non-political where it belongs?

[Raúl Duke]

I wish revleft was like a pub or series of pubs lined up in one street and that the people were a bit more open for casual chit-chat (there are those who don't like even the existence of the whole chit-chat forum, what bores) and playing a few rounds of darts and billards. If it were like that I would be here more often.

But yeah, it does helps people get relevant knowledge and news and be part of a discussion about left theory.

[TrotskistMarx]

I think it is, the other discussion boards, alternative news websites that have a comments section like http://www.commondreams.org http://www.truthdig.com http://www.informationclearinghouse.info http://www.alternet.org and many other progressive news websites with lots of members who debate about the articles and news posted on those websites and many others like those post great articles against the wars, even against capitalism, zionism. The concentration of wealth in a few and poverty in the many. And many other problems. And even though lots of marxists participate in those discussion-news websites, they don't go deep enough to the heart of the matter of the capitalism system which is the system of ownership of businesses by the private sector. And most of their articles do not propose the creation of united leftist workers fronts in each of the nations like Palestine, Syria, Spain Greece and other European and world nation with economic problems.

I think they view politics and the world from a personalist world-view, not from a class world view.


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I can't think of another site where scientific socialism is that handy, expedite to learn, thanks to a collective of comrades that make class conscious be alive. Otherwise you'd have to peak the original sources (MIA, Marxists.org, etc) the hard way: alone and without a clue of the immense task of getting by yourself the main ideas of communism.

[el_chavista]

Boy, there are some snooty replies in this thread. I'd like to thank el chavista for his post and concur that I am also pleased that RevLeft exists and think that it is sometimes a good resource and a stimulating community. Cheers.you're welcome.


Now, can someone move this thread to non-political where it belongs?Are you sure? Internet may be considered the new "Iskra" fulfilling the need of organizing all the sects and tendencies in a world sole movement.

[Tim Finnegan]

Tim Finnegan is the greatest repository of the class doctrine.

[Comrade Trollface]

Your mother is the greatest repository of working class doctrine.