Sociology influenced by the spanish collectives?

[Traveller]

The existance of the collectives during the 36-39 revolutionary period was one of the most radical social experiments. Freeacess was created (at least in some small communitys),and where was no freeacess a lot of things were distributed freely.How did this affected the people exactly?

Egalitarian self-organization was full,the eradication of capaitalist symbols and attitudes reached a high level. How deep was this exactly on a wide scale?

I read in Orwells book that the gypsy integration was not too sucessfull:they were poor and not indcluded to same processes as the white workers. Why was that?

Have you ever heard about a sociologist talk about the achivements of the civil war?(Or revolutionary period,if you like it better.)What was her/his opinion?Did this prove any sociological theory or refute it?

If there is any sociologist in revleft I would intrested about her/his opinion on the topic.

[Traveller]

Anyway,gypsy integration is a hard topic:I also heard (cant recall where) that Makhno had problems with it. Bit it is possible that I am not right.

[Tim Cornelis]

I think you might be overstating the success of the Spanish revolution.

[electrostal]

Gypsies/Romani are still "social outsiders" in most European countries, they live on the margins of the society.

I don't know about about the communes in Spain but i don't think it could have possibly been something that awesome. Free access is nice, but it's even better when you actually have something to "access". Spain was dirt-poor and war made it even worse. There was rationing and so on.

[Traveller]

I think you might be overstating the success of the Spanish revolution.

No,I do not.I see also its disadvantages,and weakness of the working class.
(ethical diversification,oppurtiuist syndicalist leaderhsip,stanlism etc),so dont think that I mystificate it. And of course,as a Trotskyist I am far more critical than anarchists,who think it was a moment which validate themselves.

[helot]

There was rationing and so on.

there would also be rationing during the successful revolution because that shit is chaotic. Any revolution that doesn't result in the necessity of rationing doesn't even try to touch the institution of private property.



And of course,as a Trotskyist I am far more critical than anarchists,who think it was a moment which validate themselves.

and trots don't do that to do with Russia? I find anarchists far more honest and critical about Spain than trots and MLs are about Russia.