LIBERAL TELLING YOU ALL TO RESPECT FREEDOM

[sadangelclown]

I'm a liberal myself; not as radical as you, in fact I'm quite anti-Communist, but still liberal. I once considered myself an anarchist but today I would label myself as moderate on economic issues, libertarian on social issues.

Would you please start respecting opposing viewpoints? You are tarnishing liberals everywhere by actually having a section of your site devoted to "opposing viewpoints". Political discourse is key to democracy. Not allowing discourse is tantamount to declaring yourselves in the same political vein as Hitler, Stalin, and well, Castro. You can't call conservatives Nazis when you are authoritarian yourselves. Please accept opposing viewpoints, don't push them off to their own forum. There's nothing intellectual about sharing your views with those who agree; true intellectuals test their philosophies and ideologies against those who strongly disagree. I post on www.protestwarrior.com to test my own viewpoints, and am frustrated that they view leftists as authoritarian Nazis, with a lot of their evidence being the actions of this site. My only defense is that most leftists act with more deference to freedom than you.

[Pete]

Trust me, we do not agree with ourselves about most things. At one time things where as you said, and but before I joined the operater of this site tired of all of the flames against leftism that sprouted by the intermixing of capitalists and communists, and since it is a site for leftists, he created this forum. It was, then, called "Socialism vs Capitalism" but changed with the change over of the board into its current format. This is not a country, but a message board. And as I said we get enough internal disagreements that we do not need the rightwingers posting 'cutie pie' and other such things all over the place. To judge a site by its forums is stupid. Other sites ban those who have different opinions, we let them in, but not to disrupt the main purpose of the site.

-Pete

[synthesis]

There is no censorship at Che-Lives. (Well, with the exception of racism, sexism, and homophobia; I don't agree with automatically expelling certain odious reactionary dogmas, but that's the rule for now, so I can just work to change it.)

As I was saying, there is no censorship at Che-Lives. There is only containment.

[Exploited Class]

If this was an "Open Politics" board, ran by liberals, and they only allowed conservative views in one area, I would agree with you. Or if this was a liberal board that was setup to challenge the right wings and only had one mission and that was to slander them, it should be completely open everywhere.

Since it is neither of those things and is primarily a place for leftists to discuss topics with other leftists on things and not want everything to be a leftist vs. right wings views on every single topic right wing views are in another forum.

If we didn't want to hear opposing views and we truly were about censorship, opposing views would have no place to post. Don't confuse structure and practicality with silencing the voice of your opponent. It makes little sense to try and make real life mimic one message board or vice versa.

I am sure there are plenty of right wing websites that do not allow any voice of opposition to post, that you can use in your debate with protestwarriors to show that the right wing is completely against opposing voices.

Or better yet, why not just bring up George Bush's "Freedom Areas" or "Freedom Zones" whatever he calls them. Because you know, that is REAL LIFE, and not some message board.

Censorship or removal of freedom of speech would be somebody not wanting the opposition to be able to use the internet at all.

I was at a guinea pig forum, they had an areas for just Guinea Pig discussions and then one area just for "other pets". I didn't jump to the conclusion that they were against owners of "other pets" or wanted to silence the voices of "other pets" owners.

[Exploited Class]

I am just wondering but, let's say Al Gore and Dean go and meet at a place and just talk among themselves about issues and how to fix those problems, but they didn't invite George Bush. Are they against freedom of speech?

Or let's say all the democrats in the senate get together to talk about issues effecting America and they want to figure out they should all feel about it. They don't invite the republicans for obvious reasons. Later they go out and debate it in the senate, in a place structured for that. At the meeting where they against freedom of speech because they didn't invite every opposing voice?

Since you want to make a web board to immulate real life.

and I am sorry that you feel the need to 'try' and debate with people that if they say a liberal jay walk, would say all liberals are against law and order.

[sadangelclown]

I am sorry that you don't know how to spell emulate.

Sure, you have every right to ban them, or cordon them off to a separate area-- my point is, it's stupid to want to. You should accept criticsm. And come on, what are you really discussing communism for? Do you honestly think that conservative posts will impede you from your ultra-important discussions? Because-- and I'm going to be painfully honest here-- discussions concerning the viability of American communism are inherently misguided.

[Pete]

Did you read a single post? I'm sorry if you don't like it but the truth is that the rightists will and do post in the 'ultra-important' discussions and would try to point out 'fatal flaws' in our ideology. It is a bit utopian to think that they wouldn't. I mean having a utopia is a good idea, but that does not mean it is practicle.


discussions concerning the viability of American communism are inherently misguided

I am going to be honest too: you're full of shit. I invite you to look around, and see what is happening here before making that generalizations (it is two in one: you think a) we are all American and b) we talk about the 'viability' of communism... it is more the viability of different strands)....

-Pete

[synthesis]

Originally posted by [email protected] 15 2003, 12:12 AM
I am sorry that you don't know how to spell emulate.
Seriously, how big of a loser do you have to be to correct people on their spelling?


Do you honestly think that conservative posts will impede you from your ultra-important discussions?

Clearly you missed the point of EC's analogies. If a bunch of Democrats are meeting in Barbara Streisand's enormous mansion, and she decided not to allow conservatives in to yell insults at them, it's the exact same fucking thing.

[Don't Change Your Name]

Originally posted by [email protected] 14 2003, 10:06 PM
Would you please start respecting opposing viewpoints? You are tarnishing liberals everywhere by actually having a section of your site devoted to "opposing viewpoints". Political discourse is key to democracy. Not allowing discourse is tantamount to declaring yourselves in the same political vein as Hitler, Stalin, and well, Castro. You can't call conservatives Nazis when you are authoritarian yourselves. Please accept opposing viewpoints, don't push them off to their own forum. There's nothing intellectual about sharing your views with those who agree; true intellectuals test their philosophies and ideologies against those who strongly disagree. I post on www.protestwarrior.com to test my own viewpoints, and am frustrated that they view leftists as authoritarian Nazis, with a lot of their evidence being the actions of this site. My only defense is that most leftists act with more deference to freedom than you.
Excuse me, but on every single site I've been about political ideologies they have a forum for "the opposition". That includes fascist's forum, capitalist's forums, socialist's forums, anarchist's forums... that's because the other sections are for those who who follow the ideology to speak without someone from the opposition getting by and ruining their quiet chat. Some people like doing that, and some even do it. After all in the rotestwarrior.com forum there is a "Mail" forum for "the others" to talk.
This type of forums are for a certain group of people with simmilar interests to come and discuss. This forum is for leftists, but as surely there are many who come here with their damn capitalist ideals they have this forum to discuss that. The right of people with simmilar interests to have a peaceful way of communicating should be important in a democracy.

[Sabocat]

I'm a liberal myself; not as radical as you, in fact I'm quite anti-Communist, but still liberal. I once considered myself an anarchist but today I would label myself as moderate on economic issues, libertarian on social issues.


Let me guess. You were an anarchist in high school/college because it was the cool thing to be, dark and mysterious etc, etc. You most likely come from a fairly well off family of Centrist Republicans who voted for Ross Perot (if you're from the U$)

Today you're working in a job that pays you a decent salary (probably your first, or at least highest paying), moderate on economics because you have deluded yourself into thinking that you'll be rich one day like your heroes Bill Gates, or Kenneth Lay, and are libertarian on social issues, because you don't like paying taxes that go to helping your fellow man. They should be able to stand on their own two feet and succeed like you right? You are most likely supportive of eliminating Welfare and any other social programs.

You consider yourself liberal because you probably have friends or know people of color or homosexuals, and you don't openly advocate descriminating against them.



How'd I do? ;)

[sadangelclown]

Wrong on all counts! Wow!

a) I didn't broadcast that I was an anarchist; I simply enjoyed reading leftist history and essays by Emma Goldman.

b) I come from a family of moderate yet extremely partisan Democrats, and we are lower middle class.

c) I am a freshman at NYU.

d) Wouldn't you consider tax policy to fall under economics?
I don't support eliminating welfare. In fact, I support reducing the defense budget and spending much more on public education through grants to states.

e) That has nothing to do with why I consider myself liberal.


What a superb psychoanalysis, "Disgustapated". Too bad you're a fucking idiot, huh.

[RedCeltic]

Would you please start respecting opposing viewpoints?


We do, that's why we have a whole forum for such a thing. I am sorry if you can not respect our right to debate leftist politics amongst ourselves. From past experience on this board I can assure you that there are a number of people who are very upset that people even have the right to talk about this topic at all, much less have a whole website dedicated to Che.


You are tarnishing liberals everywhere by actually having a section of your site devoted to "opposing viewpoints".


I don't see how we are tarnishing the image of liberals when the liberals are not anti-capitalists, and there are very few liberals on this messageboard.



Political discourse is key to democracy. Not allowing discourse is tantamount to declaring yourselves in the same political vein as Hitler, Stalin, and well, Castro. You can't call conservatives Nazis when you are authoritarian yourselves.

You can have all the discourse you need in this forum, but I will not have you flaming the board... posting messages in a thread about a protest in Practice saying, "You pinkos are wasting your time" posting in Che Guevara "Che was an evil murderer" etc... you can do all that in this forum thank you very much.


There's nothing intellectual about sharing your views with those who agree; true intellectuals test their philosophies and ideologies against those who strongly disagree.

You obviously don't know much about the left in the world today. We are very fractioned. There are social-democrats, marxists, marxist-deleonists, marxist-leninists, Trotskyites, Stalinists, Anarchists, anarchist collectivists, anarchist individualists, green anarchists anarchist syndiclists, trade unionists, industrial unionists, world socialists, maoists, etc...etc...etc....

Believe me, there is enough to debate over among ourselves without the likes of you. You saying that you should have the right to post all over our board is like the bosses saying that they have a right to attend union meetings.

Sorry, that logic doesn't work with me.



I post on www.protestwarrior.com to test my own viewpoints, and am frustrated that they view leftists as authoritarian Nazis, with a lot of their evidence being the actions of this site. My only defense is that most leftists act with more deference to freedom than you.

If you can't tell the difference between a messageboard and real life I really can't help you.

[RedCeltic]

What a superb psychoanalysis, "Disgustapated". Too bad you're a fucking idiot, huh.

And you think you should be able to post this kind of thing all over this messageboard? I don't think so.

[Sabocat]

You're the fucking idiot.

So you considered yourself an anarchist but quite anti-Communist? That doesn't even make sense.

Thanks for proving my point.

[Saint-Just]

You have a liberal bourgeois view. We view liberals as similarly restrictive towards freedom as Nazis. In capitalist society, society is divided into classes and in class society bourgeois thought prevails. Bourgeois thought pervades the social consciousness and in bourgeois society there is not freedom for the masses. We aim to create a movement which will remove the means of production from a few and give them to the masses. Once the masses have control society will reflect their will, their will to progress and create a society that is not constrained by an economic class and maintaining their rule. Socialism will facilitate freedom in this fashion. Freedom is not solely about the free conflict of ideas, it first requires creating a society in which people are conscious of freedom and how they can express it. At present they are constrained about what we perceive to be false preconseptions about society, we see bourgeois ideology as ignoring material reality and the ideology as not a real analysis of society and history from an objective view point but rather an analysis created to maintain a system of inequity that benefits certain groups of people.

Liberalism is an ideology than ignores ideological struggle, as such your views on freedom are not compatible with ours and coming to this site and saying what you have said shows you do not fully understand socialism. Maybe by participating here and reading posts you may understand socialism and see the fundamental differences between your view of freedom and ours. Your bourgeois concept of freedom can be used to criticise our concept of freedom but you cannot say that we do not value freedom.

Even if you disregard what I have said the above posts that detail the nature of this forum also show your comment to be largely irrelevent.

[The Feral Underclass]

sadangelclown

Oh don't ya just love it.....

sadangelclown

I once considered myself an anarchist

sadangelclown

I didn't broadcast that I was an anarchist

Make your mind up mate...and reading some essays by Emma Goldman does not qualify you as an anarchist....


I'm quite anti-Communist

I suspect you have know idea what communism is, so how you can be anti-communist I don't know.


Would you please start respecting opposing viewpoints?

What you mean racists and bigots? Their viewpoints should be fought against with fists if needs be, not respected.


You are tarnishing liberals everywhere by actually having a section of your site devoted to "opposing viewpoints".

I dont think you'll find many liberals on this board. As it has been said already, this board is not for right wingers. This is a message board for left wing and radical left wing people to discuss LEFT WING THEORY!!! As redceltic said we have enough to argue about among ourselves to be having right wing bigots, who quite frankly know nothing about left-wing politics except how to call us all liberal whiners. This is not a message board to argue with right wingers.


Political discourse is key to democracy.

Who's democracy...Not workers democracy?


Not allowing discourse is tantamount to declaring yourselves in the same political vein as Hitler, Stalin, and well, Castro.

I like the hesitation before Castro. The sign of a true liberal. You lot are affraid of your own shadow...For a start Castro isnt a communist. Maybe he was at one point but I think he has resigned himself to the fact it aint ever going to be achieved.

antoher thing, and I am repeationg myself and others, this is not a website for political differences across the whole spectrum. This is a political message board for LEFT WING people.


true intellectuals test their philosophies and ideologies against those who strongly disagree.

Intellectual ability is not defined by how many political beliefs you are tolerant off.


I post on www.protestwarrior.com to test my own viewpoints, and am frustrated that they view leftists as authoritarian Nazis,

We have more important things to concern ourselves with than what people on protestwarrior think about us.


with a lot of their evidence being the actions of this site.

With a great lack of political and critical perspective I am not suprised. It is amazing how they can judge an entire social philosophy on the fact this is a leftist website... :blink:


My only defense is that most leftists act with more deference to freedom than you.

Oh per-lease!!! get over yourself!!!


Sure, you have every right to ban them, or cordon them off to a separate area-- my point is, it's stupid to want to.

We have threads which are for left wing people only...Most right wingers dont have a clue about 99% of the things that are discussed on this board. if they were given a free reign we would end up having to argue against them, instead of debating the issues. This is also a place for people to come and learn. How can people learn if we are being bombarded with posts from people who really have no idea what they are talking about.


You should accept criticsm.

that is why we have an opposing ideologies forum. The rest of the board is used to discuss leftist issues and theory. Not to argue with right wingers.


And come on, what are you really discussing communism for?

You prove my point.


Do you honestly think that conservative posts will impede you from your ultra-important discussions?

They do!!!


Because-- and I'm going to be painfully honest here-- discussions concerning the viability of American communism are inherently misguided.

Fine. Then start a thread in opposing ideology and lets debate about the issue. Do not come into the theory thread where sensitive discussions about the details of the philosophy are being discussed and bombard us with ignorant prejudices which have no relevance to what is being discussed.



What a superb psychoanalysis, "Disgustapated". Too bad you're a fucking idiot, huh.

you see!!! We dont want this in the whole board...

[CASTRO_SUCKS]

Originally posted by Chairman [email protected] 15 2003, 02:57 PM
You have a liberal bourgeois view. We view liberals as similarly restrictive towards freedom as Nazis.
Yeah mao...THIS coming from someone that wanted me banned because I was actually making sense and had FACTS that went directly against your views? Someone that has chosen by some "underground PM movement" to stay away and aks others to stay away from my posts? Yeah....ok MAO! :blink:


Sadangelclown:Don't believe EVERYTHING these guys tell you! Some will want you to believe their ideals don't restrict a person's freedoms. They'll try and make you believe that capitalism/liberalism keeps a person down. They can't fool themselves though!

This site will ban you at the drop of a hat should you start making too much sense! I remember when I first came on here....there was this other member by the name of "Comrade Zapata"..one of the smarter more respectful of the members on here. He had his eyes open to what I was saying....well, lo and behold, MANY of those on this board just crushed him under the weight of their taunts and insults. They labeled him a capitalist, a traitor, and a sympathizer of mine! This guy knew A LOT of what I was talking about and MUCH of cuba's and castro's history. Well, I think he finally gave in to the pressure and was either banned from the board or has been too terrified to even respond to any of my posts! Too bad...he had some good feedback!

On this site's defense (god, I can't believe I'm doing this): There ARE intelligent and respectful people on this board willing to debate and thus willing to teach and learn from our differing views. They WILL restrict you to the opposing Ideologies board, which is actually MORE than FINE by me since I have nothing to read or post about on their other forums. If you DO stick around, you WILL learn something and start to understand (if but begridgingly) SOME of their views and ideals. Unfortunately, the MAJORITY of them don't even want to hear NOR believe facts, and WILL sling insults at you, and try to clutter your posts with nonsensical (and sightless) ravings. And of course there are yet those that strangely use the word "bourgeois" in every other sentence. I'll leave that to you to learn who all those individuals are.

[CASTRO_SUCKS]

Welcome aboard though. Just keep an open mind and check your feelings at the door though.

[cubist]

mean whil back in the jungle where important issues that matter to the people who aren't restricted on the site

[The Feral Underclass]

Castro, take notice of the other posts and the explinations given to sandangelclown. If you really dislike it here that much you are always welcome to leave the board and not post here. No one is forcing you to have all this woe and heart ache inflicted on you. You have a choice.

[Jaha]

yeah, this is to all the people who feel oppressed on this site.

conservatives are not very welcome on this sole basis. we are done arguing. we arent going to be converted to the ways of the right-winger. there is no point to keep at it when the issue is resolved. this site is where liberals hone their ideas. they try to clarify their own opinions.

for example, i know i dont agree with capitalism at all. but, im not sure exactly what kind of communism i want to see. here i can discuss with my comrades on the future of leftist society.

there is no point for the conservatives to come here but we welcome you anyways. you are restricted because that battle is done in our minds.

oh, and dont use protestwarrior.com in your defense. they arent any better.

their slogan "fighting the left.... doing it right"
then they got these forums:
"the enemy"-where they "study" the liberal ideal
"command and control" -like che's "action" forum

a thing posted by the adminstrator himself states that he wants liberals to put up a convincing arguement and then says "bring it on" but the thread is locked so that liberals cant respond....

the moral of the story? liberals want some time to themselves and so do conservatives. why dont you respect that freedom?

ahama

[The Feral Underclass]

I agree with everything you say Jaha. The only problem I has is being labelled a Liberal. In the contemporary use of the word I am not a liberal.

[Saint-Just]

Originally posted by CASTRO_SUCKS+Dec 15 2003, 06:37 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (CASTRO_SUCKS @ Dec 15 2003, 06:37 PM)
Chairman [email protected] 15 2003, 02:57 PM
You have a liberal bourgeois view. We view liberals as similarly restrictive towards freedom as Nazis.
Yeah mao...THIS coming from someone that wanted me banned because I was actually making sense and had FACTS that went directly against your views? Someone that has chosen by some "underground PM movement" to stay away and aks others to stay away from my posts? Yeah....ok MAO&#33; :blink: [/b]
And I would still advocate that.

I wanted you banned because your views could influence some people. Evidently they influenced Comrade Zapata and some others I remember. You were going to be restricted regardless for being a capitalist. I would not pursue any action against you because I think I am probably as likely as you to get banned from this site.

Your views on Cuba appeared as U.S. propaganda, that was rather corruscating towards Cuba. I think Cuba and Che give this site a great deal of its identity, so to bring those kind of views here seems detrimental towards this site. I don&#39;t think my criticism of the posts that initiated this thread has anything to do with me suggesting that you should be banned, and I think my criticism is reasonable. Simply it was that he was evaluating the level of freedom on this site from a liberal, bourgeois perspective and as such his comments had little weight with us. Furthermore, he supposed socialists on this site do not value freedom. We do, but we value it from a socialist perspective. What he was saying was fundamentally wrong, what would have been correct is to criticise our view of freedom with his liberal view of freedom. He did not do this, he assumed that freedom was the same from our perspective as it is from his.

If anything needs adding to those comments it is how socialists see freedom; I explained that in my last post. I think your posts about me advocating you being banned is inane and irrelevent in this subject, seemingly you ignored the points made in my previous post.

[CASTRO_SUCKS]

Originally posted by The Anarchist [email protected] 15 2003, 07:39 PM
Castro_Sucks, take notice of the other posts and the explinations given to sandangelclown. If you really dislike it here that much you are always welcome to leave the board and not post here. No one is forcing you to have all this woe and heart ache inflicted on you. You have a choice.


Ahhh CHOICE...it DOES feel SO good does it not? However, if you were to kindly REREAD my post, you&#39;d probably take notice of what I was trying to tell sadangelclown too.

PS-THIS is what you consider "woe and heartache"?? Stand in line for about 3 hours to recieve your monthly rations......work hard for what little you have, then see it taken away......watch loved ones being hauled away in the middle of the night for no reason.....THEN you can talk to me about "woe and heartache"&#33; This? This is a TREAT for me&#33;

[CASTRO_SUCKS]

Originally posted by Chairman Mao+Dec 15 2003, 10:12 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Chairman Mao @ Dec 15 2003, 10:12 PM) And I would still advocate that.[/b]
Then don&#39;t dare sit there on your "throne" and compare my views with Nazism&#33; As far as I can see, your precious ideology is as restricting as you claim mine to be&#33;


Originally posted by Chairman [email protected] 15 2003, 10:12 PM
I wanted you banned because your views could influence some people. Evidently they influenced Comrade Zapata and some others I remember.
If YOUR ideology doesn&#39;t hold enough water to permanently ally someone to it....to the point where you&#39;re scared MY little ole FACTUAL experiences with that murderous dictatorial regime you hold in such high regards would actually get someone with one iota of rationale to see the TRUTH, then perhaps something is wrong with your views, no? Perhaps allowing free thought shouldn&#39;t be practiced here? People should "Think the way you do or leave"? Yeah...THATS the kind of society I&#39;d like to be a part of. :blink: BESIDES, Comrade Zapata NEVER said he supported my views AT ALL&#33; He simply appears to have read A LOT on che and castro and is ABLE to differentiate between fact and fiction&#33; You call THAT being influenced by someone?&#33; I&#39;d say its someone expressing their knowledge on certain subjects...but thats just me&#33; :blink:


Originally posted by Chairman [email protected] 15 2003, 10:12 PM
You were going to be restricted regardless for being a capitalist.
Believe me...I have NO INTEREST in even viewing (let alone posting in) your other forums. THIS seems to be the forum where it is proper for me to speak and ask questions. It would be unfair for me to disrupt another forum.


Originally posted by Chairman [email protected] 15 2003, 10:12 PM
I would not pursue any action against you because I think I am probably as likely as you to get banned from this site.
So basically what you&#39;re saying is that you&#39;re scared/intimidated to express your true thoughts for fear of banishment? Is THAT the society YOU&#39;D like to live in? Analyze what you just wrote.


Chairman [email protected] 15 2003, 10:12 PM
Your views on Cuba appeared as U.S. propaganda.....so to bring those kind of views here seems detrimental towards this site.
Propaganda? How could it BE propaganda if I&#39;ve actually LIVED through much of the things you&#39;re SPECULATING on? The thing is you CHOOSE not to believe FACT and brush it off AS propaganda. Very convenient if I may say so. And last I checked...this IS the OPPOSING IDEOLOGIES. I would THINK that my views (no matter HOW contrary to your own they may be) are somewhat welcome here.I was informed in another post that socialists questioned everything...NOT try to brush it under the rug and IGNORE it.

[Exploited Class]

To be fair.

Castro_sucks stats

Opposing Ideologies
180 posts in this forum
( 98% of this member&#39;s posts )

You posted somewhere outside this forum at some point.


Believe me...I have NO INTEREST in even viewing (let alone posting in) your other forums.

That is why I restricted you. I use to only restrict once capitalists went to other forums, allowing them to police themselves. But so many abused that, that I had to stop because I couldn&#39;t tabs on everybody and do other server jobs.

[Bolshevika]

sadangelclown

Why don&#39;t you run along and campaign for Joe Lieberman or something?

Stop comparing Stalin to Hitler you liberal bourgeois capitalist pig :angry:

[CASTRO_SUCKS]

Originally posted by Exploited [email protected] 16 2003, 12:29 AM
To be fair.

Castro_sucks stats

Opposing Ideologies
180 posts in this forum
( 98% of this member&#39;s posts )

You posted somewhere outside this forum at some point.


Yeah....I thinks its when one of you guys moved one of my posts to another forum (I think it was my introduction or something). But my conviction STILL stands firm&#33; Thanks for caring enough to check though. ;)

[redstar2000]

Do you honestly think that conservative posts will impede you from your ultra-important discussions? Because-- and I&#39;m going to be painfully honest here-- discussions concerning the viability of American communism are inherently misguided.

Then why are you here at all? If we are "misguided", what makes you imagine that we are even going to listen to you?

http://anarchist-action.org/forums/images/smiles/redstar.gif

The RedStar2000 Papers (http://www.anarchist-action.org/marxists/redstar2000/)
A site about communist ideas

[The Feral Underclass]

Castro_sucks

I do not see the relevance of telling me the horrible things that may have happened to you...I am not defendng castro, I am defending this message board. You complain about how restrictive it is and I say if you dont like it you can leave. You seem to go on about how crap it yet you still post here...Fuck off if its that bad, no one is forcing you to stay.

[Saint-Just]

Then don&#39;t dare sit there on your "throne" and compare my views with Nazism&#33; As far as I can see, your precious ideology is as restricting as you claim mine to be&#33;

I claim your ideology to be restrictive because its view is constrained by the economic base of the prevailing system of society in our time; capitalism. I am trying to explain to you that you cannot criticise socialism for denying freedom when you do not seem to understand the socialist view of freedom. As socialists see it both liberalism and Nazism do not create free societies. I accept that from your view socialism and Nazism do not create free societies, however sadangelclown came here saying that we socialists were not valuing freedom from the liberal perspective. This is irrelevent because we are not liberals. What he should of done is criticised the socialist perspective of freedom. He did not, he assumed we had the same idea of freedom as him.

I won&#39;t answer any of your other points because last time I posted you failed to miss the point above, which was the most important.

[CASTRO_SUCKS]

Originally posted by The Anarchist [email protected] 16 2003, 07:13 AM
Castro_sucks

I do not see the relevance of telling me the horrible things that may have happened to you...I am not defendng castro, I am defending this message board. You complain about how restrictive it is and I say if you dont like it you can leave. You seem to go on about how crap it yet you still post here...Fuck off if its that bad, no one is forcing you to stay.
I&#39;ve had just about enough of you and your stupidity&#33; YOU fuck off if you can&#39;t read&#33; Can you read THAT? YOU fuck off &#33; Why don&#39;t you READ what I&#39;ve posted you dumbfuck&#33; Who the HELL was complaining here&#33; WHO?&#33; I&#39;m merely POINTING OUT to someone that is new here, that not everything is going to go their way&#33; SOMEONE NEW that doesn&#39;t know any better&#33; I have nothing against you defending this board...Shit if you bothered READING my post, you&#39;d see I defended it TOO&#33; The only thing I complain about is dumb immature FUCKS like you and a few other morons that have nothing better to add to this board/forum than a slew of insults and stupidity when things aren&#39;t going their way&#33; Like a little baby crying because it shit it&#39;s diapers&#33; Driving even BIGGER wedges between both our ideologies, instead of perhaps learning from each other&#33; You&#39;re so fucking IGNORANT that you don&#39;t even WANT to learn(or are incapable of it)&#33; Ignorance IS indeed bliss isn&#39;t it?&#33; The reason I stick around is that despite a TOOL like you, there ARE those willing to debate things properly&#33; See? I can LOWER myself to YOUR level little boy&#33; Put THAT in your bong and smoke it&#33;

And Mao: I DO understand your posts (believe it or not), but one cannot help but get a little defensive when being compared to a stinking Nazi. I hope YOU can understand THAT&#33;

[Bolshevika]

this site is where liberals hone their ideas. they try to clarify their own opinion

I don&#39;t understand Jaha. If this is a liberal cess pool which restricts fellow communists, then why don&#39;t you rename the board "Hillary-lives"?

Really, the banning isn&#39;t only limited to capitalists. I can see the extreme right-wingers being banned, but why moderate capitalists (although in real life they should be surpressed, they bring variety to debates) and even hardline Marxist-Leninists?

[The Feral Underclass]

Castro

you are exactly why we dont want right wingers on this forum. Look at your posts man. All you can do is swear and get angry...I wasnt directing anything at you. I am sorry you took offence to my choice of words but get over it. Your a middle aged man and you sound like a 14 year old who&#39;s had his porn mags stolen from him. get a life.

Nobody wants you on this board and this is why. Go and bother other people who have got more tolerance for dead beats like you&#33;

[CASTRO_SUCKS]

Originally posted by The Anarchist Tension+Dec 16 2003, 09:09 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (The Anarchist Tension @ Dec 16 2003, 09:09 PM).... Look at your posts man. All you can do is swear and get angry...I wasnt directing anything at you..... [/b]


Noooooooooooooooooow I&#39;m begining to see how this works&#33;&#33; Lets see if I got this right: You guys can cuss, insult and berate all YOU want...but when someone else with a valid opinion that invalidates your unproven one speaks up and defends him/herself from such attacks, then you guys turn the tables and become little angels&#33; Suddenly its the other person that, whats the phrase "always swears and gets angry"? Again, NICE TRY junior&#33; But you see, I was born at night, but not last night&#33; YOU weren&#39;t directing ANYTHING towards ME, huh? Would you like me to quote exactly what you said? something about "fucking off" does THAT ring a bell junior (hey you called me "middle aged" so you MUST be my junior)??

No, I&#39;ve said it before and I&#39;ll say it AGAIN...I have adopted a policy of "an eye for an eye" around here&#33; You take a swing at me, and I&#39;ll definitively land one on you&#33; Simple formula really....you respect me, I respect you and vice versa&#33;


Originally posted by The Anarchist [email protected] 16 2003, 09:09 PM
.... Nobody wants you on this board and this is why.
I know the REAL reason no one wants me around here junior...and that &#39;ain&#39;t&#39; it&#33;


The Anarchist [email protected] 16 2003, 09:09 PM
Go and bother other people who have got more tolerance....
You mean INTELLIGENCE?&#33;

[The Feral Underclass]

So...when are you leaving? :)

[synthesis]

Simple formula really....you respect me, I respect you and vice versa&#33;

Why would anyone want to respect you? The majority of Cubans do not want to have anything to do with your ideology. The fact that your beliefs would impose fascism and poverty on a nation of people so that a ruling elite can return to their previous life of exorbitant material possessions deprives you of any right to respect by the humanitarians on this board.

Respect is unnecessary, in your case. You are unworthy of it.