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Hiero
30th June 2012, 06:39
http://mondoweiss.net/2012/06/sam-harris-uncovered.html


The Devil sucks in the most devout. In theology fanatics make for easier marks for conversion than moderates because of the jitters and fright common to all such breeds who fear their minds will be colonised by the Satanic advance of the secular world. I’m a living testament to the perils of monkeying with fundamentalism. Years ago, long before God outgrew his diapers, I was a devout Muslim who took shelter in the sanctum of the mosque from the sweet offerings of the land because frequenting the bars and clubs of town threatened to rob my faith. The laidback Muslim, conversely, has no fear that downing a bottle of whiskey will corrupt his deathless soul provided he affirms the elemental doctrines of Islam; but it was my unhappy fate to be drawn into the clericalism of the Salafi crowd among whom I studied and got my Islamic training.
I soon found that my literalism contained the seeds of its own euthanasia for if the Quran was the literal and immovable word of Allah, then I would be a good sight happier sweating in the warmer climes of hell.
By the time I got round to reading Sam Harris then I was fairly acquainted with the atheist canon tenanted by thinkers like Russell, Mencken, Ingersoll and other torchbearers of reason who had reconfigured my synaptic wiring to banish any supernaturalism. And I was keen to add Harris to this proud tradition of God slayers. Happily, it was an easy task getting to like Sam: His prose style is readable with a gift for the bon mot, vital traits of the intellectual worthy.
Any review of Sam Harris and his work is a review essentially of politics. And from there I will begin my examination of his thought and work my way back to the question of religion for which he is better known. Harris gave a revealing interview recently to Tablet (http://www.tabletmag.com/jewish-life-and-religion/100757/qa-sam-harris/5) that best sums up the key themes of his political writing on the Middle East, Israel and the Western relation to Muslims :

“The Israelis are confronting people who will blow themselves up to kill the maximum number of noncombatants and will even use their own children as human shields. They’ll launch their missiles from the edge of a hospital or school so that any retaliation will produce the maximum number of innocent casualties. And they do all this secure in the knowledge that their opponents are genuinely worried about killing innocent people. It’s the most cynical thing imaginable. And yet within the moral discourse of the liberal West, the Israeli side looks like it’s the most egregiously insensitive to the cost of the conflict.”
It’s a claim recycled from his book The End of Faith (http://www.amazon.com/The-End-Faith-Religion-Terror/dp/0393327655) (2005), in which he maintains that Israel upholds the human rights of Palestinians to a high standard. His source? Alan Dershowitz. The spirit of the Zionist law attorney infuses a book in which he is approvingly quoted and in which he provides the basis for Harris’s ticking time bomb defence of torture. It’s not for nothing Dershowitz blurbs the book. But is it true as Harris gushes that Israel’s moral capital lies in the fact “They’re still worried about killing the children of their enemies”?



I think this is a revealing criticism of new-Atheism's right wing tendencies and its atheistic morals as a cover for neo-conservatism, imperialism and Zionism. Zayeed only looks at Harris and one publication, but do people find this as common in the works of Dawkins, Hitchens and other new atheist approaches to politics?

Also take a look at this clip of Sam Harris:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hj9oB4zpHww

I am not too concerned about universal morals (which usually fall apart on their own contradictions when faced with world ethnographies), I get more frustrated at some basic flaws of his argument. For one he talks about how "we" are going to treat women, Women are removed from the solution, they are victims who can do better in another system if "we" choose to intervene and create rational political systems. The treatment of women are the measurement of mans (an here male) moral progression.

When Harris brings up the case of how in Afghanistan the Taliban would throw battery acid into the faces of girls who went to school, he provides zero context. He doesn't place this into a time period, or clearly conveys who the victim and perpetrator are. We are simply lead to believe that they "Muslims" do this to girls because they are morally wrong. It places the girl into absolute and collective victim and male Muslims as collective perpetrators, "they treat their women wrong". The solution is a radical change in their political system to a rationalist and liberal politics.

He does not explore nor provide any background for throwing battery acid in girl’s faces (or any specific examples but let’s ignore that for now). For one the Taliban in their time of power were a theocratic dictatorship who engaged in state terrorism to maintain power. It was "they" the Taliban who throw acid into girls faces to create a terror in the populace, their intended victim is not just girls, but the mothers and fathers who may have chosen to secretly send their girls to school. Harris however purposefully misleads the audience to believe that Afghani Muslim men we supporting and participating in the restriction of "their" women’s access to schooling and education; and that they condone of punishing women by throwing battery acid in their faces. For Harris, this is indicative of their lack of love for their daughters (he actually says this in the later part of the clip and imagines a science that could read people’s brains to determine if they actually do love; he states that “culture effects the brain”, a mix of pseudo science with pseudo sociology and anthropology). Again we are led to believe that the fathers of the female victims of Taliban state terror did not feel or mourn for their daughters, and that they lack the capability because they are Muslims (remember culture changes the brain), and Islam is specifically more morally flawed then other religions or political ideologies.
This example is clear how deceitful Sam Harris really is. He misleads the audience with an easy question “Is it morally wrong to throw battery acid into a young girls face for attending a school” The obvious answer is “yes, this is a universal wrong”. And it is wrong, and Afghani Muslims think it is wrong too, that is why Fathers and mothers were sending their daughters to school in secret, they did not want the Taliban to catch them. But Harris talking to a predominantly western and white audience does not mention or talk about the Muslims and Afghani resistance and opposition to patriarchal Islam and the Taliban.
I find Harris (I am not sure of the other prominent new-Atheists) worrying in the fact he is revitalising enlightenment ideas in a neo-con and Zionist frame work. For Harris Islam is so backward that the Orient lacks the ability that the Occident possessed and created during its move out of religious fundamentalism. What the Orient lacks is the freedom to develop resistance to religious regimes, it is for too long been under the influence of backward ideas (to the point it has changed their brain) that unlike the Occident who overthrow their religious fetters during the Bourgeois revolutions of Europe, the Orient needs the Occident’s intervention to overthrow religious fundamentalism. Harris purposeful omits the history of secular movements in places like the Middle East and Muslim conflicts over political control that occur in the contexts of ethnic conflict and the wider imperialist wars. But that is the easiest way to justify and enforce a universalist moral framework, simple omit all the complexities that cause problems for thoose universal morals.

Teacher
30th June 2012, 07:42
A lot of these new atheist types are some kind of right-wing libertarian in my experience. Don't really take them seriously enough to look into it too much though honestly.

Robocommie
30th June 2012, 08:11
I'm reading a book right now by Chris Hedges, I Don't Believe In Atheists, which he basically wrote after debating Sam Harris and then Christopher Hitchens. He basically describes the New Atheists specifically as using rationalism and the ideals of the Western enlightenment as an ethos to support American imperialism in the Middle East, and burying all attempts to intellectually engage the Middle East as a complicated region with history and its own political landscape with racist stereotypes and an argument that "you can't reason with these people, they're fanatics."

Something I've complained about for a long time is the way that a lot of this kind of thing takes old colonial attitudes and racism about Middle Eastern cultures and religious traditions, and breathes new life into it by fusing it with secularism and empiricism - which are then identified as being specifically legacies of the Western intellectual tradition. It's all just Orientalism, basically.

It continually strikes me as a tragedy that Edward Said passed away nearly a decade ago, back in 2003. He literally wrote the book on western perceptions of "the Orient" and was really really good at confronting this mindset. He's still very much needed.

Hiero
1st July 2012, 04:00
These writers are getting a good chunk of people to support them and I find it hard to find a space available for their supports to be political critical of the new atheist movement. Alot I find are interested in atheism and rationalism in a very blanket sense, when I have addressed the consequence of some like Harris or Hitchen's contradictions in his politics (support Iraq/Saddam because he was secularist, to support the invasion based on Saddam's Islamism) the typical response is a shoulder shrug. It is as if Harris, Hitchens and Dawkins have a real monopoly on 'Atheism'.

Sam Harris and Hitchens are very well spoken. Harris speaks like someone who has something to sell and sells it really well. I don't really see how this is going to end, if they fade or they actually get a foothold into politics and we see a atheistic neo-conservatism in power.

Philosopher Jay
2nd July 2012, 13:09
The struggle against religion is fundamental to Marxism. Neo-conservatives have filled the void left by Marxist organizations that have ceased the struggle against religion for tactical political gains.

shinjuku dori
2nd July 2012, 13:24
Was their "old athiest"? Who was that? Karl Marx? Why they got replaced? :blink:

Comrade Trollface
2nd July 2012, 20:19
Was their "old athiest"? Who was that? Karl Marx? Why they got replaced? :blink:The previous generation of American public atheists was comprised of guys like Isaac Asimov, Carl Sagan and Kurt Vonnegut. These three in particular were brilliant men and true humanists through and through. And to have them replaced with the likes of Hitchens and Dawkins is simply sickening:(

Party_of_Lenin
2nd July 2012, 20:33
The whole notion that being an "atheist" constitutes some great unifying force unto itself is shown false precisely by the existence of the "new atheists", and their new apologetics in favor of old fashioned imperialism and capitalist exploitation.

If some would say that being an atheist is less important than being a skeptic, I would say further that being a "skeptic" is less important than being "just" and aware of one's own privilege insofar as it exists.

I have a little in common with the likes of Dawkins or Harris (aside from appreciating some of their works) as I do with social-conservatives/"traditionalists" generally...or even liberals on the whole, for that matter.

x359594
2nd July 2012, 20:34
Was their "old athiest"? Who was that?...

Madalyn Murray O'Hair was an "old atheist." She got a lot of headlines in the 1960s when I was growing up because she launched attacks on school prayer and won a Supreme Court case on that issue. O'Hair also campaigned against the phrase "one nation under God" in the Pledge of Allegiance. She was the was the founder of the organization American Atheists and served as its president from 1963 to 1986. O'Hair was murdered in 1995.

Red Joe
2nd July 2012, 20:53
Good thread.

I've long held that a religious articulation of spirituality belongs to the childhood of the human race. I prefer to express spirituality in love for the here and now (and our stewardship of the future), in love toward people and the living planet, and in the inexplicable power of art.

We all know how religion has been used as a rationalization for ghastly crimes. We all know Marx's famous pronouncement about it being the opiate of the masses. And while I'm in general agreement with the new atheists regarding atheism, their coupling of atheism with aggressive, imperialistic, and stupid political stances always bugged me.

In short, they're giving atheism a rather bad name.

Hiero
3rd July 2012, 04:26
The struggle against religion is fundamental to Marxism. Neo-conservatives have filled the void left by Marxist organizations that have ceased the struggle against religion for tactical political gains.

What tactical gains?

Red Joe
3rd July 2012, 11:40
What tactical gains?
I'm not sure what they may have gained by it, but the CPUSA is officially now not antithetical toward religion.

Ismail
3rd July 2012, 13:46
The previous generation of American public atheists was comprised of guys like Isaac Asimov, Carl Sagan and Kurt Vonnegut. These three in particular were brilliant men and true humanists through and through. And to have them replaced with the likes of Hitchens and Dawkins is simply sickening:(For what it's worth Sagan claimed that Marxism was "unscientific" and Asimov was a liberal intellectual (although he poked fun (http://www.newworker.org/ncptrory/1984.htm) at 1984 so at least he has that distinction.) The difference is that all three had wide reach independently of their atheism; they didn't position themselves as hostile to religion but instead were concerned about science being undermined by superstition. That tended to make them more effective because they didn't antagonize (nor were religious leaders able to manipulate them into antagonizing) the ordinary religious folk.

For what it's worth Dawkins does seem to want to popularize science, whereas Hitchens basically built the last years of his life around "RELIGION IS EVIL" and when one's entire narrative of events revolves around "lol you believe in god" you tend to support reactionary things, like imperialist war and xenophobia.


I'm not sure what they may have gained by it, but the CPUSA is officially now not antithetical toward religion.The CPUSA has basically been officially not antithetical to capitalism since the 70's so long as the capitalists are Democrats. By this point the fact that the CPUSA actually deals a lot with traditional Marxist works (books by Marx, Engels and Lenin, and other classic writers on communism and history) clashes so much with their actual politics and line that only the Communist Party of China and its associated parties in Vietnam and Laos has them beat in terms of the disconnection between "theory" and practice.

Hiero
20th July 2012, 03:05
For what it's worth Dawkins does seem to want to popularize science, whereas Hitchens basically built the last years of his life around "RELIGION IS EVIL" and when one's entire narrative of events revolves around "lol you believe in god" you tend to support reactionary things, like imperialist war and xenophobia.

Which explains Hitchens inconsistencies towards Saddam's Iraq. Originally he thought it wasn't too bad as Iraq promoted securalism and had programs focused on improving women's status. Later changing position as apparently Saddam turned more 'fundementalist'. It is common reaction to promote nationalism and religious popuralism when faced by an imperialist threat.

Lucretia
20th July 2012, 06:10
None of this is new. You could see Sam Harris' right-wing tendencies in his first published book (The End of Faith, I think it was called), where he tried to defend the Israeli government from Chomsky's criticisms by talking about how noble their intentions supposedly were.

blake 3:17
21st July 2012, 05:27
The Hedges book is excellent! Highly recommended!

Hex_Omega_
2nd August 2012, 10:12
Sam Harris is a self-centered apathetic xenophobe of the worst kind-

-He defended racial profiling at airports with this statement, "We should profile Muslims, or anyone who looks like he or she could conceivably be Muslim, and we should be honest about it."

- His support for torture. "I am one of the few people I know of who has argued in print that torture may be an ethical necessity in our war on terror."

- Comments on nuking the Middle East. "If history is any guide, we will not be sure about where the offending warheads are or what their state of readiness is, and so we will be unable to rely on targeted, conventional weapons to destroy them. In such a situation, the only thing likely to ensure our survival may be a nuclear first strike of our own. "

Rottenfruit
2nd August 2012, 16:12
Sam Harris is a douchebag atheist

New atheism means a atheist who's a total douchebag, self righteous pompus jerks

RadioRaheem84
3rd August 2012, 04:34
I was always inclined to believe that Hitchens was always a total fraud. For someone that always claimed to be a "Marxist" he sure as hell was a bold idealist and a lousy materialist.

I remember when he would scold liberals as being "dangerous compromisers", and berating a woman for even calling him one. He seemed to understand the distinction between leftist and liberal back then, but once the Iraq War hit he started conflating the two in an attempt to win favoritism in American political discourse.

I listened to his debate with Dinesh D'Souza on Capitalism vs. Socialism and he was an awful defender of socialism. Not a materialist bone in that man! D'Souza's arguments could've been easily picked apart by any sophomore with knowledge in Marxism but of course Hitchens went in an entirely idealist way of defending socialism.

He was always a smug liberal, nothing more.