what role will minorities play in the communist movement.

[campesino]

In Nikolaos Van Dam's book "The Struggle For Power In Syria, Politics And Society Under Asad And The Ba'th Party." It states the rise of the Ba'ath party was mostly on the support of religious Arab minorities such as the Alawites, Christians, Druze.

The democratic party of the united states used to be seen as the party of minorities, Irish/Italian/ eastern european immigrants and african and hispanic americans.

I was on the PSL wikipedia page and it stated

The PSL would grant the right of self-determination to all oppressed nations of the US, such as "African Americans, Native, Puerto Rican and other Latino national minorities, the Hawai’ian nation, Asian, Pacific Islander, Arab and other oppressed peoples who have experienced oppression as a whole people under capitalism".
which has led me to the question

should our movement seek almost exclusively minority support, as minorities are more likely to act in unison and solidarity as they see the enemy(capitalism) as not one of their own?

I'm not opposed to such a strategy, but should we fear alienating poor whites? I think not, since poor whites already are disillusioned with capitalism, and any person who views the large amount of minorities in leadership positions and in the movement, as something bad or alienating, really shouldn't be in the movement.

although in a class struggle, the capitalist may try to divide the working class by race, and a minority vanguard, might be what they need to create divisions. Of course the capitalist will always play the racecard and there will be nothing we can do about it.

[Positivist]

I'd say we need a diverse leadership, but not one exclusively composed of minorities.

[electrostal]

Lol @ OP's Amerocentrism


should our movement seek almost exclusively minority support, as minorities are more likely to act in unison and solidarity as they see the enemy(capitalism) as not one of their own?
Yes, becaue that worked out so well.
The whole point of revolutionary work is, obviously, trying to unite all workers on a class, not racial or ethnic or whatever basis.

[campesino]

Lol @ OP's Amerocentrism


Yes, becaue that worked out so well.
The whole point of revolutionary work is, obviously, trying to unite all workers on a class, not racial or ethnic or whatever basis.

seems to me that minorities are more skeptical and challenging towards capitalism, since it is not their way of life or heritage. the point is it would be a lot easier to unite minorities against capitalism than to unite whites, with their history of voting against unity and equality and progress(look at Mississippi)

my second point is that minorities feel they didn't inherit or create the capitalist system, while the whites, are taught it is the "american way," "the american dream" liberty founding fathers and all that crap.

[shinjuku dori]

my second point is that minorities feel they didn't inherit or create the capitalist system, while the whites, are taught it is the "american way," "the american dream" liberty founding fathers and all that crap.

Have you ever listened to rap?

[MarxSchmarx]

Lol @ OP's Amerocentrism

should our movement seek almost exclusively minority support, as minorities are more likely to act in unison and solidarity as they see the enemy(capitalism) as not one of their own? Yes, becaue that worked out so well.
The whole point of revolutionary work is, obviously, trying to unite all workers on a class, not racial or ethnic or whatever basis.

That dynamics is hardly unique to America. Minorities in most countries tend to support the left; if anything the middle east is an exception in this respect, and even there 50 years ago Arab nationalism was "to the left" of neo-feudal and agrarian regimes. In Belgium and Canada the French minority is notoriously socialist-leaning compared to the Dutch and English majority. In New Zealand, the Maori are quite consistently supportive of leftist policies, as are Buraku, Ainu, and Koreans in Japan. The same is true wrt ppl of South Asian and Caribbean decent in Britain. With the exception of Latin America and very few parts of sub-Saharan Africa, where the old colonial legacy means a wealthy ethnic minority is associated with the right as opposed to the indigenous majority, if anything probably the last bastions of ethnic minorities consistently supporting the right wing anywhere are Cuban-Americans in Florida and Vietnamese-Americans in California.



In ethnically heterogenous societies, the alliance between the ethnic majority voters and the right-wingers is quite well documented. The ethnic majority, particularly among those who vote, enjoy tremendous privilege and power, and these groups are reluctant to give it up. They are also the first to claim that minority individuals suffer because their own personal moral failings and are, conveniently as personal beneficiaries, least likely to recognize systematic patterns of oppression.

[Ostrinski]

Nothing other than the abolition of themselves as minorities, i.e. simply being part of a movement that destroys the system which socially constructed them as "minorities."

[Prometeo liberado]

Have you ever listened to rap?

Sometimes, when I log on to Revleft, I cry. A lot.:confused:

[shinjuku dori]

Sometimes, when I log on to Revleft, I cry. A lot.:confused:

What's the problem? The fact is that the majority of modern rap music glorifies getting rich by any means, partaking in expensive brand name clothes, drink and car, and bragging about wealth.

Rap is not only the most popular music among young and young adult black people in America, it's one of the most popular in the entire country among all people. It's based on and reflects the culture of urban black Americans excluded from the normal workings of capitalism. They are left to die in what amounts to internal colonies, without access to useful educations or jobs. They survive any way they can.

The claim by the previous user that minorities in America are impervious to the allure of consumerism or the "American Dream" goal to get rich just doesn't stand up.

[campesino]

What's the problem? The fact is that the majority of modern rap music glorifies getting rich by any means, partaking in expensive brand name clothes, drink and car, and bragging about wealth.

Rap is not only the most popular music among young and young adult black people in America, it's one of the most popular in the entire country among all people. It's based on and reflects the culture of urban black Americans excluded from the normal workings of capitalism. They are left to die in what amounts to internal colonies, without access to useful educations or jobs. They survive any way they can.

The claim by the previous user that minorities in America are impervious to the allure of consumerism or the "American Dream" goal to get rich just doesn't stand up.

well a minority as a whole is more likely to have greater animosity towards the upper-class of society, because they view the upper-class as not one of them, who share no common heritage.

I think the right-wing has applied the strategy with poor southern whites, with slogans such as "the east-coast liberal elites" "washington bureaucrats."

but also the poor whites have great revolutionary potential, I am reminded of the united mine worker's of america, and their violent strikes. With the pacifying and the destruction of the labor movement, due to outsourcing. The only way it seems to me now is to organize on a racial level. with of course letting anyone who wants to join, join.

the point being:
may poor whites have the potential for radicalization, but not the greatest potential.

[hatzel]

The fact is that the majority of modern rap music glorifies getting rich by any means, partaking in expensive brand name clothes, drink and car, and bragging about wealth.

Kinda stupid to get into this 'debate' but the stuff you hear on pop radio is the extreme minority of modern rap music. The vast majority is 'underground' stuff, and the more 'underground' it is, the more likely it is to be about social problems, politics and serious issues...because gritty pirate radio stations aren't pumping out P Diddy, you know...

[ed miliband]

Kinda stupid to get into this 'debate' but the stuff you hear on pop radio is the extreme minority of modern rap music. The vast majority is 'underground' stuff, and the more 'underground' it is, the more likely it is to be about social problems, politics and serious issues...because gritty pirate radio stations aren't pumping out P Diddy, you know...

i think the 'mainstream'/'underground' dichotomy is pretty meaningless with modern hip hop; and 'underground' rappers are just as likely to rap about getting money as 'mainstream' rappers are. and why not? if you haven't got much it's nice to have money, that's the reality of capitalism isn't it? i'd love to be rolling in it...

but also, rapping about money can be a lot more political than the self-conciously social stuff. a track like 'c.r.e.a.m.' says a huuuge amount about capitalism.

[Deicide]

If you're from the UK, listen to grime, which is mostly an underground phenomena among youths from deprived backgrounds, or at least it was originally, and tell me that the majority of the lyrics are not about selling drugs, making money, expensive cars, violence, narcissistic boasting, shagging girls, etc. etc. It's mostly about drugs, violence and narcissistic boasting. I grew up around music like this, aswel as drum and bass, and other 'urban' music.

There's a lot of guys from the 'grime scene' who have made it into the mainstream. Dizzy rascal, Skepta, Tinchy Strider, etc. etc. all guys from some of the most deprived areas of London.

[ed miliband]

yup

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