National Communism Is Not Nationalbolshevism!

[Babeufist]

NationalBolshevism is pseudo-communist (but non-Marxist) kind of fascism. National Communism is the "Marxism with national characteristics" like Bukharin in Russia, Tito in Yugoslavia, Gomulka in Poland, Nagy in Hungary, Browder in the USA. See http://www.britannica.com/EBchecked/topic/404603/National-Communism (http://www.britannica.com/EBchecked/topic/404603/National-Communism)
The first national communist was Bela Kun, who mixed communism and Hungarian national feelings (not only the defense of the country but also liberation of Hungarians in Slovakia and Romania). In the same time German communists from Hamburg (Wolffheim, Laufenberg) created Communist Workers
Party of Germany (KAPD) with National-Communist leaning. Some years later this policy was supported by Radek (his famous Schlageter speech) www.marxists.org/archive/radek/1923/06/schlageter.htm (http://www.marxists.org/archive/radek/1923/06/schlageter.htm). In Soviet Russia the National-Communist arose during the white Polish invasion of 1920.
Read more on various National Communist movements:
- Arab : Ilana Kaufman: Arab National Communism in the Jewish State
- Jewish : Baruch Gurevitz: National Communism in the Soviet Union, 1918-28
- Muslim : Alexandre A. Bennigsen, S. Enders Wimbush: Muslim National Communism in the Soviet Union
- Eastern European : Paul E. Zinner: National Communism and Popular Revolt in Eastern Europe
- Western European : Howard Machin: National Communism in Western Europe
- Bulgarian: Yannis Sygkelos: Nationalism from the Left: The Bulgarian Communist Party During the Second World
There were also other national communist movements: in Ukraine (borotbists), Sweden (Kilbom), India (Hasrat Mohani, Chettiar), Rumanian (Gheorghiu Dej, Ceaucescu), Turkey (Cerkes Edhem), Iran (the Niru Sevvom party) etc.

[Babeufist]

The proletariat must first of all acquire political supremacy, must rise to be the leading class of the nation, must constitute itself the nation, it is, so far, itself national, though not in the bourgeois sense of the word.
The Communist Manifesto

[electrostal]

The first national communist was Bela Kun, who mixed communism and Hungarian national feelings (not only the defense of the country but also liberation of Hungarians in Slovakia and Romania). In the same time German communists from Hamburg (Wolffheim, Laufenberg) created Communist Workers
I admit I don't know much about this, but weren't "national Hungarian symbols" banned in the short-lasting H. S. Republic?
That's what Wiki says anyway:
( bottom of the page on HSR )

Also, I don't think "national-communism" makes much sense.

Anyway, what is, exactly, the difference between "national-communism" and "national-bolshevism"?

[Sasha]

same shit, different name....

[Sea]

NationalBolshevism is pseudo-communist (but non-Marxist) kind of fascism. National Communism is the "Marxism with national characteristics" like Bukharin in Russia, Tito in Yugoslavia, Gomulka in Poland, Nagy in Hungary, Browder in the USA. See http://www.britannica.com/EBchecked/topic/404603/National-Communism (http://www.britannica.com/EBchecked/topic/404603/National-Communism)
The first national communist was Bela Kun, who mixed communism and Hungarian national feelings (not only the defense of the country but also liberation of Hungarians in Slovakia and Romania). In the same time German communists from Hamburg (Wolffheim, Laufenberg) created Communist Workers
Party of Germany (KAPD) with National-Communist leaning. Some years later this policy was supported by Radek (his famous Schlageter speech) www.marxists.org/archive/radek/1923/06/schlageter.htm (http://www.marxists.org/archive/radek/1923/06/schlageter.htm). In Soviet Russia the National-Communist arose during the white Polish invasion of 1920.
Read more on various National Communist movements:
- Arab : Ilana Kaufman: Arab National Communism in the Jewish State
- Jewish : Baruch Gurevitz: National Communism in the Soviet Union, 1918-28
- Muslim : Alexandre A. Bennigsen, S. Enders Wimbush: Muslim National Communism in the Soviet Union
- Eastern European : Paul E. Zinner: National Communism and Popular Revolt in Eastern Europe
- Western European : HowardMachin: National Communism in Western Europe
- Bulgarian: Yannis Sygkelos: Nationalism from the Left: The Bulgarian Communist Party During the Second World
There were also other national communist movements: in Ukraine (borotbists), Sweden (Kilbom), India (Hasrat Mohani, Chettiar), Rumanian (Gheorghiu Dej, Ceaucescu), Turkey (Cerkes Edhem), Iran (the Niru Sevvom party) etc.

Nationalism must be stopped. Nationalists must be discredited and punished, and prevented from gaining influence.

If a nation is governed by individuals, servitude to a nation is servitude to those individuals, and that cannot happen without some few having control over the rest. This is fucking dandy if you're a king or a capitalist or a cult-worshiper, but is directly contradictory to egalitarianism and equality.

If a nation magically could be governed by people, in whole OR in part (the latter includes such bullshit as democratic republics), then the very concept of a nation is not only dogma, but pointless dogma.

Nationalism cannot exist without separation. It assumes that one group of people can be fundamentally better than one another, which makes it no better than racism or sexism.
Death to nationalism.
Death to patriotism.
Death to the state; the only purpose of a state is to hold a monopoly on the "right" to cause terror to its constituents and other states.

Now if you excuse me, I need to clean up. My head exploded from reading your post.:cursing::cursing::cursing::cursing::cursing:

[Q]

Each time I think that there is some sense after all in this community, I'm aptly reminded how wrong I am by getting hit by a new gulf of stupidity.

That said, nationalism is a very real current in the left and communists ought to tackle it. So I guess that deserves it a place in Theory.

So, let me start then:
- What is your definition of communism? A seemingly semantically yet vital question: What are you fighting for? Is it a state that owns everything along the lines of the USSR for example?
- How will it be possible to establish this on a national/state scale, seemingly ignoring the global operation of capital?
- Related to this, how will you prevent the disastrous onslaught of global capital on our new workers state?

[Ravachol]

Communism unquestioningly tears down all pillars of the old world, state, nation, capital and church alike or it is not communism.

Wolffheim and Laufenberg (only heralded by German nazbol nobrainers) were only accepted briefly in the KAPD (though Laufenberg did participate in the founding) because they hid their 'hamburger nationalkommunismus' initially. Radek's position was related to the French occupation of the Ruhr area and wasn't (in that particular time period) that different from the regular blabla leninist position on 'national liberation' struggle. He later fiercly agitated against the minor 'current' of Wolffheim and Laufenberg.

Besides, the whole hamburg nazbol line eventually sought to utilize the council movement as a way to progressively include all sections of the nation, from the proletariat to the national bourgeoisie and saw the proletariat as the class leading the national revolution by imposing the councils as a way of creating organs of new national unity. They removed themselves from proletarian communist politics almost immediately. Not unlike some nationalist currents within the KPD who sought an alliance with the Soviet Union against the entente powers and were willing to give in to the forces of reaction for this. Irrelevant nazbol figures like Paetel and Niekisch later capitalized on this historical detour but whatever history doesn't care.

Gilles Dauve's book on the german revolution has an appendix on this fiasco: http://libcom.org/library/appendix-iii-note-national-bolshevism

[L.A.P.]

Rumanian (Ceaucescu)

Jesus Christ, no! He was basically a pseudo-communist fascist asshole.

[Grenzer]

Uh.. the KAPD did not have "national-communist" leanings at all. They were always staunch internationalists and broke with the Comintern after a short time. You might be confusing it with the KPD, which did use appeals to nationalism; especially in regards to evoking the humiliation German nationalists felt with the humiliation of the Treaty of Versailles.