where should Sadam be tried

[Misodoctakleidist]

Tony Blaire said he would be tried in Iraq but should he be tried by the ICC?

[Ian]

The only thing he deserves is a bullet... as long as no imperialist is holding the gun I'm happy. Get cracking iraqi comrades... get your gun and take the bastard out before the Yanks try claim hero status

[toastedmonkey]

He should be tried by the UN, like Milosevic was.

He probbaly be taken to Guantanamo, where he'll be illegally held until the Yankees need a properganda boost.

[peaccenicked]

Saddam has too much information on the CIA. I think if he survives a week he will be lucky.

[Saint-Just]

I think Saddam should be tried with the American war criminals. To convict Saddam of his crimes is nothing but a meaningless farce unless we recognise the crimes of the American government and military that stare us in the face rather than Saddam's crimes which we are ones often hidden to us.

[redstar2000]

If we got lucky, "Hussein" would be tried in Washington, D.C. by an American court. But they probably won't be foolish enough to do that.

It would be too naked.

So, no doubt, they will find some Iraqi "judges" who can read a script and deliver their lines "convincingly"...and that will be that.

There are plenty of other possible scenarios--"shot while trying to escape", "committed suicide", etc. Three or four decades from now, we might actually learn "what really happened".

But it sure has stirred some folks up on this board...and I don't altogether understand why.

Shouldn't we be more concerned about the next war?

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[toastedmonkey]

Originally posted by [email protected] 14 2003, 02:09 PM
Shouldn't we be more concerned about the next war?
I agree

Im putting my money on the Yankees backing Isreal over Palistein, or a war against Iran in the name of Terrorism.
(The yankees being the terrorist of course!)

The capture of Sadam is already old news, he has been 'out of the picture' for sometime now, the only significane of his capture is it will lend it self favourably to the Imperialist cause.

[FistFullOfSteel]

Even if Saddam getting executed,there will be more sucicide attacks and resistance groups against the yankees..........they will never give up

[The Feral Underclass]

The imperaialists are already winning so I do not think it makes much difference where he is tried. America, Iraq, the Hague, they are all the same people...I just think what ever happens to saddam is justified.

[peaccenicked]

Originally posted by The Anarchist [email protected] 14 2003, 02:30 PM
I just think what ever happens to saddam is justified.
AT

Are you sure you are not an authoritarian?

[Exploited Class]

Saddam has too much information on the CIA. I think if he survives a week he will be lucky.

That kind of flashed through my head.

It won't be an international court that is for sure. If it is one thing that this administration has proven, it doesn't play well if at all on an international level. If they try him with other nations it will only be the nations that weren't locked out of rebuilding contracts in Iraq.

The Americans wouldn't risk it at this point anyway. To put it up on an international with so many nations now in poor relations with the US, is a risk that France, Canada, Russia, Germany, might have judges on the bench of that trial and might not come to a unanimous deciscion.

I don't really know if it is even feasible to think he could get a fair trial. I am not going to debate if he should or shouldn't get one, but I don't see how he could if one to look for that. Maybe tried by the deepest of Africa or deepest parts of S. American jungles by tribes that have never heard of him?

Who wants to defend Saddam? I think that is a good question as well. I can't think of anybody who wants to add to their resume, "Defense Attorney for Sadam."

[peaccenicked]

When did the war in Iraq end?

[The Feral Underclass]

peaccenicked

saddam hussein gave up his right to humanity when he ordered the mass murder (gassing) of innocent civilians...men, women and children alike...

[peaccenicked]

I have just thought of a possibility. Saddam and the US gov have come to a deal. It maybe that he will eventually quietly drop out of sight from media coverage.

[Exploited Class]

Originally posted by [email protected] 14 2003, 07:37 AM
When did the war in Iraq end?
I don't know what you mean.

Realistically, never.

An official end of hostilities, May 16th 2003 I believe. May for sure but not 100% sure on the day.

Actually, a war was never actually declared. That is why you never hear Bush or his cabinet say, "The War in Iraq". It is occuptation, peace keeping operations, liberation, operation desert sword, but never ever called a war. Like Vietnam. For legal reasons.

[Exploited Class]

Originally posted by [email protected] 14 2003, 07:46 AM
I have just thought of a possibility. Saddam and the US gov have come to a deal. It maybe that he will eventually quietly drop out of sight from media coverage.
It is funny you said that. On another board somebody asked, "Who gets the 25 million bounty for this." and I thought Saddam, he turned himself in because he was broke, half jokingly to myself.

But then they say he gave up really easy, cooperatively, not a single shot fired. Then I wonder, did he turn himself in seriously. They aren't giving any information on how they located him, and of course that is obviously for many reasons. But if he said, "I will tell you about WMDs, I will give myself up, you know you will never catch me, you need me for re-election, I want to live and live well. I am not used to small holes." You never know. You can warp anything to make it sound believable, but I mean, how long can he enjoy that lifestyle and to give up so easy.

Somethings aren't adding up, there is more to this.

[peaccenicked]

EC, I was nt addressing anyone in particular.
Yes.....sorry .......It was Redstars ..............Next war.
I was not too sure he meant the next war in Iraq or not. But I think it is relevant. EC, your post was spot on. Although I am optimistic that eventually imperialism will come to an end.

[Lardlad95]

heY GUys can we all talk about this on che-lives chat..I want some real time discussion


this cool with everyone?

[peaccenicked]

LL95..........Chat???

[Lardlad95]

Originally posted by [email protected] 14 2003, 03:03 PM
LL95..........Chat???
che-lives has a chat room..rmember...it's a good one that no one uses

[mEds]

I agree with ianrocks. please--- somebody-- assasinate that motherfucker saddam.

[gawkygeek]

ive always thought the ICC was a good idea, but its highly unlikely, the united states never signed into it so it will once again go unused in a perfect opportunity to test its usefulness. i am pretty confident he'll be tried in Iraq i mean they did go and build a whole court room thing already, hopefully all that time and publicity won't go to waste. even if he is tried in iraq it'll just be a feign attempt at serving justice, there isn't a man or woman in the world untainted by some form of propaganda either for or against him. he'll either be put to death by law or sentenced to life and die "escaping" or in a prison riot or something...

[commieboy]

I've got alot of mixed emotions about saddam, alot of chaldeans around me support him for never persecuting them. But then i hear kurds talking about their people being gassed, so i've got to be on the side of the kurds...good thing that fuckers dead...

I think we should go Mousilini on his ass, just string him up by the feet in Bahgdad and give the Iraqi people a few baseball bats with nails on the end.....

He isn't a villian to the US, he is a tyrant to the iraqis, so we have no right to punish him, only the iraqis can...


But on a lighter note when i was watching the news i saw Iraqis waving flags...red flags with hammers and sickles on them! I think i can see the future.....kinda like Cuba...you see America will put in a puppet gov't then the communists will have a revolution.!!!!

[Exploited Class]

Originally posted by [email protected] 14 2003, 02:55 PM
But on a lighter note when i was watching the news i saw Iraqis waving flags...red flags with hammers and sickles on them! I think i can see the future.....kinda like Cuba...you see America will put in a puppet gov't then the communists will have a revolution.!!!!
Really, I think that is about the last place I would like to see a communist revolution right now.

Think about it. Iraq, the center of evil in a lot of people's minds.
Iraq, the place that American forces went in without international support and perhaps illegaly without blinking an eye, and against the wishes of the international community.

Yah, America wouldn't thump down that Communist revolution in about 20 seconds, and without fear from retaliation from the international community. You'd have another "Communist Failure" for the right wing to talk about.

Also, do you have any idea how hard it is for Iraq to be governed? There is a reason why Saddam was gassing opposition, because Iraq is broken up into nothing but extreme oppositions. It was a collection of opposing tribes all put under one border by British pullout.

I promise you, if a people revolt took place, you'd have Suni's fighting it out with communists, because they will fight with anybody in power but them. And that will look great for international medi and international support for communism. It would supports everybody's belief that communists hate religious people and will kill them.

Iraq is too much of a mess to want to have communists there right now. But hey I am glad they have a party and I hope to see them win seats in their parliment. If they got there with democracy, that would be great too, but a revolt could be disaster.

[Jesus Christ]

Hes gonna be held and tried in front of a British and American war tribunal
they wont leave it to the UN

[Jaha]

i think saddam will be tried in a special military tribunal.

doesnt matter who participates, saddam will be executed.

his execution will be on live TV with a small picture of bush smilling.

he will be burried under a solid gold statue of bush somewhere in washington DC because everyone knows saddams death is bush's legacy.

ahama

[gawkygeek]

more than likely, he won't have a marked grave, or a public execution, it'll just happen, ppl will forget about him after he goes to trial, there will barely be a blurb about his sentence. the only thing that will happen, bush will use it as a sign of victory like the barbarians who would cut the head off the leader of the opposing army and flash it around. he'll rest on the capture for his campaign and if he doesn't find any wmd in the next few months, he'll put some of ours in there, just fed-ex them in under the rock next to another one of his holes and then if they can't find osama they'll just get a look alike and claim they know its him because of a bullet wound and the dialysis machine hes carrying around

[apathy maybe]

Bob Brown (That Great And Marvelous Green) said a really smart thing on ABC (that's Australian BC not US BC) the other day.
He said something along the lines of

Sadam Hussain should be tried in an international court so that all the links with other countrys can come out.
(can't remember exact wording).
Of course the US can't allow that can they, they'ld be embarrassed all to heck what with giving Mr Hussain the chemical weapons he used on first Iran and then the Kurds. And no doubt many other things (such as "special" deals on oil).