Corruption of the terms "socialism" and "communism"

[Cat]

I just got into a really frustrating argument. I said abolishing inheritance (itself) is not communist, and that all forms of socialism are opposed to private property. But everyone ganged up on me and said oh no, socialism and communism mean the same thing as social democracy, terms broaden, No True Scotsman, we (including "socialists") know that can't work now, outdated... WTF?!

[The Idler]

Ask them what their definitions of socialism, communism and social democracy are.

[Vorchev]

It's certainly a step in the right direction. Why did you say that?

[MuscularTophFan]

There have been corruption of terms of "capitalism" or "conservative" or "libertarian." I think this is part of the much larger "Americanization" of words.

The term "libertarian" has been so corrupted in American and to a certain extent Britain that it means the complete opposite of what it used mean. The term libertarian has always been historically anti-capitalist and pro-equality and nothing to do with the so called "free market" libertarians. What "libertarians" are advocating for is basically cooperate take over which is the ultimate of form of totalitarianism and nothing to do with real libertarians like myself.

Capitalism has never existed anywhere on the entire world, but various forms of state controlled capitalism do, so most people just call this capitalism.

There have always been the use of words "socialist" both positively and negatively as propaganda. Soviet propaganda depicted the Soviet Union as a "glorious socialist worker's state." Nazis adopted the term "national socialism" to distinguish themselves from their Soviet rivals and to depict the Jews as "subversive greedy capitalists." The west also depicted socialism in propaganda but for negative proposes in order to depict this is what socialism is and just how horrible it is under the Soviet system. The term socialist has been so bastardized by a amount of people on both the right and the left.

I think most people are just totally ignorant of original definitions of these words and will continue to use these terms wrongly even though they have no idea what the flying fuck they are talking about.

[Tim Cornelis]

There have been corruption of terms of "capitalism" or "conservative" or "libertarian." I think this is part of the much larger "Americanization" of words.

The term "libertarian" has been so corrupted in American and to a certain extent Britain that it means the complete opposite of what it used mean. The term libertarian has always been historically anti-capitalist and pro-equality and nothing to do with the so called "free market" libertarians. What "libertarians" are advocating for is basically cooperate take over which is the ultimate of form of totalitarianism and nothing to do with real libertarians like myself.

Capitalism has never existed anywhere on the entire world, but various forms of state controlled capitalism do, so most people just call this capitalism.

There have always been the use of words "socialist" both positively and negatively as propaganda. Soviet propaganda depicted the Soviet Union as a "glorious socialist worker's state." Nazis adopted the term "national socialism" to distinguish themselves from their Soviet rivals and to depict the Jews as "subversive greedy capitalists." The west also depicted socialism in propaganda but for negative proposes in order to depict this is what socialism is and just how horrible it is under the Soviet system. The term socialist has been so bastardized by a amount of people on both the right and the left.

I think most people are just totally ignorant of original definitions of these words and will continue to use these terms wrongly even though they have no idea what the flying fuck they are talking about.

Chomskyite detected.

[Lokomotive293]

I'd be interested in what your (speaking to everyone) definitions of capitalism, socialism and communism are. Just because I have a feeling that might also differ from tendency to tendency, and only when we know what the real definitions are can we talk about corruptions of the words.

[ckaihatsu]

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