SADDAM HUSSEIN CAPTURED

[The Feral Underclass]

SADDAM HAS JUST BEEN CAPTURED BY US FORCES....TURN ON YOUR TV'S...FULKL COVERAGE ACROSS THE WORLD...

[Blackberry]

Is this something to be excited about?

I don't think it is worth any sort of celebration.

I am disappointed by his capture, I must confess. The only winner from this is imperialism, and mainly western imperialism.

He was doing no harm in hiding. What his capture will do now is have right-wing nuts bleating victory, ardent displays of patriotism will be showed, Bush and co. will use this to bring their popularity up, and justify more wars, etc. etc.

It is going to be sickening.

[il Commie]

Yeah, maybe now he'll show them the WMD he was hiding so well....... LOL! :lol:



Who cares? Anyway the iraqi struggle for independence was not related to him.

[Blackberry]

Originally posted by il [email protected] 14 2003, 10:47 PM
Who cares? Anyway the iraqi struggle for independence was not related to him.
Yes, but it will further cloak facts about the imperialist actions in iraq, such as the ransacking of trade unions, murder of innocent civilians, more demonisation of resistance, etc.

[Looter]

It's amazing how we recieve very little information about the real war but when a nonevent like this happens we are floooded with coverage even on channels that dont have news, remember when they killed his sons, the resistance only grew.

[The Feral Underclass]

Oh get over yourselves...are you trying to say this isnt important....please!!! :rolleyes:

[Blackberry]

Originally posted by The Anarchist [email protected] 14 2003, 11:08 PM
Oh get over yourselves...are you trying to say this isnt important....please!!! :rolleyes:
To imperialism...it certainly is important.

[Misodoctakleidist]

It would be funny if it was just one of his lookalikes.

[The Feral Underclass]

Comrade James


Is this something to be excited about?

Yes the ruling class will use this to bolster their arguments for war but that fact he has been captured is historically significant.


He was doing no harm in hiding. What his capture will do now is have right-wing nuts bleating victory, ardent displays of patriotism will be showed, Bush and co. will use this to bring their popularity up, and justify more wars, etc. etc.

This man undoubtedly commited crimes against the Iraqi people and should be tried as a criminal in an iraqi court by iraqis. he should not have remained at large.


Yes, but it will further cloak facts about the imperialist actions in iraq, such as the ransacking of trade unions, murder of innocent civilians, more demonisation of resistance, etc.

You rant on about "iraqi resistance" but in what context is this resistance. It sounds as if you are supporting this resistance. it is resistance of an old ruling elite fighting a new ruling elite. It seems to me that you support it because they are killing americans. None of the resistance is going to better further the Iraqi working class and infact isolates them even more.

The things perpetrated against Trade Unions and the murder to civilians comes as no suprise to anyone. The caputre of Saddam however is not a connected thing. The man was a criminal and should be tried as one.

[Looter]

Well what is so important about it? It will have no effect on the real war in Iraq. You don't seem to care about the real story of the Iraqi people rising up and winning their freedom, thats the real story that you are trying to ignore with all this noise.

[The Feral Underclass]

yes it is important to the imperialist agenda but it is also important to the mentality of the Iraqi working class. This man perpetrated a campaign of genocide on a mass scale against men, women and children. he condoned rape and torture and plundered the country of all its resources while subjecting them to a rule of iron.

Regardless of any motives behind the war, saddam hussein was a criminal and should be made accountable for his actions. To the iraqi people.

[Misodoctakleidist]

The resistance is not by sadam supporters. Its is ordinary Iraqis fighting fot independance.

[Blackberry]

Originally posted by The Anarchist [email protected] 14 2003, 11:33 PM
This man perpetrated a campaign of genocide on a mass scale against men, women and children. he condoned rape and torture and plundered the country of all its resources while subjecting them to a rule of iron.


Bush, Blair, Howard and co. are guilty of the same crimes. But if they are not held accountable for those actions, then neither should the bastard, Saddam Hussein.

Either all of them or none of them.

[The Feral Underclass]

if that is the case then I support it...however where are these "ordinary" people being funded from. Where are they recieving the arms and money. Who is organizing them?

What it seems to me is that the resistance is made up of saddam supporters, people who hate america and those who have nothing to gain from the american occupation. ie Fedayeen and other miscreants who are affraid of the retribution if they are caputered, and would rather die than be made accountable for their crimes.

[Looter]

You don not speak for the Iraqi people, you are simply a culvert for American BS. The Iraqi people support Saddam, they pledge their hearts and blood to them. If you cared at all about them you would know that but you are too busy parroting the lies of the Imperialists. You are a mindless tool of fascism. The Iraqi people want to see Bush's head on a platter and the rest of the Americans bodies scattered in the desert.

[The Feral Underclass]

Bush, Blair, Howard and co. are guilty of the same crimes. But if they are not held accountable for those actions, then neither should the bastard, Saddam Hussein.

Either all of them or none of them.

That is a rediculas stance to take. Of course we can not forget the crimes perpetrated by the ruling class but to simply ignore these violations of peoples human rights is a huge error of judgment. Saddams crimes should not go unpunished. he had working class people executed without remorse. he gassed innocent kurds, women and children, because they were kurds...I accept that Blair, Bush and Howard compare well with Saddam, but at the moment, the iraqi people have the opportunity to trie their former dictator. Our opporunity will come as well.

[Blackberry]

Originally posted by [email protected] 14 2003, 11:30 PM
Well what is so important about it? It will have no effect on the real war in Iraq. You don't seem to care about the real story of the Iraqi people rising up and winning their freedom, thats the real story that you are trying to ignore with all this noise.
What looter said.


This man undoubtedly commited crimes against the Iraqi people and should be tried as a criminal in an iraqi court by iraqis. he should not have remained at large.

Even if he is tried by Iraqis, those Iraqis are still part of the bourgeosie. Plus whoever said he will be tried in iraq courts, anyway? Not that it matters.

You still don't get it, do you? You do not realise what damage this is doing, and is yet to have done.

It is justifying western imperialism on one hand, but condemning another kind of imperialism. It is no victory for anybody but the western imperialists, and it is the western imperialists who rule this world.

[The Feral Underclass]

You don not speak for the Iraqi people, you are simply a culvert for American BS. The Iraqi people support Saddam, they pledge their hearts and blood to them. If you cared at all about them you would know that but you are too busy parroting the lies of the Imperialists. You are a mindless tool of fascism. The Iraqi people want to see Bush's head on a platter and the rest of the Americans bodies scattered in the desert.

Blah blah blah, rhetoric rhetoric rhetoric....you speak with authority about the iraqi peoples wants do you do you more so than me I take it...

I am not denying anything about what the iraqis want or do not want. Their hatred for america is not what is in question. maybe they do, but I do not think that is what this resistance is about. maybe I am wrong. What I am arguing is that the caputre of saddam hussein is significant for the iraqi people and that he should be tried and punished by the iraqi people.

[Blackberry]

Originally posted by [email protected] 14 2003, 11:40 PM
You don not speak for the Iraqi people, you are simply a culvert for American BS. The Iraqi people support Saddam, they pledge their hearts and blood to them. If you cared at all about them you would know that but you are too busy parroting the lies of the Imperialists. You are a mindless tool of fascism. The Iraqi people want to see Bush's head on a platter and the rest of the Americans bodies scattered in the desert.
You said well, except for the italicised part.

It has been made clear in recent events and opinions spread that there are quite a good portion of Iraqis who are opposed to both George Bush's crusade and the old dictator Saddam Hussein.

[The Feral Underclass]

You still don't get it, do you? You do not realise what damage this is doing, and is yet to have done.

YES I UNDERSTAND COMRADE JAMES...I DO GET IT!!! You patronizing twit!

But because of this I still think that saddam should be punished for his crimes?

[toastedmonkey]

I cant help but feel dissapointed by the news

[The Feral Underclass]

It is a disappointing victory to the ruling class...but they have him now....as long as we are consistent with our attacks on the iraq occuptaion I do not think it is wholly unjustified to insist that he is punished by an iraqi court.

[LuZhiming]

Originally posted by The Anarchist [email protected] 14 2003, 12:33 PM
and plundered the country of all its resources while subjecting them to a rule of iron.
Your post was ok until this point. You are mistaken.

[The Feral Underclass]

so the billions of billions of dollers he had in his bank accounts while his people starved does not count as plundering the countries resources....and you are telling me it was completely acceptable to demonstrate against saddams rule and form an oppisition party....

[Looter]

Why do you hate Saddam? You hate him because you have been told to hate him. I do not hear any Iraqis saying they hate Saddam, what do they say, compared to the Americans he was a saint. You talk about people starving, that is America where the people starve while billions are wasted on murder destruction and oppression. Saddam fed all his people in spite of the American blockade. Iraq is a battlefield but so is your mind, you can't have any effect on events in Iraq but you have complete control over what you choose to believe. If it comes from America it is bullshit and should be treated as such. They have taken control of your mind without firing a single shot, what use are you to the revolution if you can be so easily defeated? In Iraq they have dropped thousands and fired millions of shots, yet the Iraqi's hearts and minds cannot be enslaved. You should learn from them who are so gloriously defending their freedom, because what they think really matters wheras the nonsense that the brainwashed tools of the beast parrot matters not because they have no minds. You petty bourgeoise idealists get so worked up over nonsense that is all in your head but when it comes to the real world you neither know nor care, but it is in the real world that we are winning already, all we ask of you is that you free your own mind.

[Blackberry]

Originally posted by The Anarchist [email protected] 15 2003, 12:02 AM
so the billions of billions of dollers he had in his bank accounts while his people starved does not count as plundering the countries resources....and you are telling me it was completely acceptable to demonstrate against saddams rule and form an oppisition party....
His capture and trial is doing plenty of harm, but no good.

What point is there to prove by his trial? It is just an exercise to boost western imperialist 'superiority', justify future imperialist actions, etc. etc. His trial is not going to help anyone but the imperialists. And by wanting him brought to bourgeoisie 'justice', you are (either unconsciously or consciously) supporting imperialism. That is very sad... very sad indeed.

Saddam Hussein was doing no harm in hiding. He has no power now, and can barely harm a thing.

He will indeed be put on trial. I just hope that things don't go so well. Hopefully he dies.

I wonder why he didn't have an aide to kill him in the case of him being close to capture...

[peaccenicked]

The capture is good news for the forces of the Iraqi resistance. The picture of Saddam coming back is a frightener. It is a glorious day for the people of Iraq. The US have shot themselves in the foot.
I would wait to the news has been verified, and that it does not turn out to be a double.
Troops Out now.

[Blackberry]

Originally posted by [email protected] 15 2003, 12:43 AM
The capture is good news for the forces of the Iraqi resistance. The picture of Saddam coming back is a frightener. It is a glorious day for the people of Iraq. The US have shot themselves in the foot.
I am very intrigued by this point. I don't understand much of what motivated you to say this though. Please explain.

I would have thought that putting Saddam Hussein on trial and making an example of him would not result in the USA shooting itself in the foot...it would in fact enhance their cause.

[Saint-Just]

I agree, this will only serve to further the imperialist cause. If they had not captured him the Americans would look like fools, and their war on Iraq was foolish. Justice has little value when it is applied with such double standards, and so justice brought to Saddam Hussein will not make ours a more just and peaceful world. I am surprised he did not commit suicide, I do not think the rest of his life will be pleasant.

[Blackberry]

Originally posted by Chairman [email protected] 15 2003, 12:46 AM
I am surprised he did not commit suicide, I do not think the rest of his life will be pleasant.
Yes, like I said in a previous post: "I wonder why he didn't have an aide to kill him in the case of him being close to capture... "

[The Feral Underclass]

Oh shut up looter....


Why do you hate Saddam? You hate him because you have been told to hate him.

I hate saddam for the same reasons I hate Bush, Blair and all the other plutocrats of this world.


You talk about people starving, that is America where the people starve while billions are wasted on murder destruction and oppression.

I am not argueing otherwise.


Saddam fed all his people in spite of the American blockade.

Maybe so...


is a battlefield but so is your mind, you can't have any effect on events in Iraq but you have complete control over what you choose to believe.

What are you trying to convince me of. Are you trying to argue that Saddam didnt commit atrocities against his people...


If it comes from America it is bullshit and should be treated as such. They have taken control of your mind without firing a single shot, what use are you to the revolution if you can be so easily defeated?

you are simply trying to plug home this anti-american rhetoric...I am not against the american people. I am against the american government, I am against all governments, whether it is Saddam, Blair or Paul Bremner.. You talk about me being brainwashed, but you spout this hysterical rhetoric...I am fully aware of the global situation. But that isnt what I am talking about.


In Iraq they have dropped thousands and fired millions of shots, yet the Iraqi's hearts and minds cannot be enslaved.

But they can be enslaved. Once the americans have gone, what will they have. They will have a new liberal democracy fuelled by the same greed as every other western country. it isnt just about fighting US imperialism. It is about overthrowing the state and capitalism and creating a country controlled by the working class. You are supporting the resistance fighters, but why..what will that achieve. it dosnt matter whether it is the US rule or whether it is Iraqi bouregois rule, the are the same thing.


You should learn from them who are so gloriously defending their freedom,

Granted they are fighting US imperialism, to that extent they deserve our support, but as for fighting for freedom, who's freedom are they fighting for. Not the Iraqi working class that's for certain!


wheras the nonsense that the brainwashed tools of the beast parrot matters not because they have no minds.

This is just fancy worded rhetoric. What are you arguing?


You petty bourgeoise idealists get so worked up over nonsense that is all in your head but when it comes to the real world you neither know nor care,

What are you calling be a "petty bourgeoise idealist" for. All I have said is that Saddam Hussein should be tried as a human rights criminal. You just using these fancy words to through out at me and they have fuck all to do with what I am talking about...


but it is in the real world that we are winning already, all we ask of you is that you free your own mind.

Shut up for chist sake!!!

[LuZhiming]

Originally posted by The Anarchist [email protected] 14 2003, 01:02 PM
so the billions of billions of dollers he had in his bank accounts while his people starved does not count as plundering the countries resources....and you are telling me it was completely acceptable to demonstrate against saddams rule and form an oppisition party....
Please end your moronic assumptions. I wasn't defending Saddam, just defending the truth. He was a brutal dictator, but in terms of Iraq's resources, he strengthened it. The mass starvation was a result of the U.N. sanctions. Look, as far as your other posts in this topic go, I agree with you. But I am just saying that the "plundering Iraq's resources" comment is untrue.

[The Feral Underclass]

I am not going answer your points Comrade james, they arent worth answering...

[redstar2000]

Unfortunately, the capture & "trial" of "Saddam Hussein" will be perceived (like it or not) as a "great victory" for U.S. imperialism. In the American media, in particular, it will be seen as a "triumph" for George W. Bush...they may even hold a "victory parade". (!)

If there is a "trial", it will be presided over by U.S.-appointed "Iraqis"--that is, quislings--and the outcome will be automatic.

The western media has generally suggested that the Iraqi resistance is made up of "Saddam loyalists" and "Islamic fundamentalists". If this is true, then resistance activity should decline substantially in coming months. We'll see if this actually happens.

In the course of real political developments, the fates of "symbolic individuals" are trivial. But they can seemingly loom large at a particular moment--imagine the reactions around the world if the Iraqi resistance had been able to plant a mortar shell up Bush's ass on his brief visit to Baghdad.

In any event, however much fuss the media makes, it's not really an "earth-shaking" event.

We should really be thinking about the next war.

Because there'll be one. Count on it!

http://anarchist-action.org/forums/images/smiles/redstar.gif

The RedStar2000 Papers (http://www.anarchist-action.org/marxists/redstar2000/)
A site about communist ideas

[peaccenicked]

The capture of Saddam shall be presented as a moment of Imperialist triumphalism throughout the world. Indeed that will be sickening and nauseous.
Yet there are many lies told about the resistence being mainly "Sadam Loyalist and Terrorists" . There are many involved who hate both Saddam and the Occupiers. This will strengthen the hand of the anti imperialist movement inside Iraq. Ultimately this good news for all anti imperialist forces.
Let us burst their pompous balloons.

[The Feral Underclass]

The imperialists are winning triumpths left right and centre...it is nothing new, and I do not understand why people seem to be so suprised...

[toastedmonkey]

Originally posted by [email protected] 14 2003, 01:58 PM
We should really be thinking about the next war.

Because there'll be one. Count on it!
Im putting my money on the Yankees backing Isreal over Palistein, or a war againest Iran in the name of Terrorism.
(The yankees being the terrorist of course!)

The capture of Sadam is already old news, he has been 'out of the picture' for sometime now, the only significane of his capture is it will lend it self favourably to the Imperialist cause.

[Al Creed]

Go Figure, The US Army Actually Found Something They Were Looking For!

Is it just me, or did I smell the bullshit when they said that Iraq would "become a soveriegn nation in a matter of months?"

And Tony Blair, during his press conference, looked like he wanted to giggle at the beginning.

Give me a brek...I just woke up 15 minutes ago:P

[Soviet power supreme]

Just look at the cheering crowds.

Read flags are everywhere.I saw couple with this logo on them :hammer:

[lostsoul]

I'm worried his capture will slow down the restistance. I am not fully certain the fighting is done 100% by normal iraqi's. I had a filling some of saddam's men were working to coordinate the attacks.

I just hope this does not stop the restiance, or worst..makes it unorginized.

I think the next few days will show us if the saddams capture will really stop the fighting. If Saddam and his people were controlling it, i think the restance will not be as strong..but if it is really is from normal iraqi's then they will probally try to do something really big to show the world that saddam's capture means nothing to them and won't stop them.

i agree 100% that saddams caputure will only help the americians in making it look like they were a success in iraq.(thousands can die..and the americian voter will forget it when they mention they caught saddam).

[Al Creed]

Originally posted by Soviet power [email protected] 14 2003, 09:45 AM
Just look at the cheering crowds.

Read flags are everywhere.I saw couple with this logo on them :hammer:
I too, saw red flags in cheering crowds. I thought it was a figment of my half-asleep imagination

[peaccenicked]

Lost Soul.
If you study the history of modern Iraq in any depth. There would be little doubt in your mind that the Resistance in Iraq is just beginning. Saddam giving himself up might have been his wisest move for a place as hero of Iraq..His ultimate fantasy.

[peaccenicked]

Saddam's capture celebrated around the world
http://www.news.scotsman.com/latest.cfm?id=2297860

The main thing to note is it is being celebrated by even the most strongest opponents of the war.

[Knowledge 6 6 6]

so what happens now? Put on trial in the international court for the millions of international laws he's violated?

Or will the US will go a step further, bring him back to America and use capital punishment?

[peaccenicked]

They will hang one of his lookalikes and give the real Saddam plastic surgery and he will be given a villa in the South Pacific, next door to Bin Laden.

[New Tolerance]

Originally posted by Soviet power [email protected] 14 2003, 02:45 PM
Just look at the cheering crowds.

Read flags are everywhere.I saw couple with this logo on them :hammer:
I saw that too

Yeh, Iraq is going Communist.

[Lardlad95]

Originally posted by New Tolerance+Dec 14 2003, 04:02 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (New Tolerance @ Dec 14 2003, 04:02 PM)
Soviet power [email protected] 14 2003, 02:45 PM
Just look at the cheering crowds.

Read flags are everywhere.I saw couple with this logo on them :hammer:
I saw that too

Yeh, Iraq is going Communist. [/b]
YEAH&#33;&#33;&#33;&#33;

[(*]

Look. I am still against the war, but that did not mean I supported Hussein or wanted him to escape punishment for his crimes against humanity.

It is good that he was caught alive, and he should face trial and be jailed.

peace


*Edit* the pride from right-wingers will get boost...which is unfortunate.

[New Tolerance]

They are putting those pictures on every five minutes, but yet they never comment on those Red Flags. Has anyone seen news regarding the Iraqi Communists?

[peaccenicked]

In my experience the Iraqi communist party and the various factions thereof are slow to give out English translations.

[New Tolerance]

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/3708757/

The Communists are mentioned here. It said that they passed out candies.

[peaccenicked]

I think you can get through from one of the links on my personal website.
surf,,,as you please.
There are two links the workers communist one is probably the best but things change
http://www.geocities.com/paulanderson9/pau...oaderlinks.html (http://www.geocities.com/paulanderson9/paulsdir/broaderlinks.html)

[@[email protected]@]

Perhaps, we should initiate a movement: Let the American soldiers go home crosses the Christmas day?

[peaccenicked]

Damn the links seem to be broken. It could be that the network is very busy.

[Se7en]

It certainly was a war waged under shadely pretenses but I too am glad they got the bastard. The latest I&#39;ve heard is that the Iraqi Governing Council wants to try him in Baghdad.

Does anyone have any pictures of the Red Flags being waved? I would like to see them.

Edit: Bush is going to ride this one all the way back to the White House in &#39;04. :(

[DeadMan]

Capturing Saddam is an empty victory. It&#39;s really just to place confidence in the forces and to make it look like the war was about something. But they still haven&#39;t found the main thing about this war, the WMD, so the capture is empty.

DeadMan.

PS: Didn&#39;t read all the posts. Just tossing in my two cents.

[Fidelbrand]

Originally posted by [email protected] 14 2003, 04:31 PM
It certainly was a war waged under shadely pretenses but I too am glad they got the bastard. The latest I&#39;ve heard is that the Iraqi Governing Council wants to try him in Baghdad.

Does anyone have any pictures of the Red Flags being waved? I would like to see them.

Edit: Bush is going to ride this one all the way back to the White House in &#39;04. :(
yes, agree.

Bush is going to hype up his monkey-brained morale and disgusting arrogant composure again. <_<

HELL&#33;

[@[email protected]@]

onto street&#33; :hammer:

[SgtPepper369]

gratefulphish369: I&#39;m glad we got him
gratefulphish369: but I hope we finish this situation off correctly.
ApPLe 187 JaCKs: with killing him and the rest of iraq?
gratefulphish369: thats you
ApPLe 187 JaCKs: :-)
gratefulphish369: If you really want that to happen. I want to see you and bush riding on the nuke.
ApPLe 187 JaCKs: :-(
gratefulphish369: If you belive that strongly about it you should be able to do it.
ApPLe 187 JaCKs: yes i should but if im on the nuke i will die
gratefulphish369: exactly
ApPLe 187 JaCKs: lol

A conversation that I had with my War Nut Freind (ApPLe 187 JaCKs is the war nut)

Really... If Bush wants to bomb anybody... and he feels that strongly about it... he should be able to strap himself to the bomb.

[Fidelbrand]

UPDATES>>>

before shaved..
http://www.vg.no/bilder/bildarkiv/1071409281.jpg
after..
http://gfx.dagbladet.no/nyheter/2003/12/14/Lsaddam3.jpg

[Soviet power supreme]

Here is a photo of them.

Red flags (http://edition.cnn.com/2003/WORLD/meast/12/14/otsc.bindra/index.html)

[Se7en]

He looks so pathetic in those pictures. You can see the dispair in his eyes, his reign is over.


Jesus taught that not all those who say, "Lord, Lord" will enter heaven. The prize, he said, is for the man who loves his sisters and brothers so deeply that he will lay down his life for them. Che did exactly that&#33;


I like that quote&#33;

[Se7en]

Originally posted by Soviet power [email protected] 14 2003, 12:27 PM
Here is a photo of them.

Red flags (http://edition.cnn.com/2003/WORLD/meast/12/14/otsc.bindra/index.html)
Thank you comrade. The US will never let them come to power though. So much for self-determination.

[Fidelbrand]

Originally posted by [email protected] 14 2003, 05:27 PM
He looks so pathetic in those pictures. You can see the dispair in his eyes, his reign is over.


Jesus taught that not all those who say, "Lord, Lord" will enter heaven. The prize, he said, is for the man who loves his sisters and brothers so deeply that he will lay down his life for them. Che did exactly that&#33;


I like that quote&#33;
thanks man~ I quoted from some passsage which talks abt Che.

Yes, he must have had a bad time underground, maybe eaten badly.
He was found near his birthplace, i can feel how desperate he was.

[DeadMan]

It&#39;s really a shame. He was one of the last non-US influenced countries. He did deal with the US, but my god did he ever hate them lol. It&#39;s too bad, you can almost see in his face that he is so depressed at the terms of event. He probably regrets a few things now.

DeadMan.

[New Tolerance]

Saddam = Sad Ham

[KickMcCann]

How convient this all is....... Were we not just finding out recently about how Haliburton was stealing millions of dollars from the people? I really doubt anybody will remember to discuss that now that Saddam is captured.. A little too convient.....they probably knew were Saddam was all along, just waiting for the right time to pick him up. His capture is probably an attempt to save the Bush administration from the humiliating proof that the entire war was fought to fill the pockets of the filthy corporations that put Bush into power. You have to admit, they are very good at being deceitful.

Also, I think its honest to predict that Saddam will never see a trial. If he were put on trial, he could use his testimony to humilate the Bush lackeys by discribing to the world how the US government supported his reign, how the US government happily supplied him with the Chemical Weapons he used to kill thousands upon thousands of Iranians and Kurds, and how he was good friends with Donald Rumsfeld.

http://www.iraqjournal.org/background/img/saddam-rumsfeld.jpg


No, Saddam will be eliminated the same way Lee Harvey Oswald was; some lone "nut" either a US solider or an Iraqi (either obviously working for the CIA) will shoot him before a trial can take place. Or they could slip him Cyanide "Nuremburg style", put something in his food to cause an untimely heart attack or stroke, put him in a car that drives over a land mine or gets RPG&#39;d or machine-gunned from the side of the road, or make it appear as if he commited suicide in all sorts of fashions.
Regardless of the method, the US Government will kill Saddam Hussein before he can stand trial, that I am sure of. The US government cannot have Saddam airing out their dirty underwear to the entire world; that would be suicide on their own part. So don&#39;t expect any justice, just the classic American bullshit we have all seen many times before.

[DeadMan]

I don&#39;t want Saddam to die. He was, and everyone knows this, a ruthless killer with no remorse....but then again so is the Bush administration so they will simply write off Saddam. It&#39;s a shame tho. If he would stand in trial he could simply say he was under orders of the US to use the crime against humanity (chemical attacks) to get rid of the Holy Koran lifestyle. In the 70s and 80s the Holy Koran in the middle east became the way of life. The laws where extract from the Koran and many countries took these laws (Iran, Saudi Arabia I beleive and a few others). Now this went against the US laws. And with the extreme hate for the US growing in the ME, it was a matter of time before the US would step in and try and stop it. See, that&#39;s the US problem, they think they have to be the World&#39;s babysitter so they neglect there own country. I really do hope Saddam shows the world a little more of the dirty secret of the US. God, it&#39;s so frustrating I can&#39;t even write it down properly.

DeadMan.

[LiquidX]

Just watching the whole hunt for Osama/Sadam has been really frustrating. Argh...its just such a piss off to see what the US does to the rest of the world (see: Bombing innocent civilians, oppressing different views, cencorship, the list goes on...) and then when Osama has the nerve to take a pot shot at the US, its like the greatest crime in the history of the USA. I mean ok alot of innocent people died and I&#39;m saddened for those people and their families, but for god sakes, to see some of the things that the US does to the rest of the world is just maddening.

The last thing we need is the US to be the babysitter of the world. They always intervene in meatters that have no relevence to themselves. Prime example would be Vietnam...they had no buisness being there, but being the good ol&#39; guys that they are they wanted to solve the conflict. And here we are again years later and they&#39;re still fucking with this shit. Here&#39;s a little tip for Bush, why not spend some, if not all that money on things like homelessness, poverty, the judicial system, education, etc, etc. IN THE USA&#33; Not in Iraq, not Afghanistan...why not start at home and build up?

[Xvall]

Either all of them or none of them James? I&#39;m sorry, but with that logic, since Harry Truman never got what was coming to him for murdering hundreds of thousands of Japanese civilians, Hitler and Mussolini should have been excempt from their actions as well.

Please.

I agree that Bush Administration deserves some justice, but so does Hussein. Just because we can&#39;t currently deal with one, it doesn&#39;t mean we should let all the others go too. I suppose the neo-nazis don&#39;t deserve to have anything bad to them either? As if people like Blair aren&#39;t killed, neither should people like Matt Hale die. And Pinochet doesn&#39;t deserve to die either. It just wouldn&#39;t be fair, right?

[Regicidal Insomniac]

http://homepages.which.net/~panic.brixtonpoetry/jpg2/marx.jpghttp://image.guardian.co.uk/sys-images/Guardian/Pix/pictures/2003/12/14/3saddam.jpg


Irrefutable proof that Saddam Hussein was, indeed, a communist&#33;&#33; :o






:P

[hugebologna]

I personnally are glad that the US caught Hussien and shot those two mofo&#39;s of sons. I dont like the fact that the US got into the fight because of the bull about chemical weapons and mass bull. We know they didnt have shit, all this is jsut another step toward the spread of world wide capitolism.

But Saddam did kill all those people and is a ruthless dictator and he deserfes to be killed.

Mister Bush what are your thoughts on the war and all the casualties between Saddam&#39;s forces and yours?

Hmm. No reply. Odd.

[hawarameen]

emancipation&#33;

[Blackberry]

The Joys Of Empire

Written by Mark Jensen

Americans awoke on Sunday, Dec. 14, to the news that Saddam Hussein had been captured on the evening of the day before in Iraq (at about 9:30 a.m. PST on Saturday, Dec. 13) in a "spider hole" (as Gen. Sanchez called it) beneath the courtyard of a small rural dwelling south of Tikrit, where the fallen Iraqi tyrant was born about 65 years ago. The Iraqis listening to the initial announcement by Jerry Bremer erupted in joyful shouting. A few hours later President Bush made a televised statement from the White House, saying: "The capture of this man was crucial to the rise of a free Iraq."

But will the capture of the man designated by the Pentagon as the "Ace of Spades" end the Iraqi resistance? Will the Iraqi people now embrace the Bush administration&#39;s conception of "freedom"?

US public relations campaigns have demonized the brutal dictator of Iraq in selling the Iraq war to the American people. Saddam has been portrayed as the quintessence of evil, a malefic force, an evil genius who maintained power in Iraq through a regime of torture and terror while plotting diabolically to obtain "weapons of mass destruction" that would enable him to gratify his malevolent desire to inflict massive death and destruction upon the United States, a nation he is said to hate because, as George W. Bush put it, "we are good."

But of course it was not Hussein&#39;s crimes against his own people, the danger he posed to his neighbors, or the non-existent potential he had to destroy the United States that motivated the US war on Iraq. Nor was it his interest in developing weapons of mass destruction, which the US was happy to tolerate and even encourage during the 1980s when Iraq appeared to be a bulwark protecting Middle Eastern oilfields from the Islamic Revolution fomented in Iran by the Ayatollah Khomeini.

And in the eight months since the fall of Baghdad on April 9, it has not been a love of Saddam Hussein that has been motivating the Iraqi resistance to US occupation. This is not a "guerrilla war waged by holdouts loyal to ousted Iraqi President Saddam Hussein," as Tacoma reporter Mike Gilbert asserted in Sunday&#39;s News Tribune while attempting to explain the destruction of a &#036;2-million Stryker reconnaissance vehicle on Saturday by an "improvised explosive device."

Interviews with resisters that have appeared in recent weeks in the Western press (see, for example, an interview with "Abu Mujahid" with a UPI reporter, published in the Washington Times on Dec. 9) have made it clear that it is a desire to bring an end to US occupation that is motivating those fighting against US forces and their allies in Iraq, not support for the widely despised Hussein.

Sen. Jay Rockefeller IV of West Virginia, ranking Democrat on the US Senate Intelligence Committee (and great-grandson of the oil billionaire who was once America&#39;s richest man), said on Sunday: "Given the location and circumstances of his capture, it makes it clear that Saddam was not managing the insurgency, and that he had very little control or influence. That is significant and disturbing because it means the insurgents are not fighting for Saddam, they&#39;re fighting against the United States."

So how will the coalition forces and their leaders in the White House and the Pentagon explain continued resistance to their rule, now that Saddam Hussein has been captured? President Bush&#39;s statement on Sunday was followed within minutes by enormous explosions in downtown Baghdad, as if to announce that the capture of the Iraqi dictator did not mean an end to resistance. The elimination of the possibility of Saddam&#39;s return may even widen the resistance&#39;s appeal to Iraqis.

The capture of Saddam Hussein may be a cause for rejoicing. But will these joys of empire be short-lived? How will the US explain continued resistance to the occupation?

The United States of America has no business running Iraq. United for Peace of Pierce County continues to urge that the US renounce its dangerous and un-American doctrine of preemptive war and turn over stewardship of Iraq to the only international institution that can claim any legitimacy in the current situation: the United Nations. The consequences of the alternative to this approach are described in the subtitle of Chalmers Johnson&#39;s new book: "Militarism, Secrecy, and the End of the Republic."

http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/a...article5373.htm (http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article5373.htm)

[gawkygeek]

i personaly pity the man, he was for so many years living in luxiery and basking in his gloriful power, and then just to be stuck there in the filth, that little hole, it must have just destroyed him, made him feel what its like to be a mortal man. so many ppl are calling for his death, but to be alive, that would be a sentence far more severe, he wants the end, he is ready for it pleading for it in his absence of words, standing trial i doubt he would attack the american imperialists, no he would beg for his death. he does not deserve death he has lived many years as a tyrant with an overwhelming amount of power, and the only just penalty is many years of absent power. im not talking about mercy, im speaking of just punishment. death is just too easy for a man so evil.

[Blackberry]

Saddam&#39;s Capture Will Not Stop The Relentless Killings From Insurgents

Robert Fisk in Baghdad

15 December 2003: (The Independent) "Peace" and "reconciliation" were the patois of Downing Street and the White House yesterday. But all those hopes of a collapse of resistance are doomed. Saddam was neither the spiritual nor the political guide to the insurgency that is now claiming so many lives in Iraq - far more Iraqi than Western lives, one might add - and, however happy Messrs Bush and Blair may be at the capture of Saddam, the war goes on.

In Fallujah, in Ramadi, in other centres of Sunni power in Iraq, the anti-occupation rising will continue. The system of attacks and the frighteningly fast-growing sophistication of the insurgents is bound up with the Committee of the Faith, a group of Wahabi-based Sunni Muslims who now plan their attacks on American occupation troops between Mosul and the city of Hilla, 50 miles south of Baghdad. Even before the overthrow of the Baathist regime, these groups, permitted by Saddam in the hope that they could drain off Sunni Islamic militancy, were planning the mukawama - the resistance against foreign occupation.

The slaughter of 17 more Iraqis yesterday in a bomb attack on a police station - hours after the capture of Saddam, though the bombers could not have known that - is going to remain Iraq&#39;s bloody agenda. The Anglo-American narrative will then be more difficult to sustain. Saddam "remnants" or Saddam "loyalists" are far more difficult to sustain as enemies when they can no longer be loyal to Saddam. Their Iraqi identity will become more obvious and the need to blame "foreign" al-Qa&#39;ida members all the greater.

Yet the repeated assertions of US infantry commanders, especially those based around Mosul and Tikrit, that most of their attackers are Iraqi rather than foreign, show that the American military command in Iraq - at least at the divisional level - knows the truth. The 82nd Airborne captain in Fallujah who told me that his men were attacked by "Syrian-backed terrorists and Iraqi freedom-fighters" was probably closer to the truth than Major Ricardo Sanchez, the US commander in Iraq, would like to believe. The war is not about Saddam but about foreign occupation.

Indeed, professional soldiers have been pointing this out for a long time. Yesterday, for example, a sergeant in the 1st Armoured Division on checkpoint duty in Baghdad explained the situation to The Independent in remarkably blunt words. "We&#39;re not going to go home any sooner because of Saddam&#39;s getting caught," he said. "We all came to search for weapons of mass destruction and attention has now been diverted from that. The arrest of Saddam is meaningless. We still don&#39;t know why we came here."

There are groups aplenty with enthusiasm to attack the Americans but who never had any love for Saddam. One example is the Unification Front for the Liberation of Iraq, which was anti-Saddam but has now called on its supporters to fight the American occupation. In all, The Independent has identified 12 separate guerrilla groups, all loosely in touch with each other through tribal connections, but only one could be identified as comprising Saddam loyalists or Baathists.

When the first roadside bomb exploded in the centre of a motorway median at Khan Dari in the summer, killing one soldier, it was followed by identically manufactured mines - three mortars wired together - in both Kirkuk and Mosul. Within a week, another copy-cat mine exploded near US troops outside Nasiriyah. Clearly, groups of insurgents were touring the country with explosive ordnance capabilities, organised, possibly, on a national level.

In many areas, men identifying themselves as resistors have openly boasted that they are joining the new American-paid police forces in order to earn money, gain experience with weapons and gather intelligence on their American military "allies". Exactly the same fate that befell the Israelis in Lebanon, where their proxy Lebanese South Lebanon Army militia started collaborating with their Hizbollah enemies, is now likely to encompass the Americans.

The same men who are going to carry on attacking the Americans will, of course, be making a secret holiday in their heart over the capture of Saddam. Why, they will argue, should they not rejoice at the end of their greatest oppressor while planning the humiliation of the occupying army which seized him?

[Blackberry]

"The Tyrant Is Now A Prisoner"

By Robert Fisk in Baghdad

15 December 2003: (The Independent) So they got Saddam at last. Unkempt, his tired eyes betraying defeat; even the &#036;750,000 in cash found in his hole in the ground demeaned him.

Saddam in chains; maybe not literally, but he looked in that extraordinary videotape yesterday like a prisoner of ancient Rome, the barbarian at last cornered, the hand caressing the scraggy beard. All those ghosts - of gassed Iranians and Kurds, of Shias gunned into the mass graves of Karbala, of the prisoners dying under excruciating torture in the villas of Saddam&#39;s secret police - must surely have witnessed something of this.

"Ladies and gentlemen - we got him," crowed Paul Bremer, the American proconsul in Iraq. "This is a great day in Iraq&#39;s history. For decades, hundreds of thousands of you suffered at the hands of this cruel man. For decades, this cruel man divided you against each other. For decades, he threatened to attack your neighbours. These days are gone for ever ... the tyrant is a prisoner," he said.

Tony Blair said: "Saddam has gone from power, he won&#39;t be coming back. That the Iraqi people now know, and it is they who will decide his fate."

It took just 600 American soldiers to capture the man who was for 12 years one of the West&#39;s best friends in the Middle East and for 12 more years the West&#39;s greatest enemy in the Middle East. In a miserable 8ft hole in the mud of a Tigris farm near the village of Ad-Dawr, the president of the Iraqi Arab Republic, leader of the Arab Socialist Baath party, ex-guerrilla fighter, invader of two nations, friend of Jacques Chirac and a man once courted by President Ronald Reagan, was found hiding, almost certainly betrayed by his own comrades and now destined - if the Americans mean what they say - to a trial for war crimes on a Nuremberg scale.

For weeks, US forces had prowled the countryside along the Tigris river, arresting former Baathist functionaries, questioning former bodyguards, blasting away at the guerrillas of Tikrit and Samarra and Mosul and killing civilians along with them.

But yesterday was, beyond a doubt, an American military victory - if, and only if, this ends the insurgency against the Americans.

In Baghdad, the occupation authorities showed, over and over again, those images - far more haunting for his victims than for us Westerners - of the Beast of Baghdad.

If they were Che Guevara&#39;s eyes, the beard belonged to Fidel Castro. There was even a kind of crazed Karl Marx in the face. Brutal, of course. They all are, the Middle East&#39;s dictators, in a place where cruelty can be praised as strength. Tribal, most certainly.

But one impression there was that conquered all others. This was revolution gone to seed.

The ironies were extraordinary. In his youth, in 1959, Saddam had tried to assassinate an Iraqi president and, with a bullet in his leg, had hidden in the Tikrit countryside not far from the place where, almost half a century later - this weekend - he was captured by the Americans. He had - the video images at least suggested this - tried to return to his youth. Saddam the Monster had reverted to Saddam the Warrior, fighting against overwhelming odds, an Iraqi patriot rather than an Iraqi dictator.

"Talkative and co-operative," the Americans called him after his capture. I&#39;m not surprised. Suddenly, he was important again, a war criminal to be sure - but no longer a man in a hole. And it was difficult yesterday, looking at those pictures of the Lion of Iraq - for this is what he called himself - to remember how royally he had been toasted in the past.

This was the man who was the honour guest of the city of Paris when Mr Chirac was mayor and when the French could see the Jacobins in his bloody regime. This was the man who negotiated with the UN secretary generals Perez de Cuellar and Kofi Annan, who had chatted over coffee to none other than the now US Secretary of Defence, Donald Rumsfeld, who had met Ted Heath and Tony Benn and a host of European statesmen.

But is it really the end of the nightmare? Certainly, the broken creature in the American videotape was not going to run the movie backwards. His days were, as they say, over. There was a kind of relief in his face. The drama had ended. He was alive, unlike his tens of thousands of victims. Was a volume of memoirs in his fatigued mind? The final indignity of having his hair yanked by an American doctor might have been assuaged by the memory of all those French surgeons who once attended to his family&#39;s needs. For no Iraqi doctor ever dared operate on the Tikritis.

Sure, you could watch the gunmen celebrating yesterday, the shoals of bullets soaring into the night sky over Baghdad. The killer of their fathers, brothers, sons, wives, mothers, was at last in chains.

I was amid the slums of Sadr City - once Saddam City - when a cascade of rifle fire swept the streets. I was sitting on the concrete floor of a Shia cleric who had been run down and killed by an American tank, amid Iraqis with no love for the Americans, and the gunfire grew louder. A boy walked from the room and ran back with news that Iraqi radio was announcing the capture of Saddam. And faces that had been dark with mourning - that had not smiled for a week - beamed with pleasure.

The gunfire grew louder, until clusters of bullets swarmed into the air amid grenade bursts. In the main street, cars crashed into each other in the chaos.

But this was momentary joy, not jubilation. There were no massive crowds on the boulevards of Baghdad, no street parties, no expressions of joy from the ordinary people of the capital city.

For Saddam has bequeathed to his country and to its would-be "liberators" something uniquely terrible: continued war. And there was one conclusion upon which every Iraqi I spoke to yesterday agreed.

This bedraggled, pathetic man with his matted, dirty hair, living in a hole in the ground with three guns and cash as his cave-companions - this man was not leading the Iraqi insurgency against the Americans. Indeed, more and more Iraqis were saying before Saddam&#39;s capture that the one reason they would not join the resistance to US occupation was the fear that - if the Americans withdrew - Saddam would return to power. Now that fear has been taken away. So the nightmare is over - and the nightmare is about to begin. For both the Iraqis and for us.

I met him once, almost a quarter of a century ago. We shook hands before a Baghdad press conference in which he tried to explain the finer points of binary fission. He was keen, at the time, to develop nuclear weapons. He wore vast double-breasted suits at the time, the kind that Nazi leaders once wore, overlarge, floppy coats that gleamed too much. All I can remember was that his hands were cold and damp.

[Invader Zim]

Originally posted by [email protected] 14 2003, 01:30 PM
Why do you hate Saddam? You hate him because you have been told to hate him. I do not hear any Iraqis saying they hate Saddam, what do they say, compared to the Americans he was a saint. You talk about people starving, that is America where the people starve while billions are wasted on murder destruction and oppression. Saddam fed all his people in spite of the American blockade. Iraq is a battlefield but so is your mind, you can&#39;t have any effect on events in Iraq but you have complete control over what you choose to believe. If it comes from America it is bullshit and should be treated as such. They have taken control of your mind without firing a single shot, what use are you to the revolution if you can be so easily defeated? In Iraq they have dropped thousands and fired millions of shots, yet the Iraqi&#39;s hearts and minds cannot be enslaved. You should learn from them who are so gloriously defending their freedom, because what they think really matters wheras the nonsense that the brainwashed tools of the beast parrot matters not because they have no minds. You petty bourgeoise idealists get so worked up over nonsense that is all in your head but when it comes to the real world you neither know nor care, but it is in the real world that we are winning already, all we ask of you is that you free your own mind.
Why do you hate Saddam? You hate him because you have been told to hate him.

Well I dont know about TAT but I hate him because he has commited genocide etc. Of course IT COULD all be lies from the capitalist americans and I cant prove it&#39;s not... but I doubt it is all lies. But if you want to go and talk about proof prove you exist and that you are not a CIA agent spying on che lives....

I do not hear any Iraqis saying they hate Saddam

Nahh, I here it all the time, did you not see them celebrating in the streets when they heard he was caught?

You talk about people starving, that is America where the people starve while billions are wasted on murder destruction and oppression.

What so let me get this straight, your logic is because the yanks dont feed everyone in the world, they cant remove tyrants who commit horrific war crimes? Dont quite follow your logic on that one.

Iraq is a battlefield but so is your mind, you can&#39;t have any effect on events in Iraq but you have complete control over what you choose to believe.

Ohh shut up with that crap, next you&#39;ll be saying "Use the Force".

If it comes from America it is bullshit and should be treated as such.

Right... great course it must be shit. :rolleyes:

They have taken control of your mind without firing a single shot

The force is with you.

You should learn from them who are so gloriously defending their freedom, because what they think really matters wheras the nonsense that the brainwashed tools of the beast parrot matters not because they have no minds.

Thats an interesting statement, because according to practically all news sources irrelevant of political ideology they all seems to say that the majority of the "freedom fighters" are ex-regime, or foreign Muslims fighters who have a problem with Americans and want to shoot at them. They fight for fascism, what a great bunch, really.


You petty bourgeoise idealists get so worked up over nonsense that is all in your head but when it comes to the real world you neither know nor care, but it is in the real world that we are winning already, all we ask of you is that you free your own mind.

"Petty Bourgeoisie" are we? Well as you seems to be able to afford the use of a computer, the internet, it would suggest a rather affluant life style, and therefor you are like as not "Petty Bourgeoisie" as well. BTW what would you say if I told you that you are NOT "Petty Bourgeoisie", because the Bourgeoisie does not exist.

Now piss off and watch star wars.

[The Feral Underclass]

Enigma and Looter


Well I dont know about TAT but I hate him because he has commited genocide etc.

I hate him because he exacted a blatant and ruthel disregard for the sanctity of life and liberty. I think it is important not to be blinded by our hatred for the ruling class or for imperialism. Saddam was but in place by the ruling class and is as bad, if not worse than any of these plutocrats who control our world. Saddam Hussein murdered men, women and children with impunity simply to assert his subjective control over people who did not want him as their leader. He is a disgrace to everything we hold to be right or moral. He is George Bush and Tony Blair. He is our enemy, just as the rest of the ruling class are.


course IT COULD all be lies from the capitalist americans and I cant prove it&#39;s not

There have been countless independent documentries and first hand accounts of Saddams rule. I watched a Channel 4 documentry, produced by left leaning, albeit reformist, journalists who showed footage they had filmed of Fedayeen miscreants beheading women in the street because they had been accused of prostitution.

The mass gravesd that have been uncovered, the torture chambers found. This is directed at looter: Are we to believe that these things are all imperialist creations? By your logic every single thing that comes out of the news is false. How on earth do you plan to have a revolution if you think every journalist, photographer, all the iraqi people who have come forward with statements about their oppression are all just imperialist agents, bent on brainwashing the left wing.

What about the charities and organizations set up to care for the millions of kurds ethnicly cleansed from their homes. Forced out by gun point. What about the footage of the kurds being attacked by Iraqi war planes as they tried to escape across mountains. men, women and children being showered with bullets. Innocent people dying for the simple fact they belong to a different kind of people...are we to believe this is all imperialist lies. Creations, stage plays set up the americans too fool us all...

What about the photographs from Kurdistan of dead civilians...like this one. Is this just a creation.

[Comrade Ceausescu]

I can honestly say that never in all my time here have I been so dissapointed in you guys as a whole(most of you).Throw away my pro-Saddam views.They mean nothing.It dosen&#39;t matter.What matters is that this capture is gonna win Bush the 2004 election,you know that right?If anyone is still rejoicing you better run before I shoot you.Comrade James,great posts.Anarchist Tension,from reading your posts at times it sounds like you have a pro-occupation view.

[The Feral Underclass]

Anarchist Tension,from reading your posts at times it sounds like you have a pro-occupation view.

That&#39;s because people in here live in this culture of trying to prove the hypocrisy of everyone else. I am not pro-occupation and I think it is rediculas that I can be accused of such...Have none of you read my posts on here...from all my points of view you have deduced support his occupation. It&#39;s crazy&#33;&#33;&#33;

I do not support the US or their occupation of Iraq. However, Saddam Hussein is a criminal and should be punished as one. Of course there is the argument that it will bolster the US agenda but it is no suprise. The US would continue to perpetrate its control over the area whether Saddam was caught or not. The argument here is not whether the US will benifit from Saddams caputre, which undoubtedly they will, but that the entire system and validity of what is happening in Iraq and why is wrong. I fail to see the relevance of the capture or saddam in the wider political context. We live in a bouregois society. Do you thing that suddenly the bouregoisie will act like decent people, with the working classes interests at heart, just because they captured another ruler. Of course they wont. but why are you suprised. Of course they will use it as propoganda, what&#39;s new. They will try him and possible executing and so what. The bastard deserves it. People in here just seem to like all the hype and seem to be suprised the ruling class will use this to their benifit...WHAT DID YOU PEOPLE EXPECT&#33;&#33;&#33;

[Moose]

big whoop hes been captured. bush is still a tard and wont take the troops outta there.

[RevolucioN NoW]

Saddam&#39;s capture is a great day for the Iraqi people, while it closes a bloody page in history, it opens an even worse one.

I wish that Saddam would be release onto a baghdad street, he&#39;d live around 10 seconds :D

But the resistance will probably only expand now, given that saddam has become their &#39;Martyr&#39; of sorts.

Also, anyone who believes that saddam was commanding the resistance from a poorly ventalated, rat infested hole in the ground has another thing coming.

[seen_che]

Saddam WAS an IMPERIALIST&#33;&#33;&#33;&#33; HE (alone) RULED many peaples lives....
But I still think that the USA shold stop playing world polis.... ..... but Irak shold have it´s FREEDOM
It´s hard to say becaus I´m on nither sides.....
But killing Saddam will NOT stop terrorism..... :ph34r: :ph34r:
BUT HE DESERVS A PUNISHMENT&#33;&#33;&#33;&#33;

[Sabocat]

Finding Hussein means nothing. He obviously isn&#39;t controlling the resistance. That was obvious from the holes he was living in.

All of this media hysteria was nothing more than political manipulation. Hussein&#39;s "trial" will be manipulated much like Noriega&#39;s. This is what happens when a CIA puppet breaks his leash and gets away from his handlers.

Yes, I&#39;m sure that he&#39;ll get a fair trial from the sock puppet judges and juries the U&#036; and Bremmer will install on that trial. :lol: :lol: Rest assured, it will not be a public trial. He will not be allowed to tell the world, how with the encouragement from the U&#036; he attacked Iran and the Kurd&#39;s. He will not be allowed to tell the world that the WMD&#39;s were supplied by the U&#036; and others. It will be a quick kangaroo court trial and summary execution. Nice and clean and neat for all the complicit parties.

Is it me, or could anyone else visualize Fidel Castro being treated the same way? Picture if you can, all the exiles in Miami celebrating for the media to film and show you at 6 o&#39;clock. You know it&#39;s coming. How many of you will support his capture and trial as a "butcher" when the time comes? Will all the Cubans that would be fighting against occupation also be labelled as Fidel loyalists?

[The Feral Underclass]

It will be a quick kangaroo court trial and summary execution.

Good&#33;

[Socialsmo o Muerte]

I know it sounds diplomatic and democratic to send Saddam to an Iraqi court, but I think we should all support him being tried before an International court.

It is no wonder Bush and Blair are saying that they willl let the Iraqi people decide what to do with an Iraqi criminal. They want people to think they are saying that because it is the democratic thing to do. Truth is, of course Bush won&#39;t want it to go to an international court because then, Iranians will be able to put the important question to Saddam: "Who armed you?"

I know we know the answer, but imagine what Saddam might reveal about the way America funded his every move against Iran which then led to his doings later on.

Putting Saddam to an International Court is a blessing in disguise.

[acg4_9]

Why do you hate Saddam? You hate him because you have been told to hate him. I do not hear any Iraqis saying they hate Saddam, what do they say, compared to the Americans he was a saint. You talk about people starving, that is America where the people starve while billions are wasted on murder destruction and oppression. Saddam fed all his people in spite of the American blockade. Iraq is a battlefield but so is your mind, you can&#39;t have any effect on events in Iraq but you have complete control over what you choose to believe. If it comes from America it is bullshit and should be treated as such. They have taken control of your mind without firing a single shot, what use are you to the revolution if you can be so easily defeated? In Iraq they have dropped thousands and fired millions of shots, yet the Iraqi&#39;s hearts and minds cannot be enslaved. You should learn from them who are so gloriously defending their freedom, because what they think really matters wheras the nonsense that the brainwashed tools of the beast parrot matters not because they have no minds. You petty bourgeoise idealists get so worked up over nonsense that is all in your head but when it comes to the real world you neither know nor care, but it is in the real world that we are winning already, all we ask of you is that you free your own mind

100% correct looter

i am from the middle east and what happened yesterday was painful most of the working class arabs cried there eyes out he was our last hope in fighting the american existence in the arab region after our leaders sold us to emperialism. saddam, our leader, made some crimes but who didn&#39;t. what i mean is that he made the crimes before 1996 but now he&#39;s leading the battle for the freedom of iraq so, for freedom fighters he&#39;s now better than any ruler around but after his tragic capture there is no hope. the attacks will continue but they&#39;ll come less day after a day and in a year there will be only indivisual attemps. when i saw saddam yesterday i remembered what happened to che and his group when he was captured and murdered, the resistance disapeared.
the ones fighting in iraq are ba&#39;ath fighters cause this party taught them that the land and honor are the most precious thing saddam was caught and he is not the president now but don&#39;t forget that he refused bush&#39;s offer before the war to leave iraq with his money family and friends why? because honor can&#39;t be selled so he payed for that his money family and his freedom but he faught, and for the arabs he did his best for a 70 year old man. for the other fighters they are islamics bolshevics and nationalists from iraq and from arab countries.
after saddam has gone we&#39;re looking not at a new viatnam but a new lebanon a civil war.

god bless our freedom fighters
viva palestine, viva iraq.

[peaccenicked]

Anarchist Tension
you might want to watch this film. It may turn you into a humanist.
http://www.target.com/gp/detail.html/601-9...asin=6305261296 (http://www.target.com/gp/detail.html/601-9104824-2132118?asin=6305261296)

It is an authortarian act to approve of the murder of another human being,no matter how bad their crimes have been.

[hawarameen]

i am stuck for words on some of your replies i really dont know what to say. acg... you really have no idea&#33;

if a man mugs an old age pensioner i expect him to be punished, if a man sexually assaults a child i expect him to be punished, if a man murders another man in cold blood i expect him to be punished. these are the only things you need to consider.

i do not agree with the way america has handled it and infact i would have prefered no involvment from america. i know his capture wont improve things in iraq. i know it was america who made him so powerfull and i do not know if iraq will be any better off now he&#39;s gone but america would have to do some major killings for iraq to be worse off. and before any of you start jumping up and down and pointing fingers this does not mean in any way that i support america.

the man has killed not one, two or three but hundreds of thousands maybe even millions, for this he deserves to face punishment. this is the ONLY thing you need to consider.

a terrible chapter in iraqi history has ended, if another terible chapter is about to begin it does not follow that people should be content with the mass murderer that they have now in case the next leader is a murderer too. things need to change sometimes they change for the good and sometimes they dont. anyone who says that iraq WILL be worse off now should share their mystical powers with the rest of the world.

[The Feral Underclass]

Peaccenicked

I have seen them film and fail to see your point.

You seem to be trying to prove something. Everytime you reply to something I have said you accuse me of being an authotarian. Come a revolution there is going to be a hell of alot of killing. I will be fighting with the workers and defending the revolution against men who pale in comparison to Saddam Hussein. It is the nature of being a revolutionary. it is the inevitablity of workers consciousness.

I am not a pacifist and I believe that violence is justified in the context of workers struggle. I also believe it to be justified in ridding this world of human beings such as Saddam, Bush and Blair. I have no compassion for these people. You speak of humanism. For whom. For people who condoned the killing of children. Rapings, torture, the destruction of peoples livly hoods for no reason but revenge. If you want to have sympothy for this man because he is a human and use your humanistic beliefs to annul his crimes then fine. It is your perogative. However, I hate him. As I hate Bush and Blair. I hate them because of what they do to the workers. I hate what they do to the world. For these indeviduals their acts are done with consciousness. There attacks on workers rights, there destruction of the planet is done with impunity. They do it to further their own imperialist agenda. Saddam and the like have absolutly know regard for the sanctity of human life. I am not advocating the execution of a robber or a drug dealer. I am advocating the death of a brutal, disgusting man. A human being whos crimes against innocent people are insurmountable. I fail to see how wanting this man dead contradicts my ideals on who to fight for and build a better world. In fact I think they reinforce them.

[Valkyrie]

Hey, does anyone know where they are holding him? Is he in Iraq, the US, Guantanamo--- in a jail cell or getting diplomatic treatment? Will he claim police brutality? What exactly are his rights? Does anyone know any details?

[Valkyrie]

I&#39;m able to answer my own question --- he is being held at the airport in Bagdad, apparently in preparation of being flown somewhere else.

[acg4_9]

comrade hawarameen my idea that he&#39;s the best here. we live in a sea of emperialism and dictators and the iraqies that were happy are the minority and most of them will have benefit from the entery of the us.you want his crimes :
-war against iranian facists that say they are angle islamics.
-war against gulf capatalists that want to be richer by killing there brothers economicly.
-declared war on emperialism capatalism and the one pole rule of the US.
- building his country by iraqi hands (saddam managed to return electricity to iraq in less than three months after the kuwait war the allience can&#39;t do that until now)
- putting iraq as a first world country before the UN sanctions.
- giving his people (all of them) free food water electricity and health care despite the sanctions.
- being the only leader that supportes palestiniens .
-putting rules that kill anyone that steals the money of the people and to any one that betrays the country and that&#39;s something done by all countries in a non-direct way.
you say children and women all the children and women that died in iraq died from:
- UN sanctions
- US bombings
- halabja is an iranian attack and i posted an article last month about that.
but the US doesn&#39;t want a third world leader to rise so they did every thing to kill his movement.
i don&#39;t denie that he made some mistakes but in his condition who wouldn&#39;t? he killed hundreds of men but they were rebles and i don&#39;t think that any leader will respond softly to rebles.
the world media is controlled by emperialists and zionist don&#39;t let them fool you i am from the arab region and i am telling you about something seen.
there isn&#39;t black or white in politics its all purple so media can make the purple black or white so watch out and choose the brightist not the one they want you to choose.
the ones who don&#39;t believe me try to come to jordan and i&#39;ll take them to iraq and you can see and hear by yourself i know it&#39;s difficult now but some day you will see and the history will write.

god bless our freedom fighters.
viva palestine, viva iraq

[Blackberry]

Originally posted by Socialsmo o [email protected] 16 2003, 01:19 AM
Truth is, of course Bush won&#39;t want it to go to an international court because then, Iranians will be able to put the important question to Saddam: "Who armed you?"

I know we know the answer, but imagine what Saddam might reveal about the way America funded his every move against Iran which then led to his doings later on.

Putting Saddam to an International Court is a blessing in disguise.
If he is actually tried anywhere, he will of course not be saying anything of worth. He has a lot of dirt to throw at nations like the U.S.A, along with other European countries like the UK and France, but in American hands, he will not be saying anything. If he cooperates, then they&#39;ll put him through court.

If he refuses to cooperate, they&#39;ll either set up his death (whether by execution without trial or planned killing of him by &#39;an angry Iraqi who was passing by&#39;) or keep him held indefinitely.

[Blackberry]

From Melbourne Indymedia:

"It is likely Saddam will be subjected to a kangaroo show trial (http://www.indymedia.org.uk/en/regions/london/2003/12/282832.html): 3 days before his alleged capture, the Bush appointed Interim governmant in Iraq set up a special war crimes tribunal (http://english.aljazeera.net/NR/exeres/CC95D495-E992-42B5-A9B6-CCBCA1A26DEB.htm) that will be closed to the world except for "outside experts".

[hawarameen]

i am not going to try and reduce myself to replying to your post if you are a saddam loyalist then say so but please make no excuses.

you are from the arabic region? well i am kurdish, from iraq and i am sick to death of arab countries supporting a man who is against america simply because of that fact, irrispective of his brutality. mistakes???? thats an understatement, i know people who lost whole families in the anfal campaign thats his wife, brothers, sisters parents and children, condone that you prick&#33;
if i took the same stance as you i would have to support israel as they hated saddam but no, i recognise a tyrant when i see one and when i see palestinians being interviewd and they say how much they loved him just because they supported him it makes me sick, the hell with the people he&#39;s killed, he gave us money and that makes him a hero.

kurds and palestinians are fighting oppresion but when i hear theese interviews i cant help thinking &#39;fuck you&#39;.

give me 5 mins with that man and i will show you what i will do to your beloved saddam.

[acg4_9]

you want to be left with him i am afraid - eventhough he&#39;s seventy years old- he&#39;ll kick the shet out of you cause you kurds can&#39;t work without the help of the yankie you need 600 US troops to have the guts and stand in his face. why don&#39;t i hear you say anything about the iranian and turkish attacks on your people, but because the US told you to shut up you agreed because there are US dollars. kurds and arabs both lost relatives in the kurd wars so don&#39;t say that he killed your people, barazani sarted it. did you forget that after the kurds had there own country in the 91 they started killing each other (thousand died between 1991 and 1996 while the great ojlan is in turkish prison. tell me about the barazani relations with the israeli mosad and about the relations between the kurds and the cia. but after all that the nationalist - not the US agents- kurds are treated here like friends - ask your relatives in jordan- do you know that the second vice president of the ba&#39;athi iraq is a kurd. comrade, if we want to count the reason why the arabs and kurds should hate each other we&#39;ll take ages so why don&#39;t we count our advantages together and one of them is that we lived together for hundreds of years in peace and love we fought together and died together so lets keep the yankies away cause since emperialism came between us we lost a lot lets open a new page and fight together not for saddam not for arabs not for kurds but for iraq, the honour and creating a better future for our children.

god bless our freedom fighters
viva palestine, viva iraq

[Socialsmo o Muerte]

Anyone here saying they are Saddam loylaists are saying they also support the Halabja massacre, the unjust invasions of Iran and Kuwait and the murder of thousands of Iraqis for having an opinion.

Calling Saddam Hussein a "criminal" is something of an understatement. What he did to the Kurdish people was an act of pure evil. His assault on the Ayatollah&#39;s Iran was a hunt for power and his attack on Juwait was a hunt for wealth.

Ok, he was defying America. Good for him. But what is his defiance of America worth when you consider the number of people he has brutally murdered.

It&#39;s not even worth arguing against Saddam-loyalists. There is no good in what that man has done in his time on this earth.

[Invader Zim]

Originally posted by [email protected] 16 2003, 07:13 PM
you want to be left with him i am afraid - eventhough he&#39;s seventy years old- he&#39;ll kick the shet out of you cause you kurds can&#39;t work without the help of the yankie you need 600 US troops to have the guts and stand in his face. why don&#39;t i hear you say anything about the iranian and turkish attacks on your people, but because the US told you to shut up you agreed because there are US dollars. kurds and arabs both lost relatives in the kurd wars so don&#39;t say that he killed your people, barazani sarted it. did you forget that after the kurds had there own country in the 91 they started killing each other (thousand died between 1991 and 1996 while the great ojlan is in turkish prison. tell me about the barazani relations with the israeli mosad and about the relations between the kurds and the cia. but after all that the nationalist - not the US agents- kurds are treated here like friends - ask your relatives in jordan- do you know that the second vice president of the ba&#39;athi iraq is a kurd. comrade, if we want to count the reason why the arabs and kurds should hate each other we&#39;ll take ages so why don&#39;t we count our advantages together and one of them is that we lived together for hundreds of years in peace and love we fought together and died together so lets keep the yankies away cause since emperialism came between us we lost a lot lets open a new page and fight together not for saddam not for arabs not for kurds but for iraq, the honour and creating a better future for our children.

god bless our freedom fighters
viva palestine, viva iraq
Ahh we have a racist... and one who supports brutal murderers, tell me mate do you support Hitler? He hated Jews and waged war on America, sounds like just your kind of bloke.

I hope that for your sake you never have a Saddam Hussein ruling your nation, because you would welcome them with open arms just before he shoots your family.

I second everything Socialsmo o Muerte stated.

[hawarameen]

my friend wanted a better future for his children, now theyre dead.

forever in strugle,

hawar ameen

[redstar2000]

I know you&#39;re a real happy guy right now, Enema. If Bush is smirking and Blair is giggling, you must be rolling in the streets with mirth.

A wonderful victory for U.S. and British imperialism...no question about it. You can&#39;t be blamed for celebrating while you have the chance.

Of course, it wouldn&#39;t be an Enema post without your usual intellectual dishonesty.

Hitler hated Jews and America.

The Palestinians hate Israelis and America.

Therefore, the Palestinian resistance is "like" the Nazis.

Typical. :angry:


Others here might wish to give some more serious consideration to the possible consequences of these events. The public humiliation of the "last" secular resistance to U.S. imperialism in the Middle East can only strengthen the influence of Muslim fundamentalism.

In particular, young people who might have chosen to fight both U.S. imperialism and reactionary religious fanaticism are now faced with a much narrower choice: which Muslim fundamentalist group to join. :o

It is possible that we may indeed be at the dawning of a genuine religious war...a "perfect cover" for American imperial ambitions in the Middle East and in other Muslim countries.

I don&#39;t wish to sound "too" pessimistic here...it&#39;s certainly possible that a new "left" and "secular" resistance may emerge in Iraq and elsewhere.

But things don&#39;t look too good, in my opinion. It&#39;s definitely not a time for "celebration".

http://anarchist-action.org/forums/images/smiles/redstar.gif

The RedStar2000 Papers (http://www.anarchist-action.org/marxists/redstar2000/)
A site about communist ideas

[Comrade Ceausescu]

Anyone here saying they are Saddam loylaists are saying they also support the Halabja massacre, the unjust invasions of Iran and Kuwait and the murder of thousands of Iraqis for having an opinion.

Calling Saddam Hussein a "criminal" is something of an understatement. What he did to the Kurdish people was an act of pure evil. His assault on the Ayatollah&#39;s Iran was a hunt for power and his attack on Juwait was a hunt for wealth.

Ok, he was defying America. Good for him. But what is his defiance of America worth when you consider the number of people he has brutally murdered.

It&#39;s not even worth arguing against Saddam-loyalists. There is no good in what that man has done in his time on this earth.

And you have Khomeni in your avatar you fucking idiot.

[Invader Zim]

Originally posted by [email protected] 17 2003, 01:02 AM
I know you&#39;re a real happy guy right now, Enema. If Bush is smirking and Blair is giggling, you must be rolling in the streets with mirth.

A wonderful victory for U.S. and British imperialism...no question about it. You can&#39;t be blamed for celebrating while you have the chance.

Of course, it wouldn&#39;t be an Enema post without your usual intellectual dishonesty.

Hitler hated Jews and America.

The Palestinians hate Israelis and America.

Therefore, the Palestinian resistance is "like" the Nazis.

Typical. :angry:


Jese, dont have a heart attack or anything. Chill out, take a break, go fishing or whatever.

I know you&#39;re a real happy guy right now, Enema. If Bush is smirking and Blair is giggling, you must be rolling in the streets with mirth.

I have absolutly no idea what you are talking about, or how it remotly relates to my post, but what ever redstar, you win, I refuse to get dragged into another flaming contest with you.

A wonderful victory for U.S. and British imperialism...no question about it. You can&#39;t be blamed for celebrating while you have the chance.

celebrating? Hardly, to be honist I&#39;m not all that bothered about his capture, it wont make the yanks leave any quicker, however it is nice to know he will stand trial before the people he oppressed for decades. Poetic justice.

Hitler hated Jews and America.

The Palestinians hate Israelis and America.

Therefore, the Palestinian resistance is "like" the Nazis.

Well I neither implyed or said that, how you quite managed to bring the Palestinian issue into this I can only guess, but Palestine never even crossed my mind when righting that post.

The part about Jews was to show Hitlers racism, in comparison to acg4_9 racism. But whatever redstar, believe what you want to.

[Socialsmo o Muerte]

Originally posted by [email protected] 17 2003, 01:29 AM

Anyone here saying they are Saddam loylaists are saying they also support the Halabja massacre, the unjust invasions of Iran and Kuwait and the murder of thousands of Iraqis for having an opinion.

Calling Saddam Hussein a "criminal" is something of an understatement. What he did to the Kurdish people was an act of pure evil. His assault on the Ayatollah&#39;s Iran was a hunt for power and his attack on Juwait was a hunt for wealth.

Ok, he was defying America. Good for him. But what is his defiance of America worth when you consider the number of people he has brutally murdered.

It&#39;s not even worth arguing against Saddam-loyalists. There is no good in what that man has done in his time on this earth.

And you have Khomeni in your avatar you fucking idiot.
What is your point?

Are you comparing Saddam Hussein&#39;s evil with the actions of Ayatollah Khomeini?

[Comrade Ceausescu]

What is your point?

Are you comparing Saddam Hussein&#39;s evil with the actions of Ayatollah Khomeini?

Khomeini was one of the greatest tyrants of the 20th century.he sent small children to blow themselves up because he said they would go to heaven.Its obvious that you are an insanely pro-iran person.Obviously you hate Saddam because of this.

[The Feral Underclass]

Cheguevera717

I find it highly hypocritical of you to be lecturing people about 20th centruy tyrants when you have Milosovic as your avator.

[Comrade Ceausescu]

Read "To Kill A Nation".

[Looter]

Anarchist you like a dog who can made to hate anyone his master commands him to. Try to free you mind and stop allowing it to be used as a culvert for official American lies.

[Invader Zim]

Originally posted by [email protected] 18 2003, 01:36 PM
Anarchist you like a dog who can made to hate anyone his master commands him to. Try to free you mind and stop allowing it to be used as a culvert for official American lies.
Master Looter, the force is strong with "The Anarchist Tension", we will turn him to the dark side yet.


cheguevara717 is an idiot.

http://www.protestwarrior.com/phpBB2/avatars/5145410243f7f29ec23e45.gif

[cubist]

just thought this was quite good,

Socialist Worker No 1882 - 20 December 2003

THE US AND BRITAIN&#39;S RECORD...

They hoisted Saddam to power

They backed his wars on Iran and Kurds

They slaughtered 200,000 in 1991 war

Sanctions killed one million Iraqis

Over 20,000 dead in this year&#39;s war

US corporations seize economy

No elections in &#39;free Iraq&#39;

AND THEY DARE TO TALK OF JUSTICE

END THE OCCUPATION - GIVE IRAQIS THEIR OIL BACK

[Socialsmo o Muerte]

Originally posted by [email protected] 18 2003, 05:30 AM

What is your point?

Are you comparing Saddam Hussein&#39;s evil with the actions of Ayatollah Khomeini?

Khomeini was one of the greatest tyrants of the 20th century.he sent small children to blow themselves up because he said they would go to heaven.Its obvious that you are an insanely pro-iran person.Obviously you hate Saddam because of this.
You have Milosevic....hmmm.

And I&#39;d love to see your evidence that Ayatollah Khomeini "sent small children to blow themselves up". This is Western myth that the Mullah&#39;s of the Iranian Republic were some evil force.
It is probably true that there were Iranian suicide bombers, but as we know, the suicide bomber has become something which is tricky to discuss.

I am not insanely pro-Iran, I just believe Khomeini was a great revolutionary and a great leader. He always said that he would not force his revolution in unless the people wanted it, and they did. He ousted American imperialism from Iran in a non-violent (I won&#39;t say peaceful) coup.

Khomeini is a true hero of the Middle East, defying American imperialism and serving his followers. I suggest you read up on the man, and not buy into the myth of the evil Ayatollah and his Mullahs.

[LuZhiming]

And I&#39;d love to see your evidence that Ayatollah Khomeini "sent small children to blow themselves up". This is Western myth that the Mullah&#39;s of the Iranian Republic were some evil force.
It is probably true that there were Iranian suicide bombers, but as we know, the suicide bomber has become something which is tricky to discuss.

I am not insanely pro-Iran, I just believe Khomeini was a great revolutionary and a great leader. He always said that he would not force his revolution in unless the people wanted it, and they did. He ousted American imperialism from Iran in a non-violent (I won&#39;t say peaceful) coup.

Khomeini is a true hero of the Middle East, defying American imperialism and serving his followers. I suggest you read up on the man, and not buy into the myth of the evil Ayatollah and his Mullahs.

On Saddam&#39;s supposed want for conquest in invading Iran, didn&#39;t Khomeini inspire Shiites in Iraq to rebel against Saddam Hussein? (Before there was ever a war.) I admit that I am no expert on Khomeini, so I don&#39;t want to debate on his atrocities, but I am not a fan of Islamic fundamentalism. Being an Islamic fundamentalist doesn&#39;t necessarily make one a tyrant, but much of your description above sounds more like one of Mossadeq, than Ayathollah Khomeini. And Saddam Hussein was fully willing to stand up to U.S. imperialism when it got in his way, as well.

[Comrade Ceausescu]

cheguevara717 is an idiot.

That was uncalled for.



You have Milosevic....hmmm.

And I&#39;d love to see your evidence that Ayatollah Khomeini "sent small children to blow themselves up". This is Western myth that the Mullah&#39;s of the Iranian Republic were some evil force.
It is probably true that there were Iranian suicide bombers, but as we know, the suicide bomber has become something which is tricky to discuss.

I am not insanely pro-Iran, I just believe Khomeini was a great revolutionary and a great leader. He always said that he would not force his revolution in unless the people wanted it, and they did. He ousted American imperialism from Iran in a non-violent (I won&#39;t say peaceful) coup.

Khomeini is a true hero of the Middle East, defying American imperialism and serving his followers. I suggest you read up on the man, and not buy into the myth of the evil Ayatollah and his Mullahs.

I have read all my stomach could take.He was a Bin-Laden type.Disgusting religious fundamentalist pig.


On Saddam&#39;s supposed want for conquest in invading Iran, didn&#39;t Khomeini inspire Shiites in Iraq to rebel against Saddam Hussein? (Before there was ever a war.) I admit that I am no expert on Khomeini, so I don&#39;t want to debate on his atrocities, but I am not a fan of Islamic fundamentalism. Being an Islamic fundamentalist doesn&#39;t necessarily make one a tyrant, but much of your description above sounds more like one of Mossadeq, than Ayathollah Khomeini. And Saddam Hussein was fully willing to stand up to U.S. imperialism when it got in his way, as well.

Exactly comrade,exactly.

[Socialsmo o Muerte]

Saddam was fully willing to stand up to U.S. imperialism when it got in his way, as well?

Yes, but there was that one little flaw.....He had to kill millions of his own innocent people as well.

"He was a Bin-Laden type.Disgusting religious fundamentalist pig."
Well, that in-depth, educated analysis of Ayatollah Khomeini really makes me believe you have "read all your stomach could take".

"didn&#39;t Khomeini inspire Shiites in Iraq to rebel against Saddam Hussein"

Saddam Hussein was not allowing religious factions in Iraq all their religiouis rights. He banned many of their practices. As an Islamist, Khomeini&#39;s duty to his people was to fight for their right.

[Socialsmo o Muerte]

And you still haven&#39;t explained your apparent strange liking for Slobodan Milosevic

[Comrade Ceausescu]

And you still haven&#39;t explained your apparent strange liking for Slobodan Milosevic

Were not talking about Milosevic,were talking about Saddam and Khomeini.

[LuZhiming]

Yes, but there was that one little flaw.....He had to kill millions of his own innocent people as well.

I&#39;m not denying that, but it sounds quite besides your point.


"He was a Bin-Laden type.Disgusting religious fundamentalist pig."

There is no need to put words in my mouth. They are quite different. Namely, bin Laden is a Sunni Muslim.


Well, that in-depth, educated analysis of Ayatollah Khomeini really makes me believe you have "read all your stomach could take"

Oh please, it is shameful that you should resort to such propaganda. You say that as if that is a summary of my posts and views of the man. This is really laughable to come from a person that believes he was a great leader that helped his people. Right, when he wasn&#39;t stoning people to death for not following the correct religion. Don&#39;t get me wrong, his nationalization policies were what Iran needed, and he was much more competent than the Shah, but he is hardly a righteous person.


Saddam Hussein was not allowing religious factions in Iraq all their religiouis rights. He banned many of their practices. As an Islamist, Khomeini&#39;s duty to his people was to fight for their right.

Yeah right, whether that is even true or not, I haven&#39;t seen much evidence for. Do you happen to know of any of those specific practices that Saddam banned? But even if it is, your claim that Saddam was attacking Iran just for territorial gain, is quite an unfair one.


P.S. Milosevic, Hussein, and Khomeini are all ruthless dictators. Those three < Mossadeq



EDIT: Ah sorry, I noticed certain parts that I thought you "put words in my mouth" were actually responses to the posts of another user.

[Invader Zim]

Originally posted by [email protected] 18 2003, 11:49 PM

cheguevara717 is an idiot.

That was uncalled for.
You have the avatar of a mass murderer, why should I give a rats ass what you think?

[Comrade Ceausescu]

You have the avatar of a mass murderer, why should I give a rats ass what you think?

read "to kill a nation".All you people here who gang up on me call me "young" and "immature"yet you are the ones reverting to using petty insults.