Breaking News Saddam Captured

[Exploited Class]

Yahoo News Link (http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&u=/ap/20031214/ap_on_re_mi_ea/iraq_saddam&cid=540&ncid=716)

Bush might be putting the first feather in his cap since stealing the election.

[truthaddict11]

yeah just heard this on the news, if he is caputured then what? i really dont see the US pulling out of Iraq any sooner.

[Exploited Class]

Well the news on TV just changed the headline from 'might be captured' to 'has been captured'.

No, the US is not pulling out. I am wondering if attacks on US troops will go up or down because of this. If they go up, I am guessing the excuse will be that they are "Outside Troops" from Iran or Syria.

Blair has also confirmed that Saddam has been captured.

The trial are going be to nuts.

[mEds]

are you serious he was captured? ANother useless godless motherfucker annhilated. Personally I think they should have wasted saddam on the spot. fuck trials. fuck prison. feel the brash cold pain of asmalll calibur bullet splicing and hsattering your skull penetrating you soft and oddd brain ending your existence.

[Ian]

Good riddance!

Hopefully this doesn't put Dubya back in office in 2004 though.

[EneME]

Yeah I just found out too....he's alive? Damnit Bush...this is good for his re-election...damn dan rather looks scary so early..

[Exploited Class]

Originally posted by Ian R[email protected] 14 2003, 04:20 AM
Good riddance!

Hopefully this doesn't put Dubya back in office in 2004 though.
Yah that is what I was thinking also, good bye tyrant asshole, hello to another 4 miserable years for the rest of the world not rich Americans.

I really don't feel like the price of having another 4 years of Bush for the "capture" of Saddam is worth it. The world has already paid up with the last 3 years.

And yeah Dan Rather is living dead looking. I haven't seen bags like that under a person's eyes since Martha's last studying marathon for her university's finals.

[Exploited Class]

They are showing a lot of pictures and videos of Saddam's hay days in Iraq, but they haven't shown this one of him with current Defense Secretary Donald Rumsfeld, for some reason, I can't figure it out.

http://www.msnbc.com/news/1639839.jpg

[Looter]

I dont think this will have any effect on the real war. Just a great sound and fury signifying nothing.

[CASTRO_SUCKS]

PRAISE ALLAH, GOD, BUDDAH, GANESH, AND WHOMEVER ELSE THE HELL YOU BELIEVE IN!

I'd like to extend my congratulations to the Iraqi people! Its a great day today!!!

[Ian]

"We got him"-L. Paul Bremer... guess it's official.

[Exploited Class]

Yah the news conference is not at all what I expected.

They showed the video of the little hole they found him in, complete with ventilation fan. Then showed video of him with his beard, getting a check up, then cleaned up and shaven. I thought it was like they captured him 10 minutes earlier than the headlines, not captured cleaned up and on video tape.

But what astonishes me the very, very most is that he was taken alive. I think everybody in the world has to be suprised that he didn't shoot himself in the head or take poison. Taken alive has to be like odds of 1 in a trillion.

[Ian]

Any news on an upcoming trial? Will death be a judicial option? Will he end up in Guantanamo?

[dopediana]

A Governing Council member, Jalal Talabani, told Iran's official news agency, IRNA, that Saddam's detention will bring stability to Iraq.

"With the arrest of Saddam, the source financing terrorists has been destroyed and terrorist attacks will come to an end. Now we can establish a durable stability and security in Iraq," Talabani was quoted as saying.

somehow, i seriously doubt the above.

they got saddam. what about osama? oh dear, chances of his reelection are looking quite excellent. i wonder how troops got tipped off about where saddam was hiding. and i want bush to go talk to him face to face. in fact, i'd like to see a conference between saddam and the entire administration. do you think he'll get a death sentence in the end or life in prison?

[Ian]

Maybe finally we can see what would have been a thousand times better than this imperialist war... Bush and Hussein toe to toe in the oval office...

[dopediana]

i'd like to put them in a boxing arena and see who lasts the longest.

10 to 3 it's saddam.

EDIT: ok, i just realized that sounds immensely sick and disgusting so i'll clarify. i really would like both of them to lose but i base my odds on the fact that saddam has really been roughing it and is now in a very desperate situation. and that does something for people. and bush is elated and more likely to be off his guard.

[@[email protected]@]

:ph34r:
what r we doing?
:wacko:
=D

[toastedmonkey]

As Red Star 2000 has said (elsewhere)

We really should be thinking of the next war

Im putting my money on the Yankees backing Isreal over Palistein, or a war againest Iran in the name of Terrorism.
(The yankees being the terrorist of course!)

The capture of Sadam is already old news, he has been 'out of the picture' for sometime now, the only significane of his capture is it will lend it self favourably to the Imperialist cause.

[PolarisUSMC]

Score one for the troops :D

[Lardlad95]

Originally posted by [email protected] 14 2003, 02:40 PM
Score one for the troops :D
COngrats on your victory in an unjust war.

Hopefully no more troops will be killed...and even more hopefully some third world coalition will capture bush

[(*]

It's good he was captured. He should face trial.

It is a symbolic victory for the US, and for Bush.


I doubt the resistance will lay down their arms or anything..

However, it seems unfair!!! Did they get him while he was sleeping?...I'd be pissed if that was me!!! The dude had bed-head and seemed half-asleep!

[Lardlad95]

Originally posted by (*@Dec 14 2003, 04:16 PM
It's good he was captured. He should face trial.

It is a symbolic victory for the US, and for Bush.


I doubt the resistance will lay down their arms or anything..

However, it seems unfair!!! Did they get him while he was sleeping?...I'd be pissed if that was me!!! The dude had bed-head and seemed half-asleep!
I kno..I'dda been like "Yeah thats great that you mofos found me...but um..can I take a shower first..bush my teeth? Get a bowl of fruit loops first?"

[@[email protected]@]

Perhaps, we should initiate a movement: Let the American soldiers go home crosses the Christmas day?

[Bolshevika]

Saddam is a hero of the Iraqi people, this is an extremely sad day and a victory for U.S. propaganda.

Again comrades, only a fool would believe that it is really Saddam Hussein. Why in the world would an extremely notorious man, hunted by millions of armed imperialist pigs, STILL be in Iraq? It makes no sense at all. I'm 100% sure it is not him.

All of you that are happy, and actually believe the imperialists, that is too bad. It's sad that people, who consider themselves intelligent Leftists, would believe such rubbish from George Bushes mouth.

[Jaha]

...and even more hopefully some third world coalition will capture bush

ahhh.... that would be a good day!

anyways, i just gotta say, saddams evil deeds were only made possible because he was dictator. the dictator has been gone for some time now. the threat of saddam taking over another country has always been non existent.

the only thing this will do will be to boost morale of the conservative right. now millions of right-wing pro-war maniacs will now have a place to put their blame.

this war would have a much calmer, safer stable ending if saddam were found already dead.

making him a prisoner will only make this whole stupid war more complicated.

and bush is going to now get a BJ from every hate-filled conservative in america.

ahama

[Faceless]

Again comrades, only a fool would believe that it is really Saddam Hussein. Why in the world would an extremely notorious man, hunted by millions of armed imperialist pigs, STILL be in Iraq? It makes no sense at all. I'm 100% sure it is not him. I'd like to see him escape Iraq. Dont think he could. His only base of support is near Tikrit. If this is bullshit then why did it not happen earlier? Convincing images anyway.

[Bolshevika]

I think Bush wouldn't want to risk being caught lying (you know, like how he lied about reconstructing Afghanistan, about how many soldiers are dying, Global warming, tax-cuts, and Iraq?) again. So he saved this charade for the most dire circumstances, which is now, when the Iraqi resistence seems unstoppable. He will get a poor Saddam lookalike patsy, take pictures of him, doctor them, and publish them in the imperialist run "Freedom newspaper".

Bush is lying about and thinks this will stop the glorious Iraqi resistence. He is definetly wrong.

It wouldn't be hard at all for Saddam to get out. He could just spill over to any of the neighboring countries that are not friendly to the U.S., they would take him in in the name of Arab unity and anti-imperialism. This is a farce.

[Exploited Class]

Does this mean that everybody and their sister, are going to put on American Flags on everything including their cars again. I got tired enough of being cut off in traffic by fair weather patriots that can't use their blinker, before, I don't know if I can take it again.

[ComradeRobertRiley]

Originally posted by Ian [email protected] 14 2003, 02:33 PM
Any news on an upcoming trial? Will death be a judicial option? Will he end up in Guantanamo?
Hay saddam may be a murdering arsehole who needs killing......but no-one deserves to end up in Guantanamo (except that even bigger murderer G W Bush)

[(*]

Originally posted by Exploited [email protected] 14 2003, 04:44 PM
Does this mean that everybody and their sister, are going to put on American Flags on everything including their cars again. I got tired enough of being cut off in traffic by fair weather patriots that can't use their blinker, before, I don't know if I can take it again.
That really really pisses me off! I got cut off 3 days ago by a dude with a "standing tall" bumper sticker....grrr

Did you guys wonder why saddam had 750,000? Kind of a an odd number, eh
He got his ass taxed!!!! Soldiers probably took a cool 250,000 for themselves, the case looked a little empty you know.

[dopediana]

tariq! those patriotic conservos suck at driving. they love to tailgate me once they've read my "it will be a great day when our schools have all the money they need and the pentagon needs its bud approved by the voters" bumpersticker. either that, or they drive in my blind spot. it kills me.

then there are those pickups with an american flag decal covering the entire rear window

[RedCeltic]

Personally I think they should have wasted saddam on the spot.

That would have been their wisest choice... and he still may yet be taken out, or in the very least be prevented from going to an international war crimes tribunal that will link Sadam's actions to the United States who supported him prior to 1991.

The capture of Sadam is sure to push Bush up in the poles for the moment.. however I'm hoping that by Novemeber focus will be drawn away from Iraq and to domestic issues where Bush is very weak.

[queen of diamonds]

Originally posted by [email protected] 25 2004, 05:34 PM

Personally I think they should have wasted saddam on the spot.

That would have been their wisest choice... and he still may yet be taken out, or in the very least be prevented from going to an international war crimes tribunal that will link Sadam's actions to the United States who supported him prior to 1991.

The capture of Sadam is sure to push Bush up in the poles for the moment.. however I'm hoping that by Novemeber focus will be drawn away from Iraq and to domestic issues where Bush is very weak.
That would probably have been the stupidest possible choice they could have made - to die as a matyr is one thing, to be humiliated in the way Saddam has been, to be subject to trial, and, in all likelihood, receive the death penalty, is a whole other. Which is why I'm wondering why he didn't just kill himself - he must know he'll probably be killed anyway.

Let's face it - the Democrats only ever had slim chance anyway; people are never too fond of change in uncertain times. And now that every random Republican is getting up and saying "if the Democrats had their way, Saddam would still be in power, terrorising his people, rather than in custody", they don't stand a chance.

[Iron Star]

Originally posted by Exploited [email protected] 14 2003, 11:39 AM
They are showing a lot of pictures and videos of Saddam's hay days in Iraq, but they haven't shown this one of him with current Defense Secretary Donald Rumsfeld, for some reason, I can't figure it out.

http://www.msnbc.com/news/1639839.jpg
I saw this on CNN. They also showed one of Raegan talking with Tariq Aziz.

The image you've posted came from msnbc, something you forgot to mention. I can't think why.

[hazard]

I think its just a body double

I mean everybody knows there are at least twenty or thirty saddam himself had in his employment before the war started

and then the US could have found one of their own

remember in seinfeld when Saddam Hussein stole costanza's parking spot?

you SHOULD remember that

'nuff said

[Exploited Class]

Originally posted by Iron [email protected] 14 2003, 11:17 PM
I saw this on CNN. They also showed one of Raegan talking with Tariq Aziz.

The image you've posted came from msnbc, something you forgot to mention. I can't think why.
I got it off of http://images.google.com and didn't look at the url when I posted it. That is why.

[CASTRO_SUCKS]

Originally posted by [email protected] 14 2003, 02:40 PM
Score one for the troops :D
You a fellow jarhead?

[CASTRO_SUCKS]

Originally posted by Exploited [email protected] 14 2003, 12:30 PM
But what astonishes me the very, very most is that he was taken alive. I think everybody in the world has to be suprised that he didn't shoot himself in the head or take poison. Taken alive has to be like odds of 1 in a trillion.
Much like EVERY dictator alive...he's a PAPER TIGER! Sure, he talks a lot of CRAP when he's wielding his rifles and swords, urging those around him (those very same poor people you so much defend) to "martyr" themselves for his cause and image. And now look at him! Found in a hole...DIRTY, desheveled WITH a pistol and STILL reluctant to use it on himself! Yeah...REAL good odds there!

[CASTRO_SUCKS]

Originally posted by [email protected] 14 2003, 01:52 PM
...i base my odds on the fact that saddam has really been roughing it and is now in a very desperate situation. and that does something for people. and bush is elated and more likely to be off his guard.
My god you ARE blind! Lets see...someone who hasn't eaten well in weeks....confused...dishevelled.....feeble.... against a younger, healthier, better fed, and obviously stronger oponent? You sure know how to pick the losing team, huh?

[CASTRO_SUCKS]

Originally posted by [email protected] 14 2003, 07:19 PM
Saddam is a hero of the Iraqi people, this is an extremely sad day and a victory for U.S. propaganda.

Again comrades, only a fool would believe that it is really Saddam Hussein. Why in the world would an extremely notorious man, hunted by millions of armed imperialist pigs, STILL be in Iraq? It makes no sense at all. I'm 100% sure it is not him.


OH MY GOD!!! And the "hits" just keep coming in!!! Wow....listen...you keep believing in your own little mind that: A)He was a hero of the Iraqi people and B)That the man that was captured WASN'T him!

You actually "THINK" that hussein is a rational being? Get real! He gassed his own people!! How rational is THAT?! His ego got in his way, and it cut his own throat! F*CK HIM!

See folks...this is why I will NEVER be worried that socialism/communism/anarchism will EVER take root and succeed in this country (or anywhere else anymore for that matter)! The blindness and naivety expressed by your fellow "comrades" is so TOTALLY hurtful to your cause that NOBODY will take you seriously.

At least the more intelligent minds on this board even acknowledge that it IS him! but hey....keep believing what YOU want....thats ok. I could have sworn I heard the tooth fairy REALLY exists! :blink:

[CASTRO_SUCKS]

Oh and PS- Abel Ramtizi...The LEADER of HAMMAS just expressed his disgust and disappointment that hussein didn't follow through with what he has pledged all along, and DIDN'T kill himself before he was captured!

But I forgot.....you still don't believe thats hussein! Maybe YOU should lead Hammas since you know much more than ramtizi?

[El Brujo]

How can any socialist be happy about Saddam's capture. Even if you don't approve of him, the neo-con's will use this to boost their popularity and continue to expand their empire.

[CASTRO_SUCKS]

Originally posted by El [email protected] 16 2003, 07:47 AM
How can any socialist be happy about Saddam's capture. Even if you don't approve of him, the neo-con's will use this to boost their popularity and continue to expand their empire.
Riiiiiiiiight...so it ALL about championing YOUR cause, eh?! Screw the suffering of the Iraqi people under HIS dictatorship!!! :blink:

[Sabocat]

CS,

This article is a good representation on how a lot of us here feel about this subject.


The official American response to the capture of former Iraqi president Saddam Hussein must provoke feelings of deep disgust. It requires a political and media establishment from whom all traces of democratic or humane instinct have been eradicated to react with a display of such ignorance, vindictiveness and sadism.

The rest of the article... http://www.wsws.org/articles/2003/dec2003/.../huss-d16.shtml (http://www.wsws.org/articles/2003/dec2003/huss-d16.shtml)

[CASTRO_SUCKS]

Originally posted by [email protected] 16 2003, 02:30 PM
CS,

This article is a good representation on how a lot of us here feel about this subject.


Disgustapated: I thank you for posting the article. I ususally diligently and fairly read all articles and links that are posted. However, I could'nt get past more than a few lines. It is clear the source of the article is extremely biased. I only hope and pray that not many of you see things that way. I've read many positive posts about saddam being captured. Many people here DO believe he was a ruthless and cruel dictator. One simply CANNOT overlook the atrocities committed by that "man", no matter HOW much you hate THIS government! He is being treated humanely, looked after by the Red Cross, and is receiving medical attention. Even when your enemy Bush came and addressed the nation of his capture, he did it in a solemn, NON-gloating way (like it or not). I simply CANNOT and REFUSE to believe that ANYONE in their right minds can actually compare bush to hussein. The world CANNOT be THAT misguided.

[Sabocat]

It's too bad you couldn't get through it. I think you would have found many times in that article, that no one is condoning attrocities committed by Saddam but rather putting it in perspective.

As far as that being a biased article, you're right, however I think you would agree that most if not all new opinions/articles are biased in one direction or the other.

I would consider this a nice balance to the right biased Fox or CNN articles.

Regardless, I posted it so as to give some insight to as how many of us feel about all of this. I thought it was pretty representative.

Keep in mind that Bush may have been solemn in his announcement, but he has made it very clear how he hopes things will go. By supporting an Iraqi trial rather than an International trial will guarantee of course a quick, quiet death sentence. There will be nothing even remotely fair about that trial. Of course Bush has proven that he has a penchant for state sponsored execution. Just look at his capital punishment record in Texas! ;)

[CASTRO_SUCKS]

Ok...fair enough! I sense you're against capital punishment and I respect that. I've always wanted to ask someone against capital punishment the following question:

Think of the most precious person you have in your life. Think about hos beautiful they are, how they make you feel, their thoughts their dreams, their hope. Now picture that same person being repeatedly raped for a few days in the most vicious way.....tortured for a little while...then finding her hanging upside down, nude, with her throat cut.

A few days later, they find the scumbag that did it.

What would you wish on that person?

Please I want you to dig deep into your emotions and REALLY picture that loved one experiencing that.

PS-This IS a ligitimate question I've been wanting to ask someone against capital punishment.

[Sabocat]

If I found the guy in the act, no question, I'd probably kill him. ( I have a bad temper). Would I wish that person to be dead? Absolutely. Who wouldn't in those circumstances?

Should I rely on the police in getting the right guy all the time. No way.

I don't believe in state sponsored killing. It's just too easy a system to subvert. There are endless cases of people of diminished mental capacity, people not guilty of the crime being put to death. Just think about the people in recent years set free from death row, that were found innocent with DNA evidence. I'm not willing to get rid of the notion that "it's better to set a guilty man free, than imprison an innocent man"

Maybe if the criminal justice system was devoid of stereotyping, racial prejudice, and class warfare, I could accept a death penalty. I think we all know that chances of that under the current system.

[CASTRO_SUCKS]

Originally posted by Disgustapated+Dec 16 2003, 03:36 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Disgustapated @ Dec 16 2003, 03:36 PM) If I found the guy in the act, no question, I&#39;d probably kill him. ( I have a bad temper). Would I wish that person to be dead? Absolutely. Who wouldn&#39;t in those circumstances?[/b]
Ok good. We agree on that then&#33; But would you not also agree that many of the people hussein tortured, etc would want that same kind of revenge on the same man that brought them so much hardship and pain?


Originally posted by [email protected] 16 2003, 03:36 PM
Should I rely on the police in getting the right guy all the time. No way.
Another agreement...We&#39;re both old enough to realize that many cops are bigots, society feels the need to find someone to blame for crimes, and that prosecutors are pressured into condemning those brought before them.


Originally posted by [email protected] 16 2003, 03:36 PM
..I&#39;m not willing to get rid of the notion that "it&#39;s better to set a guilty man free, than imprison an innocent man"
AHA&#33;&#33; Nor am I.....but this is a question tied into the hussein trial. There is NO DOUBT here that this man was a savage dictator that brutilized his own people for decades.
No amount of DNA testing can EVER disprove that one&#33; So WHY would it be wrong to execute this man for HIS obvious crimes against humanity BY the people he brutilized?


[email protected] 16 2003, 03:36 PM
Maybe if the criminal justice system was devoid of stereotyping, racial prejudice, and class warfare, I could accept a death penalty. I think we all know that chances of that under the current system.
Or in ANY system I believe...NOT just this one.

Thanks for your honest (and human) response&#33;

[redstar2000]

Originally posted by [email protected] 16 2003, 09:30 AM
CS,

This article is a good representation on how a lot of us here feel about this subject.


The official American response to the capture of former Iraqi president Saddam Hussein must provoke feelings of deep disgust. It requires a political and media establishment from whom all traces of democratic or humane instinct have been eradicated to react with a display of such ignorance, vindictiveness and sadism.

The rest of the article... http://www.wsws.org/articles/2003/dec2003/.../huss-d16.shtml (http://www.wsws.org/articles/2003/dec2003/huss-d16.shtml)
An excellent article&#33;

http://anarchist-action.org/forums/images/smiles/redstar.gif

The RedStar2000 Papers (http://www.anarchist-action.org/marxists/redstar2000/)
A site about communist ideas

[Bolshevika]

Castro_Sucks: Why do your posts always show deep anger? Are you not capable of debating in a non-aggressive, exchanging of ideas? It shows how indoctrinated you are when you get mad over something menial like this


OH MY GOD&#33;&#33;&#33; And the "hits" just keep coming in&#33;&#33;&#33; Wow....listen...you keep believing in your own little mind that: A)He was a hero of the Iraqi people and B)That the man that was captured WASN&#39;T him&#33;

Yes, I do believe this. You can disagree if you wish and listen to George W. Bush instead. I don&#39;t care, your opinion means little to me because you have them mindset of the average American, or worse, a Miamite worm.


You actually "THINK" that hussein is a rational being? Get real&#33; He gassed his own people&#33;&#33; How rational is THAT?&#33; His ego got in his way, and it cut his own throat&#33; F*CK HIM&#33;

I don&#39;t know if this has been shot down by anyone yet ( I haven&#39;t read page 3), so I will.

The Kurds are not Saddam&#39;s people, they are a seperatist group who wanted to break away from Iraq. Much like all the "Aztlan" Mexican groups. I bet that if tomorrow a group of Mexican seperatists started a revolt in Texas or California the U.S. would take action.

Hmm... ever here of Waco Texas? You can consider that "killing your own people". The situation was similar to when Saddam gassed the Kurds.

Although, I totally disagree with Saddam sinking to the same level as the criminal American government. I told you, I do not support Saddam, I just see him as a much better alternative to theocracy or capitalist dictatorship.

[CASTRO_SUCKS]

Originally posted by Bolshevika+Dec 16 2003, 09:07 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Bolshevika @ Dec 16 2003, 09:07 PM) Castro_Sucks: Why do your posts always show deep anger? Are you not capable of debating in a non-aggressive, exchanging of ideas? It shows how indoctrinated you are when you get mad over something menial like this [/b]
Bahahahahaha..you&#39;re too cute hon&#33;


Originally posted by [email protected] 16 2003, 09:07 PM
....I don&#39;t care, your opinion means little to me because you have them mindset of the average American, or worse, a Miamite worm.
Heh heh heh ...actually, it looks to me like you care plenty&#33; And exactly WHAT is a "Miamite worm" anyway? Is that some sort of cute little bug you just invented?



Originally posted by [email protected] 16 2003, 09:07 PM
The Kurds are not Saddam&#39;s people, they are a seperatist group who wanted to break away from Iraq. Much like all the "Aztlan" Mexican groups. I bet that if tomorrow a group of Mexican seperatists started a revolt in Texas or California the U.S. would take action.
Oh, they weren&#39;t? Well, I guess that makes it ALRIGHT in your little book, now doesn&#39;t it?


Originally posted by [email protected] 16 2003, 09:07 PM
Hmm... ever here of Waco Texas? You can consider that "killing your own people". The situation was similar to when Saddam gassed the Kurds.
Wow....I guess you&#39;re right&#33; Holding massive amounts of weapons and promising to destroy the US in the name of religion SHOULD be legal&#33; Hey wait...isn&#39;t that what caused the WTC attacks in the FIRST place? :blink:



[email protected] 16 2003, 09:07 PM
Although, I totally disagree with Saddam sinking to the same level as the criminal American government. I told you, I do not support Saddam, I just see him as a much better alternative to theocracy or capitalist dictatorship.
Bahahahahahahahaha......like I said before....you&#39;re too cute&#33; ;)

[El Brujo]

Originally posted by CASTRO_SUCKS+Dec 16 2003, 10:27 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (CASTRO_SUCKS @ Dec 16 2003, 10:27 PM)
El [email protected] 16 2003, 07:47 AM
How can any socialist be happy about Saddam&#39;s capture. Even if you don&#39;t approve of him, the neo-con&#39;s will use this to boost their popularity and continue to expand their empire.
Riiiiiiiiight...so it ALL about championing YOUR cause, eh?&#33; Screw the suffering of the Iraqi people under HIS dictatorship&#33;&#33;&#33; :blink: [/b]
A. Yes it is.

B. What were the chances that Saddam Hussein was going to return to power anyhow? Most of the Iraqi resistance comes from other nationalist and socialist organizations and the islamic fundamentalists. Unfortunately, most ignorant American pigs will see this as a "great victory against terrorism" and flock behind the neo-con&#39;s, fueling them to continue their neo-colonialist policies. That is why this event pisses me off (aside from the fact that Saddam wasn&#39;t the "evil totalitarian dictator" he is portrayed as by CNN and Fox).

[CASTRO_SUCKS]

Originally posted by El [email protected] 16 2003, 10:48 PM
That is why this event pisses me off (aside from the fact that Saddam wasn&#39;t the "evil totalitarian dictator" he is portrayed as by CNN and Fox).
You DO have a seeing-eye dog wherever you travel, do you not? What&#39;s his name?

[Bolshevika]

Bahahahahaha..you&#39;re too cute hon&#33;

I do not see how your misconception that I am &#39;cute&#39; and your &#39;hon&#39; has anything to do with the debate.



Heh heh heh ...actually, it looks to me like you care plenty&#33; And exactly WHAT is a "Miamite worm" anyway? Is that some sort of cute little bug you just invented?

Miamite worms, counter revolutionaries, like you.

The Miamite worms are lower than bugs. They are counter revolutionaries who sold out there country, not because they were being exploited or tortured, but for monetary gain.


Oh, they weren&#39;t? Well, I guess that makes it ALRIGHT in your little book, now doesn&#39;t it?

I wasn&#39;t excusing him, I was simply saying that your "President" Bush would&#39;ve done the same exact thing.


Wow....I guess you&#39;re right&#33; Holding massive amounts of weapons and promising to destroy the US in the name of religion SHOULD be legal&#33; Hey wait...isn&#39;t that what caused the WTC attacks in the FIRST place?

Now, do you really want to have another lame debate on this?

All the weapons Saddam has were given to him by America, and none of them can even get close to the United States. Bin Laden and Saddam are sworn enemies, due to Saddam&#39;s secularism.

Bush caused the WTC. I don&#39;t know what exactly happened, neither do you or anyone else, but it was not Bin Laden acting alone.

[Invader Zim]

Saddam&#39;s been caught... good&#33;

I hope he suffers degrading trial, and lives the rest of his days on bread and water, while remember the Palaces and riches he once possesed.

He diserves every indignity he recieves. What shocks me is that people are actually sad about it... the guy commited genocide&#33;

[El Brujo]

Originally posted by CASTRO_SUCKS+Dec 17 2003, 07:12 AM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (CASTRO_SUCKS @ Dec 17 2003, 07:12 AM)
El [email protected] 16 2003, 10:48 PM
That is why this event pisses me off (aside from the fact that Saddam wasn&#39;t the "evil totalitarian dictator" he is portrayed as by CNN and Fox).
You DO have a seeing-eye dog wherever you travel, do you not? What&#39;s his name? [/b]
*yawn* If you have nothing intelligent to say, piss off you annoying little twat. And quit *****ing about people being disrespectful when 90% of your posts are/border on flames.

[Xvall]

Hopefully this doesn&#39;t put Dubya back in office in 2004 though.

I can see it now. The campaign video:

George Bush. The greatest American President of our time.

(Cut to dramatic 9/11 images)

He alone fought against terrorism. He alone single-handedly defeated the cruel dictator of Iraq.

I could go on. If he doesn&#39;t win, he&#39;ll just rig it like he did last time anyways. I see nothing wrong with a trial, by the way. Why shoot him on the spot? A trial is the professional thing to do; and isn&#39;t everyone guarenteed a trial? What are you afraid of? That he might be innocent or something? We gave the Nazis (You know, those guys that killed off millions of innocent people) trials; I don&#39;t see why he is any less worthy. And I think the reason many socialists, such as me, might find his capture palitable is because he was systematically oppressing communists. I don&#39;t want the neo-cons to get any popularity, but I&#39;m not going to support the destruction of the Iraqi Communist Party just out of spite of them either. I&#39;m under the impression that the neo-cons will continue their territorial expansion regardless of how much support they had. (They initiated the war even though 90% of the world opposed it; I don&#39;t think that they would stop their raping of the middle east simply because they didn&#39;t catch Saddam.) If anything, it may be helpful to them that Saddam remained uncaught. That way they could stay in Iraq forever, claiming they&#39;re still looking for me. (See Afghanistan.)

[CASTRO_SUCKS]

Originally posted by Bolshevika+Dec 16 2003, 11:25 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Bolshevika @ Dec 16 2003, 11:25 PM) ....not because they were being exploited or tortured, but for monetary gain.[/b]
Oh is THAT why my parents left? I&#39;ll call them up and tell them why they REALLY left then....I&#39;m sure they&#39;ll appreciate the correction&#33;


Originally posted by [email protected] 16 2003, 11:25 PM
......I was simply saying that your "President" Bush would&#39;ve done the same exact thing.
UNPROVEN SPECULATION vs PROVEN FACT


[email protected] 16 2003, 11:25 PM
All the weapons Saddam has were given to him by America, and none of them can even get close to the United States. Bin Laden and Saddam are sworn enemies, due to Saddam&#39;s secularism.
Really? And you can prove this?

[CASTRO_SUCKS]

Originally posted by El [email protected] 16 2003, 11:37 PM
*yawn* If you have nothing intelligent to say, piss off you annoying little twat. And quit *****ing about people being disrespectful when 90% of your posts are/border on flames.
Heh heh...cute.

[El Brujo]

Not as cute as this.

[CASTRO_SUCKS]

Say...that IS cute&#33; Baby picture of yours? Or simply just another shot of you when you lose an argument?

[El Brujo]

Nah, just the impression you give me when you *****. :P

[Bolshevika]

Oh is THAT why my parents left? I&#39;ll call them up and tell them why they REALLY left then....I&#39;m sure they&#39;ll appreciate the correction&#33;

Please do so.



UNPROVEN SPECULATION vs PROVEN FACT

Actually, I come to this conclusion by seeing Bush&#39;s actions. He goes on mass killing sprees when he is not provoked, can you imagine what he would do if he is even slightly provoked?


Really? And you can prove this?


http://www.guerrillanews.com/media/doc370.html
http://www.cbc.ca/stories/2002/11/01/bushiraq021101

[CASTRO_SUCKS]

Originally posted by [email protected] 17 2003, 01:25 AM
Please do so.



Well, I told them what you thought was the reason for them leaving cuba and they laughed. Not a HA HA laugh, just a reserved "I-can&#39;t-believe-anyone-would-think-that" smile. They went on to tell me they chose to leave after my father&#39;s brother was killed for his constantly trying to better a system that could be so much more productive to the revolution. My father thought that if his brother, that was an active part of the revolution, could be hauled off and executed on a whim with no trial, then he nor his family could ever be safe. He went on to tell me how he worked in a factory all his life in cuba, and had all his meager possessions taken away. Ration card issued and one chicken to eat given to his family per 3 months. One pair of shoes per year. He was tired of hearing his kids cry when they were hungry, and they even resorted to smuggling fruits and vegetables in carts to sell to others for a little cash to feed his kids (me and my sister). But, he also stated that if thats what you want to believe was the reason they left cuba was, then he respects your right to say so. He says nobody will ever change the truth.

[Bolshevika]

Wait a second didn&#39;t you tell me you lived in Cuba until your adult years? So don&#39;t you have your own little sob stories to tell?

Yes, people outside of Havanna are hungry, but not starving or malnourished. People in Cuba, and in the rest of Latin America have poor economies. The only difference between the hunger in Cuba and everywhere else in Latin America is that in Cuba people go hungry equally, whilst in Peru, Bolivia, and the rest a some people eat extremely well while others starve. Not go hungry, but starve, and drink contaminated water, and go without seeing a doctor.

Recently there were articles about a Cuban doctors visit to Venezuela in a Bolivariano program to unite the America&#39;s. In some of the rural areas in Venezuela people go through much, much worse than people in rural Cuba.

One pair of shoes per year is fine (I go by this system), people in other Latin American countries go without shoes. Ever see documentaries on people in the countries with high indigenous populations where people pick up broken glasses and bottles and drink water from polluted pits and are dirty, while others dine in the finest restaurants? Yes, that is your precious capitalism.

Cuba has a very high living standard compared to other Latin American nations. And personally I think you are bullshitting or exaggerrating your experiences in Cuba.

[dopediana]

Originally posted by [email protected] 17 2003, 02:20 AM
Yes, people outside of Havanna are hungry, but not starving or malnourished. People in Cuba, and in the rest of Latin America have poor economies. The only difference between the hunger in Cuba and everywhere else in Latin America is that in Cuba people go hungry equally, whilst in Peru, Bolivia, and the rest a some people eat extremely well while others starve. Not go hungry, but starve, and drink contaminated water, and go without seeing a doctor.

Recently there were articles about a Cuban doctors visit to Venezuela in a Bolivariano program to unite the America&#39;s. In some of the rural areas in Venezuela people go through much, much worse than people in rural Cuba.

One pair of shoes per year is fine (I go by this system), people in other Latin American countries go without shoes. Ever see documentaries on people in the countries with high indigenous populations where people pick up broken glasses and bottles and drink water from polluted pits and are dirty, while others dine in the finest restaurants? Yes, that is your precious capitalism.

Cuba has a very high living standard compared to other Latin American nations. And personally I think you are bullshitting or exaggerrating your experiences in Cuba.
oh my god. for once i can say that bolshevika actually told it like it is.

cuba has a higher literacy rate than america. cuba also sends doctors out all over latin america to clean up health messes that overseas countries have caused with industry, such as the case of cesium 73 in venezuela in 1986. and lack of nutrition is also caused in part by the embargo. cuba is a little country doing an amazing job of resisting international pressure.

[redstar2000]

He was tired of hearing his kids cry when they were hungry, and they even resorted to smuggling fruits and vegetables in carts to sell to others for a little cash to feed his kids (me and my sister).

Anyone else notice this self-contradiction?

1. You have hungry kids.

2. You have "carts" full of fruits and vegetables.

3. Instead of feeding the fruits and vegetables to your hungry kids, you sell the fruits and vegetables to others.

No doubt the cash was used to buy smuggled cartons of "Batista Chips" and "CIA Cola". :lol:

http://anarchist-action.org/forums/images/smiles/redstar.gif

The RedStar2000 Papers (http://www.anarchist-action.org/marxists/redstar2000/)
A site about communist ideas

[El Brujo]

Originally posted by [email protected] 17 2003, 10:20 AM
One pair of shoes per year is fine (I go by this system), people in other Latin American countries go without shoes. Ever see documentaries on people in the countries with high indigenous populations where people pick up broken glasses and bottles and drink water from polluted pits and are dirty, while others dine in the finest restaurants? Yes, that is your precious capitalism.
Indeed. In some parts of Argentina (particularly Crodoba) children are not allowed to go to school two or three days a week because they have to share their shoes with their brothers and sisters and can&#39;t go to school with no footwear. Mind you, this is in one of the richest (if not THE richest) countries in Latin America, I can only begin to imagine what it is like in countries like Peru, Haiti, Bolivia, the Dominican Republic, etc.

[Bolshevika]

Yes, a while ago I heard about boat full of Haitian refugees who were all sick, starving, and Aids ridden, trying to reach Miami by boat and suceeded. However, the U.S. government kicked them all out back to out. However, when a bunch of well vaccinated, well fed, very well educated Cuban&#39;s land on Miami beach, the U.S. government gives them a suck off and provides them with employment, citizenship, and all the works.

Yeah, and El Brujo, not just Cordoba. Have you seen the Salvadorian province? Seriously, when I was in Argentina, tears filled my eyes, children dirty and sick, totally abondoned by the neo-liberal capitalist government, living in houses with tin roofs.

Castro Sucks: If tomorrow Cuba became another Haiti or Dominican Republic or Peruvian style "democracy" with "freedom" and all the works, would you leave everything you have and go to Cuba and build "democracy"?

[CASTRO_SUCKS]

Originally posted by Bolshevika+Dec 17 2003, 02:20 AM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Bolshevika @ Dec 17 2003, 02:20 AM) Wait a second didn&#39;t you tell me you lived in Cuba until your adult years? [/b]
Oh my fucking GOD here we go again&#33; Ok DUDE...WHERE the hell did I say I left as an ADULT????&#33;&#33;&#33;&#33;&#33; Man you guys REALLY like to make shit up don&#39;t you?&#33; AGAIN, FIND where I said I LEFT as an ADULT?&#33;


[email protected] 18 2003, 02:32 AM
Castro Sucks: If tomorrow Cuba became another Haiti or Dominican Republic or Peruvian style "democracy" with "freedom" and all the works, would you leave everything you have and go to Cuba and build "democracy"?
Well bolshvika, UNLIKE half the people here that spend thier time complaining like old people about the system, and doing nothing more than living in a country they SUPPOSEDLY hate, buying up things and insisting they&#39;re "against" capitalism, and "fighting the good fight" by "talking big" about their so-called beliefs in socialism and anarchism to a computer monitor, I would return to cuba IN A HEART BEAT&#33; I&#39;d like to be the one to establish a modern Fire Department and train their firefighters/paramedics&#33; How "democratic" is that? I don&#39;t know, but its a helluva lot better than what you guys are doing right now&#33;

[CASTRO_SUCKS]

Originally posted by [email protected] 17 2003, 12:47 PM
No doubt the cash was used to buy smuggled cartons of "Batista Chips" and "CIA Cola". :lol:

Bahahahahahahaha....spoken like someone who HASN&#39;T lived a day of poverty in his life&#33; Kudos to you&#33; Aaaaaahh redstar you truly are a source of comedy in my day&#33; Keep it up ole boy&#33;

[Lardlad95]

Originally posted by CASTRO_SUCKS+Dec 19 2003, 03:51 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (CASTRO_SUCKS @ Dec 19 2003, 03:51 PM)
Originally posted by [email protected] 17 2003, 02:20 AM
Wait a second didn&#39;t you tell me you lived in Cuba until your adult years?
Oh my fucking GOD here we go again&#33; Ok DUDE...WHERE the hell did I say I left as an ADULT????&#33;&#33;&#33;&#33;&#33; Man you guys REALLY like to make shit up don&#39;t you?&#33; AGAIN, FIND where I said I LEFT as an ADULT?&#33;


[email protected] 18 2003, 02:32 AM
Castro Sucks: If tomorrow Cuba became another Haiti or Dominican Republic or Peruvian style "democracy" with "freedom" and all the works, would you leave everything you have and go to Cuba and build "democracy"?
Well bolshvika, UNLIKE half the people here that spend thier time complaining like old people about the system, and doing nothing more than living in a country they SUPPOSEDLY hate, buying up things and insisting they&#39;re "against" capitalism, and "fighting the good fight" by "talking big" about their so-called beliefs in socialism and anarchism to a computer monitor, I would return to cuba IN A HEART BEAT&#33; I&#39;d like to be the one to establish a modern Fire Department and train their firefighters/paramedics&#33; How "democratic" is that? I don&#39;t know, but its a helluva lot better than what you guys are doing right now&#33; [/b]
Well when the US invades Cuba you go there and see just how much establishing and helping they let you do.

[Lardlad95]

Originally posted by CASTRO_SUCKS+Dec 19 2003, 04:00 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (CASTRO_SUCKS @ Dec 19 2003, 04:00 PM)
[email protected] 17 2003, 12:47 PM
No doubt the cash was used to buy smuggled cartons of "Batista Chips" and "CIA Cola". :lol:

Bahahahahahahaha....spoken like someone who HASN&#39;T lived a day of poverty in his life&#33; Kudos to you&#33; Aaaaaahh redstar you truly are a source of comedy in my day&#33; Keep it up ole boy&#33; [/b]

I lived in poverty for a long time, and you do realize that part of that had an influene on me being a socialist don&#39;t you? Just like you living in poverty in Cuba has influence on you hating castro.

Now I"m not going to compare our two lives of poverty because I&#39;m not sure to what degree you were poor, bu the point is poverty was a driving force for what we believe.

Everyone who&#39;s poor questions the current system in one way or another. It&#39;s just Two sides of the same coin

[CASTRO_SUCKS]

Originally posted by [email protected] 20 2003, 12:14 AM
Well when the US invades Cuba you go there and see just how much establishing and helping they let you do.
Hey...and MAYBE the tooth fairy will come and help me while Santa Claus assembles the new fire trucks, eh?

[Lardlad95]

Originally posted by CASTRO_SUCKS+Dec 20 2003, 12:19 AM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (CASTRO_SUCKS @ Dec 20 2003, 12:19 AM)
[email protected] 20 2003, 12:14 AM
Well when the US invades Cuba you go there and see just how much establishing and helping they let you do.
Hey...and MAYBE the tooth fairy will come and help me while Santa Claus assembles the new fire trucks, eh? [/b]
Pffft...you know the tooth fairy and Santa Claus don&#39;t get along anymore after teh infamous Blitzen incident.

[El Brujo]

Originally posted by [email protected] 18 2003, 10:32 AM
Yes, a while ago I heard about boat full of Haitian refugees who were all sick, starving, and Aids ridden, trying to reach Miami by boat and suceeded. However, the U.S. government kicked them all out back to out. However, when a bunch of well vaccinated, well fed, very well educated Cuban&#39;s land on Miami beach, the U.S. government gives them a suck off and provides them with employment, citizenship, and all the works.
Exactly. I commented on that in the politics forum here when it happened, as a matter of fact (Ill see if I can find it). Did you know that during the Reagan era, they accepted Cuban and Nicaraguan refugees but refused Haitians seeking political asylum from Duvalier and Panamenians seeking political asylum from Noriega? The Reagan administration used a petty excuse about their immigration issue being solely due to poverty but the fact is, they were also rejected for their oppositions to the CIA-backed dictatorships in their countries. Don&#39;t you just love "freedom"? :rolleyes:

[El Brujo]

Here it is:
http://www.che-lives.com/forum/index.php?a...405&hl=haitians (http://www.che-lives.com/forum/index.php?act=ST&f=4&t=3405&hl=haitians)

[Ortega]

Originally posted by CASTRO_SUCKS+Dec 19 2003, 11:00 AM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (CASTRO_SUCKS @ Dec 19 2003, 11:00 AM)
[email protected] 17 2003, 12:47 PM
No doubt the cash was used to buy smuggled cartons of "Batista Chips" and "CIA Cola". :lol:

Bahahahahahahaha....spoken like someone who HASN&#39;T lived a day of poverty in his life&#33; Kudos to you&#33; Aaaaaahh redstar you truly are a source of comedy in my day&#33; Keep it up ole boy&#33; [/b]
From what you&#39;ve said, you haven&#39;t lived a day of poverty in your life either, except possibly for your first year or so in Cuba...

[CASTRO_SUCKS]

Originally posted by [email protected] 20 2003, 02:36 PM
From what you&#39;ve said, you haven&#39;t lived a day of poverty in your life either, except possibly for your first year or so in Cuba...
You talking shit AGAIN?&#33; Should I search for the posts where you stated that I knew more about living in cuba than many/most/all members here? Would you REALLY Like me to rehash the hypocracy/smear campaign against you , that would most certainly force you to change your user name YET AGAIN?&#33; Then, please...pretty please with sugar on top.....get off my fucking BACK&#33;

[Ortega]

Oh, I&#39;m not doubting that you know a lot about Cuba - just doubting that you&#39;ve actually lived under poverty.