Dealing with troublemakers in a communist society

[Skyhilist]

So I've heard a lot of different tendencies and reactions towards this topic. The question is what would be done to stop massive groups of assailants such as large groups of greedy former-bourgeoisie and ambitious capitalists? If such an uprising were to occur, or if large groups of crime even were breaking out in a certain area in general, what would be the solution. I've heard things ranging from re-education camps to granting them their own separate country so they couldn't interfere to mass deportation. All of the options always seem to bring up problems. Deportation goes against the open borders idea which many of us (including myself) embrace. On the other hand giving independence to one group could split up an entire nation or even world into smaller groups seeing this and wanting independence, and goes against the anti-nationalist them which many (including myself) also embrace. Finally, even many argue that re-education camps would would because greed would be the problem facing people like this, not necessarily lack of education. So having said all that, what do you guys think about this issue? How should greed fueled capital rebellion or even rebellion in general be dealt with in communist society?

[Q]

I don't see the problem particularly. In a communist society we have universal education in weaponry, broad dispersal of such weapons and organised militias that prevent such crime.

Also, what would the social base be of this hypothetical crime? We're no longer facing bourgeois bans on you-name-it, also stuff like poverty is history. It could be that stuff like drugs would still be frowned upon or maybe even banned, but I expect an overall far lower crime rate.

[Zukunftsmusik]

Let the future citizen of this society decide. How could we know?

A capitalist rebellion would obviously not be a problem post-revolution. Capitalists wouldn't exist as a class. What would their slogan be? "De-evolve the mode of production so we can exploit workers"?

As for capitalists being a problem under the revolution, the same goes, actually. Unless the proletarian power isn't too well implemented, and they actually pose a real threat. Then they would be dealt with in a manner which suits the situation, I suppose.

I don't think this is a big issue. I'd be more concerned on how to organise and strive for revolution today, here and now, not what future generations would or could strive with. Capitalism is the problem. Let people living in the far future deal with the far future.

[Skyhilist]

I don't see the problem particularly. In a communist society we have universal education in weaponry, broad dispersal of such weapons and organised militias that prevent such crime.

I can agree with that, assuming that the militias are formed in such a way as to create a police state or anything that would be a possible threat to freedom... and I agree that all those things should be great for everybody. But what about the people who say "I'm on the same level as everyone else in society, but in capitalism I can be higher than almost everyone if I'm exploitative enough." The people who are naturally motivated by the greedy tendencies of capitalism. Suppose a mass group of them takes form. Even with militias, they'll certainly have the capabilities of causing trouble. Universal education isn't going to eliminate every single cappie. Especially those who were raised by bourgeoisie families or have been brainwashed by the bourgeoisie too much to be fixed. It's been proven in fact that when people who hold tightly outrageous ideas are proven wrong, they tend to cling even more tightly to these ridiculous ideas, rather than reforming their viewpoints. If you don't believe me, take creationist for example.

[Q]

This is, at most, a temporary problem. History renders former capitalists irrelevant, much like nobility these days means fuck.

[Zukunftsmusik]

A hypothetical, future communist society would have a different economic system than today, eliminating classes (ideally). Capitalists wouldn't exist, as there wouldn't, hypothetically, be any classes.


But what about the people who say "I'm on the same level as everyone else in society, but in capitalism I can be higher than almost everyone if I'm exploitative enough." The people who are naturally motivated by the greedy tendencies of capitalism.

Being a capitalist is not the same as being "motivated by the greedy tendencies of capitalism". As you obviously has understood, from reading your post, being a capitalist means exploiting workers. In a classless economic system, production would be organised so that being a capitalist simply isn't possible.


Especially those who were raised by bourgeoisie families or have been brainwashed by the bourgeoisie too much to be fixed.

What time-span are we talking about here? When you say "communist society", don't you mean a hypothetical, future classless society? If so, how would people even be raised in bourgeois families?


Universal education isn't going to eliminate every single cappie.

No, taking control of the means of production will. We want to eliminate the capitalists as a class, not generally greedy people.

[Questionable]

A bourgeois uprising in a communist society is as likely as a feudalistic uprising in a capitalist one.

[Blake's Baby]

A bourgeois uprising in a communist society is as likely as a feudalistic uprising in a capitalist one.

Having said that, 100 years after the 'English Civil War' (the capitalist political revolution in Britain and Ireland) the retrograde feudalists were still rallying around the Jacobean (Stuart) pretenders. The 'final accommodation' of the bourgeoisie with the aristocracy required a series of military confrontations that weren't settled until 1745.

So yeah, 'feudalistic uprisings'.

There was a period after the revolution in France where the monarchy was several times restored, though to be honest I don't know much about 19th century France and it may be that the monarchies were thoroughly 'bourgeois'.

I think your point is flawed though. I think a pro-capitalist rising is in some ways less likely to happen than a pro-feudal one. The material basis for capitalist exploitation will not exist in socialism so there will no classes, whereas feudalist risings were attempting to substitute one class society for another.