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vox
20th November 2001, 19:50
Published on Tuesday, November 20, 2001 in the Boston Herald
High School Speech by Peace Prof Raises Ire
by Ed Hayward

School officials are being asked to justify a recent speech given by peace activist Howard Zinn at Newton North High School in which he equated the U.S. military strikes in Afghanistan with the Sept. 11 terrorist attacks.
The controversial historian and former Boston University professor stressed that the U.S. bombing raids aimed at toppling the Taliban and hunting down fugitive terror boss Osama bin Laden were killing children and innocent civilians.

``The terrorists of Sept. 11 did a horrible thing to us, so we do terrible things to the people of Afghanistan. That is immoral and puts us on the same level as a terrorist,'' Zinn was quoted as saying in a report in the school newspaper.

Parents questioned exposing young teens to Zinn's opinions.

``It's unbelievable what this guy did,'' said Tom Mountain, a parent of three Newton students who are not yet in high school. ``It's horrifying. He told these things to an entire school audience of kids 13 to 17 who don't know any better.''

Mountain said he has disagreed with Zinn for more than 20 years, dating back to the 1980s when Mountain was a student at Brandeis University rallying in support of Israel. Zinn was out of town and could not be reached for comment, according to his wife.

Jim Marini, Newton's associate superintendent for secondary schools, agreed that Zinn's views are ``radically different'' than those of most Americans and U.S. political leaders. Still, he defended the campus-run speakers program and said he had not received any complaints from parents.

``I think the schools bring in speakers who are not always non-controversial,'' said Marini. ``That's what happens in the schools. That's what happened in this case. That's part of what, I suppose, education is all about.''

Officials at Newton North could not be reached for comment. A message for Newton Mayor David Cohen, who sits on the School Committee, was not returned.

The school paper, Newtonite, said the speech was sponsored by the school's Human Rights Board as the first in a series of forums after Sept. 11.

In a ``packed Lesker Auditorium'' Zinn questioned the effectiveness of the bombing campaign.

``What happens if we do capture Osama bin Laden? Will we be safe then?'' he asked.

``The death of 6,000 New Yorkers is very real to us,'' the paper quoted Zinn. ``The death of thousands of Iraqi children is not. Until the death of children in other countries is as real to us as the death of our children, we will continue to have a real problem.''

Zinn warned the students that war ultimately curbs civil liberties in America.

``In a war situation there is always an attempt to suppress free speech,'' the school paper quoted Zinn. ``People who disagree with the war are looked at as unpatriotic, but in a democracy you must think for yourself about what is right and wrong and speak your mind.''

El Commandante
20th November 2001, 20:09
``It's unbelievable what this guy did,'' said Tom Mountain, a parent of three Newton students who are not yet in high school. ``It's horrifying. He told these things to an entire school audience of kids 13 to 17 who don't know any better.''


Of course the kids know better, they have every right to listen to both sides of the arguement and form an unbiased decision for themselves. They are either seriously underestimating the intelligance and freedom of thought that the students have or are unneccessarily sheltering them from what some would say is the truth.

I'm presuming here so wouldn't the students have the option to go to the speech or not? Doesn't that show that they do know better and maybe it's the parents who don't?

It just seems like another case of trying to silence a different point of view.

vox
20th November 2001, 20:21
Yep, I really like that quote.

The right supports free speech only if they agree with it. This also gives us a good idea as to what right-wingers think school should be: indoctrination centers. Who needs an education if you're properly obedient?

vox

El Commandante
20th November 2001, 20:30
Yeah, if they had their way then people like us would be tracked down, doused with the name terrorist, have our emails monitored, phones tapped privacy invaded.

Oh wait, that's already happening, but it's for the protection of the state, to keep us safe from terrorists, we're a threat you see. How stupid of me.

vox
20th November 2001, 20:37
And that's if you're lucky!

If you're an immigrant in the USA, you now have the special privilege of being tried by a secret military tribunal, held wherever the US says, and face the death penalty without the right to appeal.

All together now:

War is Peace
Freedom is Slavery
Ignorance is Strength

vox

El Commandante
20th November 2001, 20:43
War is Peace
Freedom is Slavery
Ignorance is Strength


Seems very much like a Big Brother situation, and critics say it was a parody of communism, HA! Here in the UK we're going to have to carry ID cards all the time or face arrest. Be arrested and put in jail with out trial if you are suspected of counter stater measures. The system is insane, but on a serious note people like us could really be hit if it goes through, or is that just being paranoid?

vox
20th November 2001, 20:54
I don't think it's being paranoid at all. A look at history shows the lengths to which the ruling elite will go in order to preserve their power and silence dissent. Ashcroft, the Attorney General of the USA, has order 5000 immigrants be questioned. Nothing like intimidation tactics to breed fear. Stalin used them, too. Bush has taken incredible presidential power, rivaling Roosevelt's during WWII.

I read a bit about the UK's terrorism law. People were saying that wearing a t-shirt could brand you a terrorist!

I wish I could say that all of this is surprising.

vox

Jurhael
20th November 2001, 20:54
It can easily be considered paranoia, but I don't think your off on what you're saying.

Anonymous
21st November 2001, 01:06
the quote
War is Peace
Freedom is Slavery
Ignorance is Strength
is form the 1984 romance by george orwell, its a critic and prevision of what stalinism is and may become. the quote its self is an ilustration of the double think philosophy.

nice artical vox.

Guest1
21st November 2001, 01:06
I go to a Canadian high school filled with priviliged white kids. Last year, I wrote an article about oppression in Israel for the newspaper. They stalled and stalled, "fix this" "fix that", I wrote at least 6 drafts because they kept wanting to edit it. Each time, I'd insist on only changing grammar, form, spelling. I refused to "dumb down" the bite of the article. They kept on stalling. Parents somehow saw it and started complaining. Eventually, they flat out refused it (after all this work) and banned me from writing about that subject for the newspaper. I made them regret it. By the end of the year, almost every kid, spoiled brat or not, thought of the newspaper, its faculty advisor and the administration as monolithic dictators. Noone would write for them, the newspaper was mostly filler.

El Commandante
21st November 2001, 22:59
Luckily I havent had an excperiance like that Che n MJ, my school newspaper is letting me write a report on the 18/11 protest and so far I haven't had an problems with having to dumb it down. At least you got your revenge in some way. Maybe they will now realise not to prevent freedom of speech.

vox
21st November 2001, 23:09
CyMJ,

I don't know if you're still there or not, but the PC has made self-publishing a very inexpensive thing. Pamphlets, newspapers, whatever.

Distributing a free "alternative" paper would cost very little and could do some good. Of course, you'd probably be suspended, but keep the issues global rather than local and you have a better case. After all, don't the capitalists just LOVE initiative?

vox

Jurhael
21st November 2001, 23:28
They only love it when it suits them, Vox. ;)

vox
22nd November 2001, 01:01
That's when you start in about social context and hypocrisy. Damn, but I was a ***** in high school. :)

vox

Guest1
22nd November 2001, 04:34
I was planning to do it. I had about 20 people out of 50 in grade 10 volunteering. They were scared. They threatened to suspened all of us :) I was laughing at the meeting and begged them to. Of course, they didn't.

They also had a proxy at the school which blocked out key words. It had a very bad record of blocking out left-wing and human rights sites for no reason. Very bad. Me and two friends, at the end of the year, hacked the computers. We removed the proxy, set the home page to safeweb (a privacy surfing tool) and placed a background that said "bring down the fascist computer use policy". We changed the password for the security syestem and made the computers work even better than before. I took responsibility (I was a known radical free speech defender :) ) and was suspended. They suspected one of my friends and brought him in. They sat there for 30 minutes asking "why did I bring you in here?" and he'd answer, smiling, "I don't know, you tell me" over and over again. After the meeting they said "you seemed too happy in there, you're suspended". We went to our classes and yelled out "suspended!" with raised fists, I actually enjoyed it alot. This year I'd like to try to get some change to the way they treat the students, especially to get rid of the plastic bubble philosophy, through talking calmly to them (that pisses them off sometimes, though). Give them about a month after the talking, then take matters into my own hands again.

Moskitto
22nd November 2001, 21:14
My brother told me that some of the communists in our school put up a petition in one of the social areas demanding "Socialism in One School" demanding more representation for students (we already have is a commitee for each year and one for the whole school.)

Someone in our school got suspended for "Illegal computer use" and everyone thought it was hacking but it turned out he was sending fairly obscene hate mail to people.

El Commandante
22nd November 2001, 21:37
Moskitto, you are lucky having representation in school, we have nothing. Basically we don't have a say in how anything in the school is run. Absolutely nothing, we're treated like serfs on the land owner's land. We almost have to get permission to piss! Not quite that extreme but I would love to have some say in the basic running of the school.

CommieBastard
22nd November 2001, 22:24
sorry? you mean not everyone has to get permission to piss in their schools?
fuck...

sabre
23rd November 2001, 19:03
OH MY GOD THAT HITS SO CLOSE TO HOME.

Do you guys know who Patch Adams is? The doctor that Robin WIlliams made amovie about? He came to our school to speak and spent the whole time talking about our bombing Iraq and how corporations rule america. I was so happy that this guy uses his popularity and famousness for good and not evil. Afterwards, i had to work (for my technical theater class) at a school board meeting setting lights and doing electronics things and tons of parents came up to the stand saying that everything that our children hear should be censored, like this commie man trying to distort children's views on america, especcially in times like this. Gr..... but at least he got through to a few kids...