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Blanquist
20th June 2012, 20:15
they were gone by 1939 correct?

im listening to a yale lecture and the guy says a lot of russians died during ww2 not on the front, but they were shot because they were kulaks, but i dont think there were kulaks, or were there?

Workers-Control-Over-Prod
20th June 2012, 21:02
"but they were shot because they were kulaks" Yes, because communists are a certain type of human that just kill people for funz... No, the kulaks that were killed were the ones who violently resisted their expropriation, supported terror against the workers state, sabotaged production and by such methods let millions starve.

bad ideas actualised by alcohol
20th June 2012, 21:04
Shouldn't this be in History?

Also, I think what Wcop said is about right.

Ismail
20th June 2012, 21:13
According to the Great Soviet Encyclopedia (http://encyclopedia2.thefreedictionary.com/kulaks) of the 70's:

The development of the complete collectivization of agriculture served as the basis for the shift to a policy of liquidating the kulaks as a class. The kulaks offered bitter resistance to the kolkhoz movement; they even murdered party activists and organized anti-Soviet rebellions. This extreme exacerbation of the class struggle necessarily hastened the liquidation of the kulaks as a class. The decrees and instructions issued by the Central Committee of the ACP (Bolshevik) on Jan. 30, 1930, and by the Central Executive Committee and Council of People’s Commissars of the USSR on Feb. 1 and Feb. 4, 1930, which were intended for areas of complete collectivization, repealed the law on land rental and hired labor and permitted the confiscation of kulak property and exile of kulaks. The confiscated property was transferred to the indivisible funds [the capital] of the kolkhozes. The families of the wealthiest kulaks and the families of direct participants in the counterrevolutionary struggle were subject to resettlement. “De-kulakization” proceeded as a common enterprise of representatives of Soviet rule, public organizations, and peasants. Some of the kulaks “de-kulakized” themselves by liqui-dating their farms and moving to cities and other regions.

As the result of the socialist transformation of agriculture, the Soviet peasantry was delivered from kulak exploitation. The kolkhoz system won out in the USSR, and the conditions giving rise to kulaks disappeared. The majority of former kulaks were resettled within the boundaries of the same administrative regions and were subsequently admitted into kolkhozes, given work in sovkhozes, or allowed to move into cities. Between 1930 and 1932 just over 240,700 families were sent to distant regions: that number represented about one-fourth of the kulak households and less than 1 percent of the total number of peasant households. Some of the kulaks worked in mining and lumbering, others were included in special agricultural artels with an appointed administration. Restrictions on civil rights, such as deprivation of voting rights, of the right to leave one’s place of residence, and of the right to serve in the Red Army, were gradually lifted for those former kulaks who worked honestly and were loyal to Soviet power. The Constitution of the USSR of 1936 accorded voting rights to all the kulaks. In September 1938 the artels of former kulaks were transformed into agricultural artels with the normal system of administration.

By 1941, there were about 930,000 former kulaks (about 220,-000 families) in places of settlement. During the Great Patriotic War, the majority of them worked selflessly. Their children fought at the front against the fascist German invaders. Many were awarded orders and medals. After the war the last restrictions on kulaks were lifted: they regained the right to leave their place of settlement. Thus the majority of former kulaks were drawn into socialist construction, reeducated, and transformed into fully equal citizens of Soviet society.


Shouldn't this be in History?It's a question, not a historical discussion.

bad ideas actualised by alcohol
20th June 2012, 21:19
According to the Great Soviet Encyclopedia (http://encyclopedia2.thefreedictionary.com/kulaks) of the 70's:


It's a question, not a historical discussion.

How is this not historical?

Edit: sorry for being off-topic

Ismail
20th June 2012, 21:28
History is for actually discussing historical subjects. Learning is, ideally, questions and answers.

Geiseric
20th June 2012, 21:43
Yeah Kulaks were pretty awful. Alot of people who were killed weren't Kulaks although, and the threat that they presented to the workers state was ignored and even supported by Stalin and Bukharin's political blocs. The slogan that Bukharin let out to the peasants during the later years of the N.E.P. post the first famines in 1925 were "get rich."

Ismail
20th June 2012, 21:47
The slogan that Bukharin let out to the peasants during the later years of the N.E.P. post the first famines in 1925 were "get rich."Which Stalin explicitly attacked when Bukharin said it (as noted by Sheila Fitzpatrick, etc.)

In any case this thread is about answers to the question, not political or, indeed, historical debate. The question is "when did kulaks get eliminated."

Deicide
20th June 2012, 22:24
According to the Great Soviet Encyclopedia

Why would anyone trust that as a source?

Omsk
20th June 2012, 22:41
Why not? You don't know anything about it, but the question of the kulak elimination is not something under the shroud of silence or mystery, - it was class struggle and they were eliminated for the betterment of the proletariat, they gave stiff resistance and were vicious in their counter-revolutionary action, and this was met with harsh reaction of the Soviet peoples state. Nothing in that paragraph was wrong or biased. Unless you care about the stories of the profit-loving-rich peasants who destroyed a lot of lives with their ridiculous acts.

Ismail
20th June 2012, 22:45
Why would anyone trust that as a source?Presumably because it was an authoritative encyclopedia contributed to by the foremost historians, philosophers, scientists, etc. of the Soviet Union? Presumably because an article written by a Soviet specialist in the subject of collectivization (of which V.P. Danilov, the author of the article, was particularly notable) would know what it's talking about?

The GSE was massive in scope; it was the Encyclopędia Britannica of the 'socialist' world.

Ethics Gradient, Traitor For All Ages
20th June 2012, 22:52
Not all Kulaks were executed. In Behind the Urals the author talks about them being used as more or less forced labor for the construction of the Magnitogorsk facility, he also indicated that they would eventually earn their freedom but was somewhat vague about how or when that might happen.

Prometeo liberado
20th June 2012, 22:56
Why would anyone trust that as a source?

I know it has long been a custom on Revleft to simply dismiss a source without anything to counter it or prove it false. So my answer to your question would be to trust this source until you find a better one.

Geiseric
21st June 2012, 02:59
Another thing worth noting though is that many peasants who were poorer or middle peasants as opposed to rich peasants were also expropiated and completely robbed. total expropiation of the peasants owning very small plots wasn't a very good move, Lenin even considered poor peasants to be friendly to the soviets.