Guns and Booze, Use/Effects and availability.

[Urban Rubble]

Shut the fuck up you phony leftist.Its ridiculous.Your obsession with me is honestly scary.You can't go into any topic that I comment on without lashing out at me.Give it a rest already

Phony leftist ? THis is coming from the 14 year old that has not participated in a discussion more complex than "What would you do if you were Lenin" or "Milosevic: good or bad".

You have no knowledge of economics, politics or Socialism. You are an amateur, but I get over it because you are so young and still learning. The fact that you can call me a "phony leftist" when it's painfully obvious that you are either brand new to the movement or haven't studied a fucking thing is very indicitave of you juvenile way of insulting me. If you are going to insult someone, at least base it in truth. I've told you that before after you said you read more in a week than I do in a year (disregarding the fact that we've never met, therefore making it impossible for you to know this).

[Comrade Ceausescu]

well,you have made equally immature insults against me.I am honestly extremly sick of your exsistence.I can't post in ANY THREAD without being harrassed by you.Also,I have over 500 posts here,and I have only participated in two discussions?Thats ludicrous.I also dispise the way you act as if you know me,and your constant use of the age card.Just because someone is young,certainly does not mean that they cannot be a knowlegable and intelligent individual.Those who dismiss people simply because of their age are close minded and foolish.If I am such an amatuer,you have obviously not gotten over it seeing as your harrassment of me increases every day or so.On a more broad base,I find it disgusting how che-lives suppresses "Stalinists" who make a concious effort to contribute to this board,while you glorify and give high positions,and general respect to well known and self admittant drug abusers,and drug distributers.

[Urban Rubble]

Also,I have over 500 posts here,and I have only participated in two discussions?

No, I said you hadn't posted in any discussion more complex than the ones I listed. Pay better attention kid.


I also dispise the way you act as if you know me,and your constant use of the age card.

I never acted like I know you any farther than what I've read on this board. If you would post something to prove me wrong then go ahead. However, you said you read more than me in a week, which implies that you know me, which you don't. HYPOCRITE.


Just because someone is young,certainly does not mean that they cannot be a knowlegable and intelligent individual

I never said that. BUT, it's a fact that the younger you are, generally, the less knowledgeable you will be. Do you deny that older people are usually wiser than younger people ?

Actually, I think you are probably alot smarter than most kids your agre, at least you are interested in politics. Most kids your age aren't. Don't for one second think that I think you're an idiot (even when I call you that), I don't, I just think you're young and imperssionable. Shit, maybe after you read a little bit you will even become a true leftist and drop your support for murdering psycos like Hussein.


On a more broad base,I find it disgusting how che-lives suppresses "Stalinists" who make a concious effort to contribute to this board,while you glorify and give high positions,and general respect to well known and self admittant drug abusers,and drug distributers.

Well, I think there is a big difference between someone who enjoys the occasional joint and someone who supports a man that murdered a few million people (not 20 of course, but still, alot). Also, explain exactly what is wrong with drug users ? As long as they can keep it in control why should they be punished for it ? Because it's illegal ? Are you really that brainwashed ? There is not a fucking thing wrong with someone who does drugs, as long as he is in control and not robbing people to get a fix. This is the kind of shit that makes me call you an idiot, you makes a generalization with no base at all. Why should drug users be excluded ?

[Comrade Ceausescu]

No, I said you hadn't posted in any discussion more complex than the ones I listed. Pay better attention kid.

Same thing "adult".I doubt you have really read every post I have made here,and I can guarantee that I have participated in many more then the afermentioned "serious and complex discusscions".This is just a ridiculous claim,and I think you know it.




I never acted like I know you any farther than what I've read on this board. If you would post something to prove me wrong then go ahead. However, you said you read more than me in a week, which implies that you know me, which you don't. HYPOCRITE.

Maybe to a certain extent,but I thought that I had apologized and admitted that comment was stupid.Maybe not,but if not,here it is.Sorry that was stupid.None the less you adopt a sumg attitude towards me,and you act like I am so predictable and what not.





I never said that. BUT, it's a fact that the younger you are, generally, the less knowledgeable you will be. Do you deny that older people are usually wiser than younger people ?

Actually, I think you are probably alot smarter than most kids your agre, at least you are interested in politics. Most kids your age aren't. Don't for one second think that I think you're an idiot (even when I call you that), I don't, I just think you're young and imperssionable. Shit, maybe after you read a little bit you will even become a true leftist and drop your support for murdering psycos like Hussein.

I will give you that older people tend to be wiser because they have had more experiences in life.But I can't stand the "better then you" attitude people like you adopt.You may be wiser then me,but you are not neccasserily smarter.I am certainly not saying I am smarter then you,simply saying that being older dosen't mean smarter.Also,if you do not think I am an idiot,please don't say so.then maybe there would be no confusion.




Well, I think there is a big difference between someone who enjoys the occasional joint and someone who supports a man that murdered a few million people (not 20 of course, but still, alot). Also, explain exactly what is wrong with drug users ? As long as they can keep it in control why should they be punished for it ? Because it's illegal ? Are you really that brainwashed ? There is not a fucking thing wrong with someone who does drugs, as long as he is in control and not robbing people to get a fix. This is the kind of shit that makes me call you an idiot, you makes a generalization with no base at all. Why should drug users be excluded?

I just think it is stupid.Stupid that someone like me who stays clean should be given less respect then someone who does not.I guess I am prejudice considering the fact that I have have suffered the severe effects of drugs and alcahol,and have suffered a lot because of its effects on my father.

[Urban Rubble]

Same thing "adult".I doubt you have really read every post I have made here,and I can guarantee that I have participated in many more then the afermentioned "serious and complex discusscions".This is just a ridiculous claim,and I think you know it.

It was a bit ridiculous. I just think that someone who is brash enough to call me a phony leftist would have to be incredibly educated. I don't think you are stupid, but I think you are at a very base level in your knowledge of Marxism, and to act like you do when you are so new to this rubs me the wrong way.


I will give you that older people tend to be wiser because they have had more experiences in life.But I can't stand the "better then you" attitude people like you adopt.You may be wiser then me,but you are not neccasserily smarter.I am certainly not saying I am smarter then you,simply saying that being older dosen't mean smarter.Also,if you do not think I am an idiot,please don't say so.then maybe there would be no confusion.

Older does not necessarily mean smarter, but it most cases wisdom comes with age. Younger folks tend to be more ignorant while thinking they know more than they do. The reason I have called you an idiot is because I was frustrated, I don't think that, I just think you are young and a bit quick to jump to conclusions. Normally someone who supports mass muderers like you would be an idiot, but you are an exception, you are very young.


I just think it is stupid.Stupid that someone like me who stays clean should be given less respect then someone who does not.I guess I am prejudice considering the fact that I have have suffered the severe effects of drugs and alcahol,and have suffered a lot because of its effects on my father.

What is your definition of "clean" ? How is someone who uses drugs "unclean" ? How is someone who uses drugs (but keeps it in control) lower than you ? That is bullshit propagated by the U.S government. Not all drug users are these low human beings you think they are. Some (actually, alot) are pieces of shit, but just because someone who uses drugs and you don't does not make you better than them.

It was your father's fault he had a drug problem, not the drugs. He was weak. I know many drug users who can keep it in control and are perfectly normal people. That is the same logic people use to discredit communism, they say "Stalin killed millions, so therefore, communism killed millions". We real Socialists know that it was Stalin's fault, not communisms, that what happened happened. An ideology cannot be responsible for the sickening actions of one man. Just as a drug cannot be held responsible for the irresponsible actions of your father. It was not the drugs fault, it was your fathers. It is not the guns fault someone is killed, it is the person who pulls the trigger.

[Comrade Ceausescu]

Shut the fuck up.Its his own idiocy to blaim.And fools like you who support and buy beer and drugs that make it so popular. And he hasn't done drugs in a very long while,alcahool is the problem.

[Urban Rubble]

I write 4 paragraphs and that is your reply ? Nice.


Shut the fuck up.Its his own idiocy to blaim.

What the fuck ? Where is the hostilty coming from ? I wasn't insulting you dad you little ****, I was stating a fact, it is his weakness to blame for him getting addicted, the drugs and alchohol are not at fault. You agreed with me right there (It's his own idiocy to blame) yet you still tell me to shut the fuckup and call me a fool ? You're a very confused little kid.


And fools like you who support and buy beer and drugs that make it so popular. And he hasn't done drugs in a very long while,alcahool is the problem.

What ? What does me buying beer have anything to do with anything ? I suppose I'm somehow to blame for other people's addictions because I buy beer ? Wow. Again, nice logic kid, you're really proving to me that you aren't a complete moron. Yes, I buy beer, I am an adult and that is my choice. I get drunk and I don't cause any problems, apparently your father cannot show restraint like some people. Exactly why is it wrong for me to buy beer ? Who does that hurt ?

Again, it isn't the drugs or alchohol's fault. If I buy a gun and shoot someone in the fae, is it the gun's fault ? No, it's mine.

Reply to everything I asked, and I'm going to re-post my last post below since you ignored it.

[Urban Rubble]

Same thing "adult".I doubt you have really read every post I have made here,and I can guarantee that I have participated in many more then the afermentioned "serious and complex discusscions".This is just a ridiculous claim,and I think you know it.


It was a bit ridiculous. I just think that someone who is brash enough to call me a phony leftist would have to be incredibly educated. I don't think you are stupid, but I think you are at a very base level in your knowledge of Marxism, and to act like you do when you are so new to this rubs me the wrong way.



I will give you that older people tend to be wiser because they have had more experiences in life.But I can't stand the "better then you" attitude people like you adopt.You may be wiser then me,but you are not neccasserily smarter.I am certainly not saying I am smarter then you,simply saying that being older dosen't mean smarter.Also,if you do not think I am an idiot,please don't say so.then maybe there would be no confusion.


Older does not necessarily mean smarter, but it most cases wisdom comes with age. Younger folks tend to be more ignorant while thinking they know more than they do. The reason I have called you an idiot is because I was frustrated, I don't think that, I just think you are young and a bit quick to jump to conclusions. Normally someone who supports mass muderers like you would be an idiot, but you are an exception, you are very young.



I just think it is stupid.Stupid that someone like me who stays clean should be given less respect then someone who does not.I guess I am prejudice considering the fact that I have have suffered the severe effects of drugs and alcahol,and have suffered a lot because of its effects on my father.


What is your definition of "clean" ? How is someone who uses drugs "unclean" ? How is someone who uses drugs (but keeps it in control) lower than you ? That is bullshit propagated by the U.S government. Not all drug users are these low human beings you think they are. Some (actually, alot) are pieces of shit, but just because someone who uses drugs and you don't does not make you better than them.

It was your father's fault he had a drug problem, not the drugs. He was weak. I know many drug users who can keep it in control and are perfectly normal people. That is the same logic people use to discredit communism, they say "Stalin killed millions, so therefore, communism killed millions". We real Socialists know that it was Stalin's fault, not communisms, that what happened happened. An ideology cannot be responsible for the sickening actions of one man. Just as a drug cannot be held responsible for the irresponsible actions of your father. It was not the drugs fault, it was your fathers. It is not the guns fault someone is killed, it is the person who pulls the trigger.

[Comrade Ceausescu]

What the fuck ? Where is the hostilty coming from ? I wasn't insulting you dad you little ****, I was stating a fact, it is his weakness to blame for him getting addicted, the drugs and alchohol are not at fault. You agreed with me right there (It's his own idiocy to blame) yet you still tell me to shut the fuckup and call me a fool ? You're a very confused little kid.

Well I hope you understand my bitterness about alcahol and drugs.I lost my temper thats why i tould you to shut the fuck up.



What ? What does me buying beer have anything to do with anything ? I suppose I'm somehow to blame for other people's addictions because I buy beer ? Wow. Again, nice logic kid, you're really proving to me that you aren't a complete moron. Yes, I buy beer, I am an adult and that is my choice. I get drunk and I don't cause any problems, apparently your father cannot show restraint like some people. Exactly why is it wrong for me to buy beer ? Who does that hurt ?

Again, it isn't the drugs or alchohol's fault. If I buy a gun and shoot someone in the fae, is it the gun's fault ? No, it's mine.

I agree with you.In theroy you are right.Yes it is the idiots who buy the guns fault if they shoot someone,but you have to start to question why the guns are available.I believe you when you say that you drink and don't hurt anyone.But,there are plenty who get drunk and do hurt people.But plenty of drunk drivers kill people.So,yeah i think its neccassery to think and question why and to the extent it its available.I am actually for making the legal drinking age lower,and making the legal driving age higher.Thats what its like in Europe and it seems to work better.

[Urban Rubble]

Dude, you skipped that post again, but whatever, that's fine.


I agree with you.In theroy you are right.Yes it is the idiots who buy the guns fault if they shoot someone,but you have to start to question why the guns are available.I believe you when you say that you drink and don't hurt anyone.But,there are plenty who get drunk and do hurt people.But plenty of drunk drivers kill people.So,yeah i think its neccassery to think and question why and to the extent it its available.I am actually for making the legal drinking age lower,and making the legal driving age higher.Thats what its like in Europe and it seems to work better.

Guns are available because of something called freedom of choice. This country is fucked up beyond repair, but we still have some things going for us, relatively high amounts of freedom are on of them. We have the freedom to choose how to live our lives. Gun control in this country needs a fix up, but they should not be illegal. People use these for recreation. Taking away alchohol would help nothing, look at the 30's. It is an unfortunate side effect that people choose to be idiots and abuse it, but saying that all people who drink are idiots is wrong, I hope you can see that. Again, alchohol isn't the problem, people who abuse it is.

[FatFreeMilk]

:lol: :lol: You're awesome Urban Rubble! I'm sorry for that time I called you a dick or something like that :lol:

[Comrade Ceausescu]

so awesome...and mature too!





Guns are available because of something called freedom of choice. This country is fucked up beyond repair, but we still have some things going for us, relatively high amounts of freedom are on of them. We have the freedom to choose how to live our lives. Gun control in this country needs a fix up, but they should not be illegal. People use these for recreation. Taking away alchohol would help nothing, look at the 30's. It is an unfortunate side effect that people choose to be idiots and abuse it, but saying that all people who drink are idiots is wrong, I hope you can see that. Again, alchohol isn't the problem, people who abuse it is.

I agree with you for the most part.You have touched a nerve,and the only thing that pisses me off is that from what I see you are not respecting that.You don't seem to comprhend that yes,in fact I am extremly prejudice about alcahool and drug use.

[Urban Rubble]

You don't seem to comprhend that yes,in fact I am extremly prejudice about alcahool and drug use.

Jesus Christ. Your inability to comprehend the most basic things is starting to bother me.

I understand that you are prejuduiced towards this topic, that is why I'm trying to educate you, so you can rid yourself of these biases. I comprehend this perfectly fine, I am trying to help you so you don't piss off another drinker or drug user for no reason

[Rastafari]

how about you both come to my house and work out your collective differences over a nice tall glass of grape kool-aid? savvy?

[Comrade Ceausescu]

Jesus Christ. Your inability to comprehend the most basic things is starting to bother me.

I understand that you are prejuduiced towards this topic, that is why I'm trying to educate you, so you can rid yourself of these biases. I comprehend this perfectly fine, I am trying to help you so you don't piss off another drinker or drug user for no reason

The only time I confront drug users or drinkers is when they confront me.Kind of like you.Also,have you ever thought for a second that I might be trying to teach you a few things about the effects drugs and alcahol use can have on people?I don't care if someone is an alcaholic or not,you can't tell me its not stressful for someones wife or kids or whoever when they come home drunk everynight.

[Urban Rubble]

I confronted you about a totally different subject, you brought up the shit about me smoking herb as a way to insult me. That is called ad-hominem.


Also,have you ever thought for a second that I might be trying to teach you a few things about the effects drugs and alcahol use can have on people?I don't care if someone is an alcaholic or not,you can't tell me its not stressful for someones wife or kids or whoever when they come home drunk everynight.

I understand this, but calling me a "loser" because I drink is not a good way to educate me. Also, you are too biased to have anything constructive to say about it. It is very clear that you don't know all that much about the subject and that you are against it simply because of one bad example (your father).

Of course it is stressful to you and your mom if you dad comes home drunk every night, that is called alchoholism. Which brings me back to my point, some people are responsible and can handle it and some people aren't. Just like some people can own a gun and not murder anyone with, some can't.

[redstar2000]

On a more broad base, I find it disgusting how che-lives suppresses "Stalinists" who make a conscious effort to contribute to this board...

Some do, some don't! To the best of my knowledge, the only "Stalinists" who've actually been banned were trolls. One got himself restricted due to "chronic insulting" of people he disagreed with...but I wouldn't be surprised to see the restriction lifted before the end of next year, if not sooner.

I know "the banned ones" make a great fuss on other forums about how "dictatorial" Che-Lives "is". That's their privilege.

But the policy remains: discuss and ye shall be replied to; troll and ye shall be banned. :D

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