Canada's New Prime Minister

[DeadMan]

http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=stor...da_politics_col (http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&cid=841&ncid=841&e=1&u=/nm/20031212/wl_canada_nm/canada_politics_col)

We now have a business man in charge of our beautiful country...just great. Now we are even more stuck on money. He is trying to smooth things over with the US and is trying to change Canada into a more US driven country...as we aren't enough already. He is cutting back on Human Ressources and Devellopment Ministry and putting it more into Public Safety and Emergency Preparedness Ministry for national crisis and natural disaster releif...our biggest crisis since Ice Storm 98 was the 2003 Power Outage. He is putting money in the wrong department. He should put it in health care and education.

Speaking from my experiences, I hate having to wait up to 6 hours in the emergency room. When I got a broke hand last year, it took up to 5 hours for a doctor to look at me. All he did was send me to x-ray then I had to wait another 2 hours for a new doctor to come and bandage me up. All this was from 2am to 9am. Also, my school recently cut back on 2 sports (volleyball and track) because of lack of funding. And our computers are out of date (1999) and our library is horribly under the standard with books. Some books are almost 20 years old and the newest is about 2 years old. Hell, my math class doesn't even have enough books for each student because our school doesn't have the funding to purchase them all. We can't even afford to have anymore teachers, hence the reason why my school doesn't have shop this year.

I think it's time Canada tried something new. Chretien did his job, and very well. He managed to stabilize our country and give us a running economy. I'm just worried for my future and the future of my family. I don't want to turn out like the US in anyway. Canada needs it's own way, and this guy is preventing that.

Your opinion? Remarks? Anything?

DeadMan.

[Jesus Christ]

that man is a money-grubbing bastard

he declares himself a liberal? yea fuckin right, hes about as liberal as donald trump

the only reason he wants newly found relations with the U.S. is to suck more money in for himself


I really liked Chretien, VIVA LA CHRETIEN, he was without a doubt one of the best western leaders ever
Canada doesnt need some doofy-ass conservative ***** like Martin

[Comité De Salut Public]

Originally posted by [email protected] 13 2003, 08:33 PM
http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=stor...da_politics_col (http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&cid=841&ncid=841&e=1&u=/nm/20031212/wl_canada_nm/canada_politics_col)

We now have a business man in charge of our beautiful country...just great. Now we are even more stuck on money. He is trying to smooth things over with the US and is trying to change Canada into a more US driven country...as we aren't enough already. He is cutting back on Human Ressources and Devellopment Ministry and putting it more into Public Safety and Emergency Preparedness Ministry for national crisis and natural disaster releif...our biggest crisis since Ice Storm 98 was the 2003 Power Outage. He is putting money in the wrong department. He should put it in health care and education.

Speaking from my experiences, I hate having to wait up to 6 hours in the emergency room. When I got a broke hand last year, it took up to 5 hours for a doctor to look at me. All he did was send me to x-ray then I had to wait another 2 hours for a new doctor to come and bandage me up. All this was from 2am to 9am. Also, my school recently cut back on 2 sports (volleyball and track) because of lack of funding. And our computers are out of date (1999) and our library is horribly under the standard with books. Some books are almost 20 years old and the newest is about 2 years old. Hell, my math class doesn't even have enough books for each student because our school doesn't have the funding to purchase them all. We can't even afford to have anymore teachers, hence the reason why my school doesn't have shop this year.

I think it's time Canada tried something new. Chretien did his job, and very well. He managed to stabilize our country and give us a running economy. I'm just worried for my future and the future of my family. I don't want to turn out like the US in anyway. Canada needs it's own way, and this guy is preventing that.

Your opinion? Remarks? Anything?

DeadMan.
How is the revolutionary movement up there in Canada and what was in the Indian elder's head when he participated in the ceremony with the new prime minister? Out of his mind.

[Al Creed]

http://www.mofa.go.jp/policy/economy/summit/2000/outline/img/fkopart07.jpg

NOT MY PRIME MINISTER

I didn't mind Chretien. At least he was an actual Liberal.

I can't wait for the Federal election, when we can vote this Blue "Liberal" out.

As for the Revolution, right now, Canadians do not feel seriously threatened by their government to justify any sort of violent revolt. Change is needed, but like all things in Canada, it will more than likely be achieved peacefully and democratically.

[ComradeRobertRiley]

BBC News says this guy is a multimillionaire. He cant be allowed to stay in charge of Canada, he will turn it into another mind numbing, celebraty watching US drone.

[Al Creed]

He is a multimillionare. Used to own a shipping company too.

[Pete]

He is putting money in the wrong department. He should put it in health care and education.

What province are you in? That is where this has to be dealt with, so Martin can't really do much, except shuffle money down the line, and what happens to it then? A lot of it gets lost on the way.


How is the revolutionary movement up there in Canada

IMO, Quebec has the strongest labour movement, able to get 1million people to protest the government, and come within 4 % of declaring a general strike in a quick vote during that day. Martin is from Quebec, like Chretien and Mulroney (Campell does not count) before him. With what Charest is doing, if Martin can get labelled as a Charest supporter only action will come.

I think any sweeping change will come 'democratically' but not 'parlimentary.' It will come first from below, a groundswell, if you will. The Green party is on the way up, and with that all the 'grass root' support. And some of the right in Canada shares similar ideas about reform on some topics as the left (palimentary reform ect) so a common front could be made temporairly, but trust me, no one wants that!

Down with Martin! NOWAR-PAIX, I am pretty sure, is doing an anti-martin protest this weekend (or already ahs).

-Pete

[LiquidX]

I think that Martin goes against the Liberal party with his ideas and that he is leading Canada down the wrong path. I don't want to be a replica of the US. I liked the way things were run by Chretien...He wasn't afraid of Bush and he wasn't going to back off. But now Martin is going to be another Bush ass kisser. Personally I think it's wrong and that it's just plain stupid...but what do I know, I only live in Canada. Boy I can't wait until the next federal election so we can see his ass get kicked out the door.

[DeadMan]

Originally posted by [email protected] 14 2003, 08:11 AM
I think that Martin goes against the Liberal party with his ideas and that he is leading Canada down the wrong path. I don't want to be a replica of the US. I liked the way things were run by Chretien...He wasn't afraid of Bush and he wasn't going to back off. But now Martin is going to be another Bush ass kisser. Personally I think it's wrong and that it's just plain stupid...but what do I know, I only live in Canada. Boy I can't wait until the next federal election so we can see his ass get kicked out the door.
Might not happen tho. Alot of Bush lover (my dad for instance) is a maniac Martin supporter (and I chew him out for that everyday). My dad is your basic white collar folk. He beleive in what he is told, and he watchs too much CNN (American Propagandha Station IMO) for his own good.

DeadMan.

[LiquidX]

I agree that there are some Bush ass kissers, but quite frankly when the Canadian population opens their eyes and sees what is going on they should smarten up and become more aware that Martin is not the man that should be running this country. We went from having Chretien on one side, to now having Martin who is doing the complete opposite of what Chretien did. Don't get me wrong I don't mind change, but when it's this radical I start to wonder...

[Al Creed]

The fact that Paul Martin would be leader of the Liberal party was one of the factors that pushed me away from the Liberal Party of Canada, and further towards the Left. Upon reading the platform of the NDP, I was sold on them:)

[Regicidal Insomniac]

I hope this means Canada's milder leftists, so to speak, will realize how right-wing this dude is and transfer their vote to the NDP.

As the Libs and Torries move further right I think it can only mean better prospects for the left; Because from personal experience I've found the majority of Canadians to be more left than anything. And with the Torries jumping further right to meet the Alliance and the Libs (with Paul and PC-desserters) crossing the border to rightdom, there will be no way for rational Canadians but left.

Maybe I'm just being overly optimistic here, but if you ask me the new Conservative party and Paul Martin will only strengthem the left.

[Al Creed]

It already is. According to the NDP E-Newsletter, the NDP are closing in on 100 000 members, and are the fastest growing party right now.

[Regicidal Insomniac]

Excellent... :ph34r:

[DeadMan]

Frankly, the NDP doens't look that bad compared to this asshole in charge right now. I don't think alot of people like Paul Martin.

DeadMan.

[gawkygeek]

i shed a tear for ur future and can only welcome u into the tormented world of american capitalism. hopefully all of u can make a difference up there that will echo down and change the minds of the american ignorant. as for us americans we'll just have to get rid of bush in the next election and hopefully the bush ass-kissers will just fade away.

[LiquidX]

Its funny how quickly things can change. Jus a couple of weeks ago, not a whole lot of people would have ever dreamt of voting for the NDP. But now that alot of Canadians are seeing how far right Martin is they may have no other choice...which isn't necesarily a bad thing.

[Pete]

Originally posted by [email protected] 15 2003, 06:58 PM
Its funny how quickly things can change. Jus a couple of weeks ago, not a whole lot of people would have ever dreamt of voting for the NDP. But now that alot of Canadians are seeing how far right Martin is they may have no other choice...which isn't necesarily a bad thing.
I've never really thoughta bout voting NDP, and I still dont. Go Green or go home :P

[DeadMan]

Just a quick question. Why all the Green support? I personally loathe a few green supporters because of this snot nosed ***** that tries to force her views on me. Is communism also a Green supporter? I don't necessarily care about the enviroment. I don't purposely do dumb thing against it and I do recycle but I don't go all out fanatic. I tend to eh...this 'If someone picks it up sooner or later, it's not littering'. I know it's bad, but sometimes I'm in to much of a rush to if the container doesn't land directly in the trash can, only nearby, then it's good enough for me.

DeadMan.

[Jesus Christ]

Originally posted by [email protected] 15 2003, 08:26 PM
Just a quick question. Why all the Green support? I personally loathe a few green supporters because of this snot nosed ***** that tries to force her views on me. Is communism also a Green supporter? I don't necessarily care about the enviroment. I don't purposely do dumb thing against it and I do recycle but I don't go all out fanatic. I tend to eh...this 'If someone picks it up sooner or later, it's not littering'. I know it's bad, but sometimes I'm in to much of a rush to if the container doesn't land directly in the trash can, only nearby, then it's good enough for me.

DeadMan.
you completely misunderstand the Green party, it isnt just fighting for the environment

the Green party is extremely anit-war, and all about having personal liberties secured
Jean Chretien, although a liberal, would be an excellent example of how a green would run things in power, and Chretien did an amazing job
Greens are highly against big corporations, and would rather have mom & pop shops, which I would support
health care and education are also the extreme issues that the Green party tackles

the environment is a huge green issue, but the party does not only concern themselves with that

http://www.gp.org/

http://www.green.ca/

[Pete]

On top of what LiberAL said (didn't know you where Canadian) they are for many of the same things that I advocate outside of the power system. Basically they are the least of all the evils. They have a strong left political/economic platform with environmental advocacy on top of that. I usually find the NDP to be more 'snotty' and the Liberals the 'snottiest' of the partys. Just my opinion.

-Pete

[Jesus Christ]

Originally posted by [email protected] 15 2003, 08:38 PM
On top of what LiberAL said (didn't know you where Canadian) they are for many of the same things that I advocate outside of the power system. Basically they are the least of all the evils. They have a strong left political/economic platform with environmental advocacy on top of that. I usually find the NDP to be more 'snotty' and the Liberals the 'snottiest' of the partys. Just my opinion.

-Pete
im not Canadian lol, I just happen to have a vast knowledge of Canada due to my family being from there, couple generations back

[LiquidX]

LiberAL,

Thanks for the info on the Green Party...I, in all honesty had never thoroughly researched the group. But as a Canadian I just can't see enough of us (the general populus) going and voting for a party such as the Green Party. Alot of Canadians view the Green Party as a bunch of pot smoking hippies, which is far from the truth...But anyways...I'd like to see a change be made and I think the only plausible solution for Canadians is NDP.

I had always admired Chretien for the things he did, no matter what kind of criticism he got from people.(I especially liked when he refused to take part on the "war" against Iraq...that moment made me proud to be a Canadian.) He wasn't exactly the second coming of Pierre-Elliot Trudeau...but he was a damn good man.

[Pete]

Although the NDP is the fastest growing party in Canada, teh Green party is making steady gains. They tripled their votes in some ridings in the last ontario election, and are making good public opinion poll showings (when they are mentioned that is) in almost every province. I think that Canadians are moving left ever so softly, as our mainstream politicians move right.

-Pete

[LiquidX]

Pete,

I wholeheartedly agree, and you make some good points, but I think you'll agree with me when I say that the Green Party will not win a federal election within the next year. I'm by no means bashing the Green Party, but I believe that this is the reality of Canada. Maybe someday the Green Party will be one of, if not THE, foremost group/s in Canada. But as it stands I see them steadily gaining recognition and votes as they have over the past few years.

[Pete]

Oh no, not in the next few years, but if all who agree with its platform vote for it then it will be sooner than if people 'strategically vote.' Personally I vote green, I agree with them more than I agree with the CPC (both of them), but needless to say any permanent change needs to come from outside of the system. It is almost completely unable to reform itself ( I save a slim hope but give it rarely anythought ), but the recent action in Quebec last week shows me that some people are willing to stand up for their wellbeing against the "Liberal's" who are really right of centre, not the middle ground they so feverently claim. Where I am going with this paragraph, I do not know at the moment...

-Pete

[Eastside Revolt]

Originally posted by [email protected] 13 2003, 09:16 PM
http://www.mofa.go.jp/policy/economy/summit/2000/outline/img/fkopart07.jpg

NOT MY PRIME MINISTER

I didn't mind Chretien. At least he was an actual Liberal.

I can't wait for the Federal election, when we can vote this Blue "Liberal" out.

As for the Revolution, right now, Canadians do not feel seriously threatened by their government to justify any sort of violent revolt. Change is needed, but like all things in Canada, it will more than likely be achieved peacefully and democratically.
There needs to be a sweeping change to the Canadian Political landscape fer anyone who is not a Liberal or a Conservative to get elected to Prime Minister.

The exact problem in Canada is that we would have to feel, not just threatened, but seriously threatened to want to change our current lives. Maybe with the exception of our rural population, but in all seriousness, our rural communities have absolutely no political power.

[Xuix]

I being a canadian living in Toronto, am glad that this city has given me the chance to voice my opinion and be able to express my beliefs in a different political system. I am strongly against any form of a right wing government thus I am strongly against Paul Martin. However, Canada is mostly already owned by foreign buisnesses, and nothing we can really call canadian is Canadian anymore, we are slowly dieing out, soon to be the what? 51st state?(Might be 52nd not quite sure) We as Canadians try and fight to be our own identity and we struggle for our culture yet, our culture and heritage don't mean anything anymore, Paul martin is just pushing foward the inevitable, we are Americans techinically, just with a slightly different government and a different flag.

[Eastside Revolt]

Originally posted by [email protected] 16 2003, 02:12 AM
I being a canadian living in Toronto, am glad that this city has given me the chance to voice my opinion and be able to express my beliefs in a different political system. I am strongly against any form of a right wing government thus I am strongly against Paul Martin. However, Canada is mostly already owned by foreign buisnesses, and nothing we can really call canadian is Canadian anymore, we are slowly dieing out, soon to be the what? 51st state?(Might be 52nd not quite sure) We as Canadians try and fight to be our own identity and we struggle for our culture yet, our culture and heritage don't mean anything anymore, Paul martin is just pushing foward the inevitable, we are Americans techinically, just with a slightly different government and a different flag.
In my opinion we will never be an American state if the capitalists are smart about it. If they truely have brains they will own everyithing in Canada, and just expliot us from afar while controlling our government with money to the point where Americans have it better than us.

[Xuix]

I agree with you red, its just... I think its almost pointless to struggle for our own identity. For example, we always ***** and complain on how we are stereo typed one moment and in the next we exploit ourselves and actually act on those stereotypes. I am one of those people who, like most canadians would hate to see major American influence but alas, its already been here since the beggining. The only thing we did really that was different was instead of fighting brits we sucked up to the queen. I will always be proud to be Canadian, I just don't want to be proud of being an "American"

I know My statement contradicts itself, meh.

[Guest1]

I personally love the green party, but right now I think that the NDP are our chance. This election is pivotal, if we can get the NDP in as opposition, that will completely shift the new administration's policies. Few realize, the opposition in canada tends to set the tone of government. A left wing opposition means media coverage and criticism on the extreme-right policies of Martin. A right wing opposition means that the few left wing Liberals left in the party will be the ones attacked publicly.

NDP's Democratic Socialist alternative is looking good right now, Jack Layton kicks ass, and the current rebirth the party is having (with debates shifting towards taking the party further left) are a perfect opportunity for left-wingers in Canada to find an electable partyto represent them. I can't recall the last protest I've been to that the NDP weren't at. NDP leaders were shot and gassed along with students in the Quebec city FTAA protest. The NDP is beginning to realize the future of Canadian democracy is with us students out in the streets, and I don't think we should ignore this opportunity.

As for membership numbers, I suspect there's alot more coming. I know this for this reason: me and a group of friends joined the PC party a while back, to try to sway the leadership vote towards a left-winger who seemed to have learned political speech from Donald Rumsfeld. He defined conservatism as protecting and improving free health-care, education, our independance from the US, from the FTAA and NAFTA, from unjust American wars. The guy, David Orchard, seemed to really believe this was conservatism. Whatever, I spoke to the guy and I can say he was socialist more than anything. The other candidates called him the "prairie bolshevik", cause he was a Saskathewan organic farmer. Yeah, so now that our job with the PC is done, we wanted to join the NDP and help with the new swell of support for taking the party leftwards.

They wouldn't let us in until our membership to the PC expired, a prerequisite the PC didn't have. So, I suspect alot of people are waiting for Liberal membership cards to get burned :P

[Guest1]

This story was written by the NDP's first leader and is flown proudly on their website (http://www.ndp.ca/):


The Story of Mouseland
Tommy Douglas, 1944

It's the story of a place called Mouseland. Mouseland was a place where all the little mice lived and played, were born and died. And they lived much the same as you and I do.

They even had a parliament. And every four years the had an election. Used to walk to the polls and cast their ballots. Some of them even got a ride to the polls. And got a ride for the next four years afterwards too. Just like you and me. And every time on election day all the little mice used to go to the ballot box and they used to elect a government. A government made up of big, fat, black cats.

Now if you think it strange that mice should elect a government made up of cats, you just look at the history of Canada for the last 90 years and maybe you'll see that they weren't any stupider then we are.

Now I'm not saying anything against the cats. They were nice fellows. They conducted their government with dignity. They passed good laws -- that is, laws that were good for cats. But the laws that were good for cats weren't very good for mice. One of the laws said that mouse holes had to be big enough so a cat could get his paw in. Another law said that mice could only travel at certain speeds -- so that a cat could get his breakfast without too much effort.

All the laws were good laws. For cats. But, oh, they were hard on the mice. And life was getting harder and harder. And when the mice couldn't put up with it any more, they decided that something had to be done about it. So they went en masse to the polls. They voted the black cats out. They put in the white cats.

Now the white cats had put up a terrific campaign. They said: "All that's Mouseland needs is more vision." They said: "The trouble with Mouseland is those round mouse holes we got. If you put us in we'll establish square mouse holes." And they did. And the square mouse holes were twice as big as the round mouse holes, and now the cat could get both paws in. And life was tougher then ever.

And when they couldn't take that anymore, they voted the white cats out and put the black one's in again. Then they went back to the white cats. Then to the black cats. They even tried half black and half white cats. And they called that coalition. They even got one government made up of cats with spots on them: they were cats that tried to make a noise like a mouse but ate like a cat.

You see, my friends, the trouble wasn't with the colour of the cat. The trouble was that they were cats. And because they were cats, they naturally looked after cats instead of mice.

Presently there came along one little mouse who had an idea. My friends, watch out for the little fellow with an idea. And he said to the other mice, "Look fellows, why do we keep electing a government made up of cats? Why don't we elect a government made up of mice?" "OH," they said, "he's a Bolshevik. Lock him up!" So they put him in jail.

But I want to remind you: That you can lock up a mouse or a man but you can't lock up an idea.

[hazard]

im waiting to see how martin pans out

im expecting a resurgence in all of the crown corporations because of this, and extra diligence on all non-government corporations because of his business background

just because he has a background in business does not necessarilly mean that he will turn his back on what the liberal party stands for

this is a modified free enterprise democracy after all

still, I think that JC should be PM for life. four more years Jean! what do ya say?

[Pete]

Paul Martin is from a business background, and his policies are more PC than they are Liberal at times. That is why their is all this 'caufuffle' about him. He is accepting PC's into the fold, whose presence will draw the party right, and so on down the line to the NDP ect.

Jean is the lesser of two evils, I mean he wasn't the one who is so roaring for power that he caused a major split in caucus and started campaigning a year or so before the convention. He is the powerhungry business man, and we don't need nor want him. His democratic reform isn't even an attempt at reform past drawing new electorial boundries and promoting back benchers to the cabniet. It doesn't touch the major issue that a party can win over 60% of the seats with 40% of the vote. He wouldn't change that, that is what keeps him in power and what got him there.

Election soon, so get those roots swellling to take down the Libs. ^_^ If the conservatives get a minority, they will have no one to form a coalition with, but the Lib's and NDP may be able to make ammends to part of their things, to keep Canada as close to the left as possible...

-Pete

[Al Creed]

In Ontario, we were supposed to have an NDP Opposition, but thanks to that pinhead liar, Dalton McGuinty making promises left and right, it was a Big, F'n Landslide for the Liberals. As well, there were still a few people who apparently ENJOYED The PC Taxcuts we experienced the last 8 years, and voted PC (my mom and her Boyfriend included :angry: )

And now, Ontario is gonna pay for it. ALready, Dalton is breaking promises.

I can't wait for the Federal Election. As soon as campaigning starts, Im volunteering my efforts to help the guy running under the NDP banner, in my area, Dave Christopherson.

[cormacobear]

I gew up in southern Alberta (the home of the right). And I beleive as you all do I have to cdonvince myself everyday not to run off to a commune. But someone has to fight. If the marijuana party and the enviornmental paries would join with the N.D.P. then they would not only lead as Canadas opposition choice but a real rival. and as much as I despise moving towards a fewer party system, it's our best chance to make things better

[cormacobear]

I've spoken to several of my high ranking friends in the Liberal pary, and they're not oppposewdto, and we should be fighting for"Proportional Representaion"

[Guest1]

we should be fighting for it, but concentrate on getting NDP as the opposition for this election. it would be incredible if we could. the NDP have made it a big mission of theirs to get proportional representation, so that's the best way to get it.

[Rasta Sapian]

I have heard that one of his first agenda's in office is to slim down the public workers (hiring freeze and reorganization) and cut spending to help balance corperate tax cuts on industry. He wants to spend more money on health care too! This may be hard with tax cuts, we will have to wait and see if he is a true liberal or a puppet.

[DeadMan]

Canada is America Jr. There is nothing we can do right now. We can wait until the next elections and hopefully a real gouvernment will go in and somehow restore the identity of 'Canadian'. But I can tell you one thing, if I ever live to see an US flag raised up our flag poles, you will see one hell of a pissed off rebel...

DeadMan.

[LiquidX]

I, as many other Canadians hate to see the American influence pressured onto to us, and now that Martin is in power it's only a matter of time before we become more and more Americanized. Hopefully Canadians will wake up and vote for the NDP because quite frankly I won't be able to live in a place like the USA. I think there are obviously some hard issues that we, as Canadians must tackle. But I think that Martin is going the wrong way...now obviously he has a bias towards businessmen and large corporations which I think is a really bad thing for a place like Canada. Id like to see what he does however...we're along for the ride whether we like it or not, so we may as well.

[Al Creed]

Originally posted by [email protected] 17 2003, 03:31 PM
But I can tell you one thing, if I ever live to see an US flag raised up our flag poles, you will see one hell of a pissed off rebel...


After 9/11, my mom taped a mini American flag to our mailbox. After a week of staring at the thing at disgust, I ripped it off, and said "The wind did it." The flag never went back on the mailbox;)

And I agree with you, cormaco. I think the fringe leftist parties should allign with the NDP, to take on the Liberals and the Federal Unorganized Conservative Party of Canada, I think its a very good idea. :)

And I will do everything in my own power, come election time, to fight the liberal influence, at least in my area. :)

[cormacobear]

Please explain to me platform differences between the Green party and the N.D.P.? And how if they're so similair can dividing the vote not be harmfull to Left minded Canadians?

[New Tolerance]

I think I heard that the Greens care about the market more. Is this the case?

[Felicia]

I dislike him aswell. <_<

[Guest1]

I&#39;m not sure if that&#39;s the case.

the greens tend to be a little bit less concerned with being elected here in canada. not so much the case in europe though. greens don&#39;t explicitly call themselves socialists. they don&#39;t talk about democratic socialism. where as the NDP is much more clear about being a socialist party. unfortunately, they&#39;re a little vague about it anyway. but still, their vision is a good one, and students are organizing a little bit of a push within the NDP, to the left :)

there&#39;s not really much splitting of the vote, trust me. the greens are about to reach 5%, and the NDP are way ahead. if the greens were able to elect at least one MP, they would act in unison with the NDP&#39;s dozen or so MP&#39;s, hopefully more than that this election. So they would actually help, rather than hinder. The NDP right now have little chance of overtaking the liberals, but can definitely win opposition. So really, if there&#39;s no race to prime minister for the NDP, vote splitting isn&#39;t that big of a deal yet. and if they were able to get near first place, and the greens had a significant number of MP&#39;s, like up 3 or 4, then the greens would probably throw their votes behind an NDP prime minister.

vote splitting, if you&#39;re on good terms with each other, is not a problem.

[cormacobear]

Oh well at least we got some good news today. He&#39;s going to push through the pot legeslation. I&#39;ll keep fighting for legalization, but De-criminalization is a start :D

[Jesus Christ]

Originally posted by RavenFan84+Dec 18 2003, 06:34 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (RavenFan84 @ Dec 18 2003, 06:34 PM)
[email protected] 17 2003, 03:31 PM
But I can tell you one thing, if I ever live to see an US flag raised up our flag poles, you will see one hell of a pissed off rebel...


After 9/11, my mom taped a mini American flag to our mailbox. After a week of staring at the thing at disgust, I ripped it off, and said "The wind did it." The flag never went back on the mailbox;)

And I agree with you, cormaco. I think the fringe leftist parties should allign with the NDP, to take on the Liberals and the Federal Unorganized Conservative Party of Canada, I think its a very good idea. :)

And I will do everything in my own power, come election time, to fight the liberal influence, at least in my area. :) [/b]
honestly, what Canadian puts up an American flag?
but im sure ure mom is a nice lady :)

[DeadMan]

Originally posted by Jesus Christ+Dec 20 2003, 12:48 AM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Jesus Christ @ Dec 20 2003, 12:48 AM)
[email protected] 18 2003, 06:34 PM

After 9/11, my mom taped a mini American flag to our mailbox. After a week of staring at the thing at disgust, I ripped it off, and said "The wind did it." The flag never went back on the mailbox;)

And I agree with you, cormaco. I think the fringe leftist parties should allign with the NDP, to take on the Liberals and the Federal Unorganized Conservative Party of Canada, I think its a very good idea. :)

And I will do everything in my own power, come election time, to fight the liberal influence, at least in my area. :)
honestly, what Canadian puts up an American flag?
but im sure ure mom is a nice lady :) [/b]
My dad worked for a US company until he got laid of cause he was costing the money too much. But on Sept. 12th, he was given a small american flag. On my birthday, he was laid off. I found the flag in his box of stuff. I grabbed it and with a few off my friends, we got drunk and watched it burn. I just felt like killing all those americans who had it so easy compared to us. But that anger fell away.

DeadMan.

[Pete]

The green party is less socialist than a wierd quasi anarchist federation... I started to read their constitution and platform. It is definitely left wing, based on environemnetal protection, decentralization, and parecon. I am thinking about joining up with them to see what I can do to push them left ^_~ It has a rather large (proportionately) student base and could easily make good use of that.

An exNDP leader is going to be running in my riding for the next Federal election.. going up against Paul Martin&#39;s friend,, Richard Mahoney. I think it will be a tough race, but with a riding full of students and public employees, I am pretty sure the liberals will loose as the NDP go on their class warfare routine: "Look who is cutting your jobs and giving them away to the private sector&#33; Look who is destroying you for a higher &#39;surplus&#39; that he will squander&#33; Look at his past experience as finiance minister, and you think we want his friend representing you? He wants to destroy you&#33;" *grins*

-Pete

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it&#39;s essential that he win that riding. you should hook up with the campaign office when campaigning starts, get the word out.