what are you plans for revolution in your contry?

[campesino]

what would be the steps to revolution of the proletariat in your country.

I live in the U.S.A

first would be to politicize the working class, with propaganda and discussing communism with them. currently they believe there is no alternative to capitalism. this must be grass roots, we will boycott the mainstream media and only espouse out message through the internet, local worker's publications, and meetings of organized(non-union workers)

second is organize, workers into existing socialist parties that exist under the yet to be created worker's coalition. Also increase IWW membership

third is form militias and arm the workers. the working class must be armed.(we won't espouse revolution, but working class power)

the time is right for this, huge swaths of the population are disillusioned and apathetic with republicans/conservatives democrats/liberals.
"we're not liberals, we're not conservatives we're workers"

I'm curious to what your ideas are?

[o well this is ok I guess]

make it up along the way

[bcbm]

1. lay in bed
2. close my eyes
3. sleep
4. dream

[Questionable]

Keep reading Marx and other theorists, understanding what the fuck I'm supposed to be doing before I try to leap into a revolution.

[wsg1991]

try some support from reforms , such as subsidies for basic supplies , return the public healthcare to it's former position , restore free education , create more jobs ,
repair the tax system

this basic ideas are popular enough in lower middle class and the poor , and can unite any leftists tribes

if such measures succeed , you can push for radical changes , as you gain enough trust to do more

[Comrade Jandar]

Unfortunately class consciousness is abysmally low in the United States that to speak of revolution is a little bit silly. However that is not to say that capitalism is by any means stable or strong right now. Things are falling apart, but not at a rate that will elicit revolutionary action out of the proletariat. I think it is the job of leftists to encourage this "falling apart," to accentuate the contradictions. How one is to do this I myself do not know. I have become increasingly disillusioned with mass organizations. My one prescription for the left in general is that a return to Marx's theory of alienation as being central to theory and practice would be immensely beneficial.

[Geiseric]

well at this point to create the base for a workers party, we need to fight for demands that the working class is fighting for, i.e. union rights in wisconsin, immigrants rights, making wages correspond with inflation, free healthcare, an end to all of the wars, and many other transitional demands that rise from the working class. At the point of crisis which seems like it's coming any month now, the demand for revolution comes out of the most advanced sections of the working class, which would constitute the "vanguard party," similar to the Jacobins in revolutionary france, the bolshevik party in 1917 russia, or the comintern parties that existed as the worldwide revolutionary vanguard untill about the mid 1920s.

[Omsk]

I will join the party with ulterior motives and than i will get all the power trough political games,than when we win the revolution against the old system i will violently suppress worker activity and than proceed to support a bulwark of bureaucrats which will be my own personal army, i will create huge pictures of myself and force the most briliant of the artists in the country to create novels,paintings,songs in honour to my greatness and revolutionary example! This phrase will replace "comrade" - ' Loyal desciple of Great Omsk ' Than i shall launch a peoples war at the bourgeois countries which i will use to make my dictatorship spread.




What..? You asked a silly question i gave you a silly answer. I would be nothing, as the collective and the party will be everything, individuality is and individualism are hostile.

[wsg1991]

but not at a rate that will elicit revolutionary action out of the proletariat. I think it is the job of leftists to encourage this "falling apart," to accentuate the contradictions. How one is to do this I myself do not know. I have become increasingly disillusioned with mass organizations. My one prescription for the left in general is that a return to Marx's theory of alienation as being central to theory and practice would be immensely beneficial.

accentuate this contradiction , if capitalist '' democracies '' falls apart , religious groups may took over , Fascist or Neo nazi groups , military dictatorships... will rise

this idea about accentuate contradiction is costly to working class , and takes little consideration to the life of millions of workers , because no real good alternative exists , it can just turn to total chaos

i hate this attitude of let the things go fuck up so revolutions happens

[aty]

Try to rebuild the swedish workers movement, a new one that is based on our class. To do this we have to first create a working class identity among the people, we have been trying to do that in the last 5 years and it is finally paying of and the debate about class is now one of the main political debates in Sweden, even mainstream.

First I think we need some "revolutionary reformism" here, instead of just talking about some abstract "revolution" that no one understands. We have to mobilize our class around reformist goals, such as the destruction of "staffing agencies", 6 hours working day, to abolish profits in the welfare system, stop the privatization etc.
These are all questions that have the potential to mobilize the class.

Then the class will see after a while that this path of reformism is dead. They cant have a welfare state inside capitalism anymore. The question will then be on everyones lips, why should we then have capitalism? The welfare state is holy in Sweden, if we cant have it then we cant have capitalism. This is the direction we socialists have to put forward.

[Comrade Jandar]

accentuate this contradiction , if capitalist '' democracies '' falls apart , religious groups may took over , Fascist or Neo nazi groups , military dictatorships... will rise

this idea about accentuate contradiction is costly to working class , and takes little consideration to the life of millions of workers , because no real good alternative exists , it can just turn to total chaos

i hate this attitude of let the things go fuck up so revolutions happens

It is a risky tactic. In the words of Rosa Luxemburg, it's either "socialism or barbarism." It's up to the workers to decide and there is no guarantee they will make the right decision.

[aty]

It is a risky tactic. In the words of Rosa Luxemburg, it's either "socialism or barbarism." It's up to the workers to decide and there is no guarantee they will make the right decision.
If you dont have a solid class movement in some way or another i would never try to bring the system down just to see what happens. If you cant overthrow capitalism the reaction will be reactionary and very damaging to the working class.

[wsg1991]

It is a risky tactic. In the words of Rosa Luxemburg, it's either "socialism or barbarism." It's up to the workers to decide and there is no guarantee they will make the right decision.

you have little respect for workers lives and living conditions and want to push for a very risky tactic .

fuck them they can just starve to death and die , as long as i can get my socialism done


i think Rosa meant ''socialism or Nazis''

[Comrade Jandar]

If you dont have a solid class movement in some way or another i would never try to bring the system down just to see what happens. If you cant overthrow capitalism the reaction will be reactionary and very damaging to the working class.

I'm not talking about actively "bringing down the system." I'm talking about the system falling apart on its accord without this necessarily being due to proletarian agitation. This has potentially both positive or negative consequences for the working class and social revolution.

[Comrade Jandar]

you have little respect for workers lives and living conditions and want to push for a very risky tactic .

fuck them they can just starve to death and die , as long as i can get my socialism done


i think Rosa meant ''socialism or Nazis''


No, you are misunderstanding me. I think we can all agree that capital and the state are decomposing, at least in their current manifestation. Obviously this can have negative consequences for the bourgeoisie, but also for the proletariat, especially in the age of the welfare state. The gilded cage that has been provided to the modern proletariat is weakening. This of course means a certain loss in material and economic stability, but more importantly it means that there is change for true emancipation.

Much of the work of the Left in the last century has been to construct the gilded cage, albeit unknowingly. And I'm not talking about reformists or social democrats exclusively. I'm referring to everyone from leninists to anarcho-syndicalists. My response is "fuck the cage" even if it means that in the short-term things will be rough and there is a chance that social revolution may not happen.

[campesino]

I will join the party with ulterior motives and than i will get all the power trough political games,than when we win the revolution against the old system i will violently suppress worker activity and than proceed to support a bulwark of bureaucrats which will be my own personal army, i will create huge pictures of myself and force the most briliant of the artists in the country to create novels,paintings,songs in honour to my greatness and revolutionary example! This phrase will replace "comrade" - ' Loyal desciple of Great Omsk ' Than i shall launch a peoples war at the bourgeois countries which i will use to make my dictatorship spread.




What..? You asked a silly question i gave you a silly answer. I would be nothing, as the collective and the party will be everything, individuality is and individualism are hostile.
I didn't mean individually, I mean what would your vision of the path of the proletariat to revolution be? I'm pretty sure the marxist-Leninist plan differs from my plan(once again not plans, that are to be followed to the letter, but general steps).


accentuate this contradiction , if capitalist '' democracies '' falls apart , religious groups may took over , Fascist or Neo nazi groups , military dictatorships... will rise

this idea about accentuate contradiction is costly to working class , and takes little consideration to the life of millions of workers , because no real good alternative exists , it can just turn to total chaos

i hate this attitude of let the things go fuck up so revolutions happens

this is why we need armed worker's militia's, the salafis in your coutry have weapons and riots, why not the working class.

weapons, radicalized labor > reforms to better the working class.

[Mista Commie]

Bombs. Lots of bombs. ;)

But seriously, I don't know what my plans are quite yet.

[Igor]

drink beer
smoke weed
take over the means of production
install dictatorship of the proletariat
drink beer

[Comrade Jandar]

drink beer
smoke weed
take over the means of production
install dictatorship of the proletariat
drink beer

Sounds like a fairly kush life. Though it's going to be difficult to seize the means of production high and drunk, no? Maybe you want to be sober on that day.

[Dennis the 'Bloody Peasant']

The ol' Hollywood blockbuster underdog makes good tactic; montages interspersed with belief.
Montages won't come off very well as it'll mean i'll have to do a tiny portion of one task then quickly move to another one for equally short period of time et cetera ad nauseum. The belief part is easy; just get disheartened and have some obscure character (old, wise, quite odd) give me a pep talk that makes me believe again.

...I'm open to other suggestions of course.

[Book O'Dead]

Sounds like a fairly kush life. Though it's going to be difficult to seize the means of production high and drunk, no? Maybe you want to be sober on that day.

And maybe you could call in sick and leave the grown-up work to us.