Eyewitness of the Houla massacre

[Prometeo liberado]

http://www.syrianews.cc/marat-musin-anna-news-syria-report-houla-707.html


This thing reeks of foreign money. Not really a surprise but disgusting none the less.

[Sasha]

http://www.amnesty.org.uk/news_details.asp?NewsID=20167

yeah yeah i know, amnesty is a imperialist mouth peace that cant be trusted (esp the the decent activist people i know that work there) contrary to your syrianews.cc that is hiding both its funding and its registar....

[Arlekino]

I think is important article. Make me sick.

Houla massacre carried out by Free Syrian Army, according to Frankfurter Allgemeine Zeitung
By Chris Marsden
13 June 2012
The May 25 Houla massacre was perpetrated by opposition forces aligned with the Free Syrian Army (FSA), according to Germany’s leading daily newspaper, Frankfurter Allgemeine Zeitung.
The report refutes the official account by the United States and other major powers and presented uncritically by the media. The massacre was attributed to pro-government forces and used to step up the propaganda offensive for military intervention against the regime of Bashar al-Assad. Without providing any serious evidence, the US and its allies claimed that either the Syrian Army or pro-government Shabiha militas carried out the mass killing of over 100 people.
The Frankfurter Allgemeine Zeitung on June 7 published a report from Damascus by Rainer Hermann, who based his article on investigations by oppositionists who visited the area and took eye-witness testimony. They largely confirm the account of the events in Houla given by the Assad government.
“Their findings contradict allegations of the rebels, who had blamed the Shabiha militias which are close to the regime”, Hermann wrote, adding, “As oppositionists rejecting the use of force have been killed or at least threatened lately, the oppositionists did not want to see their names mentioned.”
The massacre took place after Friday prayers and began with an attack by Sunni “rebels” on three Syrian army checkpoints around Houla. “The checkpoints are designed to protect the Alawite villages around the mostly Sunni Houla”, the German daily reported.
Reinforcements were sent by the Syrian Army and fighting went on for 90 minutes, during which “dozens of soldiers and rebels were killed.”
It was during these exchanges that the three villages of Houla were blocked off from the outside world. The Frankfurter Allgemeine Zeitung wrote: “According to eyewitnesses, the massacre took place during this time. Among the dead were almost exclusively families of the Alawite and Shia minorities of Houla, the population of which is made up of 90 percent Sunnis. Several dozen members of a family that had converted in recent years from the Sunni faith to Shia Islam were slaughtered. Also among the dead were members of the Alawite family Shomaliya and the family of a Sunni member of parliament who was regarded as a collaborator.”
The report continued: “Immediately after the massacre, the offenders are said to have filmed their victims, calling them Sunni victims, and distributed the videos via the Internet.”
This account is a devastating refutation of the propaganda campaign waged by Washington, London and Paris, with the aid of the Syrian National Council, the Syrian Observatory for Human Rights and a pliant Western media.
On the day of the attacks, United Nations Secretary-General Ban Ki-moon, without evidence, condemned the Syrian government’s “unacceptable levels of violence and abuses”, including the use of heavy weapons on civilian populations.
The regime noted that the massacre was timed to coincide with the visit of UN envoy Kofi Annan to Damascus. It charged that the mass killings were carried out to undermine the ceasefire Annan had negotiated. Soon after, the FSA, which is now accused of carrying out the massacre, said it would no longer respect the Annan peace plan. New demands for military intervention came thick and fast.
The Frankfurter Allgemeine Zeitung article is given additional weight by a report in Spiegel Online from March 29 pointing to the widespread practice of summary execution carried out by the FSA. Spiegel interviewed a member of an opposition “burial brigade” who had “executed four men by slitting their throats.”
His victims included a Shiite soldier in the Syrian army, who had “been beaten into a confession.”
The burial brigade kill and “leave torture to others; that’s what the so-called interrogation brigade is for”, Spiegel wrote.
That report noted that whereas an admitted 150 Syrian army prisoners have been executed, “the executioners of Homs have been busier with traitors within their own ranks.”
“If we catch a Sunni spying, or if a citizen betrays the revolution, we make it quick”, one oppositionist explained. “According to Abu Rami, Hussein’s burial brigade has put between 200 and 250 traitors to death since the beginning of the uprising.”
Also of immediate relevance are reports on the web site of the Monastery of St. James the Mutilated in Qara, Syria. On April 1, Mother Agnès-Mariam de la Croix wrote of an incident in the Khalidiya neighborhood in Homs in which the FSA gathered Christian and Alawite hostages in a building and blew it up. They then blamed the Syrian army.
“The Al Amoura family in Al Durdak village, in the Homs area, was exterminated by Wahhabi terrorists. Forty-one people from this family had their throats slit in one day”, she also reported.
Agnès-Mariam stated that of Homs’ one million inhabitants, two thirds of the population had fled, including over 90 percent of Christians, due to the activities of “snipers and acts of criminal aggression” against “the Alawite and Christian minorities, Shiites, and many ‘moderate’ Muslims who did not choose to participate in dissident activity.”
She wrote that in numerous sectarian attacks “... people were mutilated, their throats slit, disembowelled, cut up, thrown in street corners or trash cans. They did not stop at shooting children at point-blank range to create distress and despair, as was the case with the young Sari, the nephew of our stonecutter. Such horrific acts were then exploited in the media to put responsibility on government forces.”
Even without such corroborative accounts, the silence of the world’s media on the Frankfurter Allgemeine Zeitung report is extraordinary. The Frankfurter Allgemeine Zeitung is a respected, indeed conservative, publication, with a circulation in the hundreds of thousands and a daily readership in 148 countries. Yet no major newspaper took up its report, because they are all complicit in the dissemination of naked propaganda. There is literally nothing in the reports of the mainstream Western media that can be taken as good coin.
The most important question posed by the Frankfurter Allgemeine Zeitung report, however, is what role was played in the massacre by the United States itself. Clearly, given its own extensive contacts with the Free Syrian Army, and the political, financial and military backing for the FSA by Washington’s regional allies—Saudi Arabia, Qatar and Turkey—the Obama administration will have been well aware that the massacre was the work of anti-regime insurgents and not the Syrian army, even as Secretary of State Hillary Clinton and others called for additional action to be taken to depose Assad.
It is entirely possible that Houla was a massacre made in the USA.
US policy in Syria has from the start been based on the whipping up of a Sunni-based sectarian insurgency, with the aim of destabilising and deposing Assad’s Alawite regime. This, in turn, is linked to US preparations for a military attack on Iran, which would be further isolated in the Middle East with the demise of Assad, its major ally in the region.
With the experience of Bosnia and Kosovo to draw upon, this was done not merely in the certain knowledge that bloody internecine fighting would result, but with the intention of provoking civil conflict in order to provide a pretext for military intervention in humanitarian guise.
On Monday, State Department spokeswoman Victoria Nuland expressed her “concern” about reports that the regime “may be organising another massacre” in Latakia province. “People will be held accountable”, she warned.
US Secretary of State Hillary Clinton escalated the crisis Tuesday, accusing Russia of sending attack helicopters to the Assad regime and charging Moscow with lying about its arms shipments.
The head of UN peace keeping operations, meanwhile, became the first United Nations official to describe the Syrian conflict as a civil war, and British Foreign Secretary William Hague, referring to the massacres at Houla and al-Qubair, denounced the Syrian government for committing “grotesque crimes.”
http://www.wsws.org/articles/2012/jun2012/syri-j13.shtml

[REDSOX]

Proves my point about these rebels. These rebels are no guevaraists, sandanistas or fidelistas. More like the fucking contras

[Lynx]

How many people have been killed since this conflict began?
Who should be blamed for the majority of these deaths?

[Sasha]

Proves my point about these rebels. These rebels are no guevaraists, sandanistas or fidelistas. More like the fucking contras

except that these claims have been debunked ages ago, all surviving witnesses put the blame firmly on the regime loyal shabiha militias.
Since allmost all the victims where Sunni and the town before the massacre was for extended time under rebel control thats also the only option that makes sense, say what you want about al-qaida but false flag attacks on fellow Sunni are not really their style (dont have to either for provoking a sektarian civilwar, butcher enough shia and retaliation will follow anyway as we have seen in iraq)
Yes, assaults on alawi/shia villages have been taking place, but contra the regimes ones these have been isolated, dwarfed by the atrocities of the military and the shabiba, mostly perpetrated by unaligined nomads seizing on the chaos to settle long running land conflicts and honor/blood fueds, and contra the regime the LCC'S actively speak out against retaliation killings and sectarian conflict.
Your just another deluded dictatorship cheerleader that will end up on the wrong side of history.

[Sasha]

How many people have been killed since this conflict began?
Who should be blamed for the majority of these deaths?

Since lack of independent conformation make accurate assessments dificult the wiki article for a chance is as good as any; http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Casualties_of_the_Syrian_civil_war
Seemd that the oposition inflates the numbers by including killed non-defector armed rebels and regime loyal shabiha in the civilan bodycount but even the most conservative estinates put the number on thousands, most by far protesters and massacared civs of oposition strongholds.
Also thoudands inc hundreds of kids got arrested, tortured and often disapeared.

[La Guaneña]

Well, you got the foreign "rebels" killing civilians on one side. Assad also has his share. Future lookin' so bright for the syrian people they have to wear shades.

[Sasha]

Well, you got the foreign "rebels" killing civilians on one side. Assad also has his share. Future lookin' so bright for the syrian people they have to wear shades.

You know a grand total of about 30 confirmed foreigners have been killed on those 20 to 30 thousand dead right? Either these guys are invincible or maybe the more logical explaination is that there are no or next to none foreigers involved in the conflict.

[La Guaneña]

You know a grand total of about 30 confirmed foreigners have been killed on those 20 to 30 thousand dead right? Either these guys are invincible or maybe the more logical explaination is that there are no or next to none foreigers involved in the conflict.

I stand corrected, I expressed myself in a bad way.

The thick layers of the rebel forces probably are syrian, since exporting a whole army into another country isn't exactly a simple task, especially without drawing attention.

But the whole siding with Israel thing and making the Houla massacre look like an Assad thing to fuel foreign intervention... Well, makes it look a lot like it's not the interests of the syrian people that their commanders hold.

[Sasha]

I stand corrected, I expressed myself in a bad way.

The thick layers of the rebel forces probably are syrian, since exporting a whole army into another country isn't exactly a simple task, especially without drawing attention.

But the whole siding with Israel thing and making the Houla massacre look like an Assad thing to fuel foreign intervention... Well, makes it look a lot like it's not the interests of the syrian people that their commanders hold.

nah, the bulk of the money and training for the FSA and the SNC comes from qatar, turkey and saudi-arabia, israel wanted to keep assad in place as they scared as fuck that in the chaos his chemical weapons will end up with hezbollah or al-qaida.
geo-pollitics are difficult/intricate and dirty.

and again, houla was 99.99% surely perpetrated by a assad loyal alawi millitia out of the alawi villages surrounding houla. probably a revenge action for a attack by the FSA on a military checkpoint where some locals got killed, do i think assad/the military order it? no, did they consiously allowed the millitia through their checkpoints into town, knowing full well what would happen, absolutely.
pretty similair actually to how the israeli IDF was responsible for sabra and shatila (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sabra_and_Shatila_massacre) even when they didnt do the killing themselves (and to further proof how dirty the geo-political scheming in that area can become and the utter failure of symplistic "anti-imp" cheerleading, in those lebanese masacres the israeli army worked together with an lebanese christian dominated fascist militia who sought revange for the murder of their leader by what they though where the palestinians but turned out to be a millitia led by the syrian SSNP, a assad loyal party).

[The Douche]

except that these claims have been debunked ages ago, all surviving witnesses put the blame firmly on the regime loyal shabiha militias.
Since allmost all the victims where Sunni and the town before the massacre was for extended time under rebel control thats also the only option that makes sense, say what you want about al-qaida but false flag attacks on fellow Sunni are not really their style (dont have to either for provoking a sektarian civilwar, butcher enough shia and retaliation will follow anyway as we have seen in iraq)
Yes, assaults on alawi/shia villages have been taking place, but contra the regimes ones these have been isolated, dwarfed by the atrocities of the military and the shabiba, mostly perpetrated by unaligined nomads seizing on the chaos to settle long running land conflicts and honor/blood fueds, and contra the regime the LCC'S actively speak out against retaliation killings and sectarian conflict.
Your just another deluded dictatorship cheerleader that will end up on the wrong side of history.

Just as a note, "al-quaeda in Iraq" (an organization related to, but not synonymous with al-quaeda) did regularly conduct false flag attacks on civilians.

[cynicles]

I'm suspicious of the claims of Hezbollah and Iranian soldiers being amongst Assad's forces since the article that wikipedia links to has no source and the over reliance on activists and Skype for reporting. In spite of nasrallah's stupid sectarian support for Assad I doubt he would provoke at that level given the fact he's been keeping his own people on a tighter leash in Lebanon since the conflict started.