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RedCloud
10th June 2012, 12:06
I'm not sure if there is an area dedicated to computers. I see a website section but this is not website related. So, sorry if there was another section I didn't see that this should have gone in, but I'm sure you techies as well as non-techies will rage over this as well...

"Lockdown: free/open OS maker pays Microsoft ransom for the right to boot on users' computers"

More of Microsoft's monopoly threatening the open source, GNU/Linux and Unix communities!

"At issue is a new facility called UEFI, which allows a computer's bootloader to distinguish between different operating systems by examining their cryptographic signatures. In theory, this can be used to alert you if malicious software has modified your OS, putting you at risk of having your passwords harvested, your video and sound secretly captured, and your files plundered. But rather than simply alerting users to unsigned or changed OSes Microsoft and its partners have elected to require a very complex and intimidating process that -- by design or accident -- is certain to scare off most unsophisticated users."

Ridiculous!

Fedora's Matthew Garrett explains their decision:

We've been working on this for months. This isn't an attractive solution, but it is a workable one. We came to the conclusion that every other approach was unworkable. The cause of free software isn't furthered by making it difficult or impossible for unskilled users to run Linux, and while this approach does have its downsides it does also avoid us ending up where we were in the 90s. Users will retain the freedom to run modified software and we wouldn't have accepted any solution that made that impossible.

But is this a compromise? Of course. There's already inequalities between Fedora and users - trademarks prevent the distribution of the Fedora artwork with modified distributions, and much of the Fedora infrastructure is licensed such that some people have more power than others. This adds to that inequality. It's not the ideal outcome for anyone, and I'm genuinely sorry that we weren't able to come up with a solution that was better. This isn't as bad as I feared it would be, but nor is it as good as I hoped it would be.

What about ARM

Microsoft's certification requirements for ARM machines forbid vendors from offering the ability to disable secure boot or enrol user keys. While we could support secure boot in the same way as we plan to on x86, it would prevent users from running modified software unless they paid money for a signing key. We don't find that acceptable and so have no plans to support it.

Thankfully this shouldn't be anywhere near as much of a problem as it would be in the x86 world. Microsoft have far less influence over the ARM market, and the only machines affected by this will be the ones explicitly designed to support Windows. If you want to run Linux on ARM then there'll be no shortage of hardware available to you.

http://boingboing.net/2012/05/31/lockdown-freeopen-os-maker-p.html

He doesn't 'want them returning to what they were in the 90s'. However, Linux has been continuously growing since the 2000s and has definitely been getting much more recognition. What is this going to do? Scare off people who won't know how to mod their system and use this workaround, once again bringing back the negative connotations that everything has to be modded, manually input via CLI interface just to run things and is completely user-unfriendly in every way in Linux.

This will only hinder Linux's progress as Microsoft will now own "rights" to what software is used on the users' home computers that have a deal with Microsoft (which is almost all of them except Apple and System76, since they come with OS X and Linux).

BUT I do believe Linus Torvalds will still have final say in this, as it is directly related to new usage of the Linux kernel? I could be wrong there though.

Sea
14th June 2012, 02:11
Chances that they'll get sued out the wazoo for this?

I'm not a big expert on antitrust laws (or their loopholes), but maybe someone could shed some light?

edit: I wonder if this will apply to server versions of windows? Seeing as how virtualized servers are so common and all.


BUT I do believe Linus Torvalds will still have final say in this, as it is directly related to new usage of the Linux kernel? I could be wrong there though.
I doubt it, seeing as how Linux is released under the GPL.

The Idler
16th June 2012, 19:10
How is this news? Big software companies such as Microsoft and their army of lawyers have threatened and bullied other software companies into legal submission to signing settlements for years now. Legal threats are big part of what they do, its more important than innovation or making the computer experience better. The days of big software companies mainly developing better software are over, lock-down platforms, users and content is the new trend. The US will tolerate it, EU might object.

workerist
16th June 2012, 19:38
this is worrying because most people will probably tolerate it since Linux is still very niche and too complicated for the average user. each iteration of windows gets worse too, but the linux distos i tried were just not user friendly enough. hopefully windows 8 flops hard so more people will start looking into linux or mac os.

RedCloud
20th June 2012, 05:28
I doubt it, seeing as how Linux is released under the GPL.

Linux's official changes still come back to Linus for approval, GPL or not... But in this situation I'm not so sure.


How is this news? Big software companies such as Microsoft and their army of lawyers have threatened and bullied other software companies into legal submission to signing settlements for years now. Legal threats are big part of what they do, its more important than innovation or making the computer experience better. The days of big software companies mainly developing better software are over, lock-down platforms, users and content is the new trend. The US will tolerate it, EU might object.

Well, it's not surprising, I'm sure Micro$oft is loving the idea of this... It's just that one of the heads of the distro companies basically just sold Linux over to Micro$oft.

And Linux users like me will get screwed if I decide to buy an entirely new system in the future. I will basically have to buy it from a Linux company, which isn't totally bad, but the only one I know of is System 76.

Somewhat related: http://www.wired.com/gadgetlab/2012/06/opinion-apple-retina-displa/


... Apple delivered the highly anticipated MacBook Pro with Retina Display — and the tech world is buzzing. I took one apart yesterday because I run iFixit, a team responsible for high-resolution teardowns of new products and DIY repair guides. We disassemble and analyze new electronic gizmos so you don’t have to — kind of like an internet version of Consumer Reports.

The Retina MacBook is the least repairable laptop we’ve ever taken apart: Unlike the previous model, the display is fused to the glass, which means replacing the LCD requires buying an expensive display assembly. The RAM is now soldered to the logic board — making future memory upgrades impossible. And the battery is glued to the case, requiring customers to mail their laptop to Apple every so often for a $200 replacement...

With ideas like this, combined with selling bootable rights, you will not have an option for a new OS, new apps/software, etc.

MrCool
20th June 2012, 06:20
So this bootlocker is limited only to pre-build systems? So it would not affect self-build systems?

Last time i checked, when you buy a pre-build computer with Windows, you only buy the physical computer. You newer "own" Windows, you only paid a license to use it. So if a system is bootlocked, you need to own the OS the computer uses. (Atleast according to Finnish Intellectual Property laws)

And on another note, the warez scene can bypass it in no time. If you look hard enough through "the interwebs", you'll find guides to bypass every bootlocker ever made.

RedCloud
21st June 2012, 16:54
Well, it says it will use UEFI to not allow the OS to be changed... So the way I understand it is that systems which come with Windows ("Windows and it's partners", according to the article) will be locked out from installing new systems... i.e. Ones that you buy at the store that come with Windows/companies sponsored by Windows.

I'm sure it could be bypassed, as it mentions that in the article, it says it's very complex, and users who want to (say people who want to try a new OS) may not be able to... And I believe, therefore, hindering Linux's user base and installations. And for people who already use Linux/Unix, like me, will just have to go through a bunch of extra steps. I would rather not have to mod my BIOS interface just to boot in to my OS. :thumbdown: