Pentagon Meddles in Hollywood Scriptwriting

[ВАЛТЕР]

This doesn't surprise me.

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[Qavvik]

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[Zav]

This has been going on since before the days of Chaplin. In fact, it has been going on since the country was founded, albeit with different mediums, as it has in every country ever. The government censors and influences popular entertainment? How shocking.

[Psy]

That guy knows just as much about the Constitution as your typical Tea Party member. The military is a government institution in the U.S., it does not, under the Constitution, have the obligation to promote speech both for and against it, particularly in a time of war. In fact, countless cases heard before the Supreme Court have confirmed the ability of the government to limit potentially damaging speech during a time of war. They do not have the duty to give every single filmmaker access to the big guns for their movies. He just seems angry that they said no to him, and the clip just stinks of Moscow.

#stupidbourgeoispolitics

The Japanese Self-Defense Force refused to cooperate with G.I. Samurai yet G.I. Samurai still became a huge block buster in Japan making military support to films seems not a big deal.

[Hexen]

Let's not forget that Hollywood's first blockbuster was essentially a KKK propaganda film.

Well the truth is we live in a western capitalist imperialist block and the films made there reflects the capitalist paradigm as I was trying to explain in this thread (http://www.revleft.com/vb/western-vs-soviet-t169990/index.html?t=169990).

Although I will say once again though, RT is the Fox News of Russia.

[X5N]

I tend to take anything RT reports with a grain of salt, but I've heard this from elsewhere, so this is one case where RT isn't bullshitting.

Hollywood sucks anyways. So, look at all the fucks I give!

[homegrown terror]

it's happened all throughout time, just like how athens censored aeschelus, and parliament would censor shakespeare. governments know that a lot of people listen to entertainment more than facts, so they attempt to make entertainment reflect the "facts" they want it to. nothing new here.

[Hexen]

it's happened all throughout time, just like how athens censored aeschelus, and parliament would censor shakespeare. governments know that a lot of people listen to entertainment more than facts, so they attempt to make entertainment reflect the "facts" they want it to. nothing new here.

Well actually the government is not it's own entity but who rather controls it which are currently the Bourgeoisie (Capitalism) and the past it was the Royal Families/The Church (Feudalism).

Under socialism, the government will be under control by the workers.

[piet11111]

Anyone that has ever seen a micheal bay movie knows this to be true.

[x359594]

Moved to Literature and Films.

[homegrown terror]

Well actually the government is not it's own entity but who rather controls it which are currently the Bourgeoisie (Capitalism) and the past it was the Royal Families/The Church (Feudalism).

Under socialism, the government will be under control by the workers.

i've always seen the state and capital as being intertwined in their schemes. the state can't have power without money, provided by corporations. corporations can't steal money without muscle, provided by the state. in my view they're both equally evil, and both must be vanquished before people can truly be free.

[Jimmie Higgins]

I tend to take anything RT reports with a grain of salt, but I've heard this from elsewhere, so this is one case where RT isn't bullshitting.Yes, I've heard this for a while - the military "offers" use of expensive military gear by filmmakers in exchange for script approval and rewrite abilities!

I think one of the "Hulk" movies actually rejected the use of military equipment because the military wanted the Army to not be the ones to chase the Hulk - which was sort of the entire plot of the movie!

Companies that sell consumer products make these kinds of deals all the time, but I don't think they have enough clout to demand rewrites, but they probably have things in the contract that say, "make sure only the cool characters drink this".

[Rafiq]

Anyone that has ever seen a micheal bay movie knows this to be true.

I've always thought micheal bay was a piece of shit.

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[brigadista]

recent case in point - the truly dire Battleship -the whole film was like a long turgid recruitment film

[piet11111]

I've always thought micheal bay was a piece of shit.

Meh his movies are reasonable when you have a ton of beer and snacks.

[Psy]

Yes, I've heard this for a while - the military "offers" use of expensive military gear by filmmakers in exchange for script approval and rewrite abilities!

Yet such support is unnecessary, most action schlock of the 70's and 80's didn't bother with military support and relied on tricks of film making when they wanted to put armies (mostly miniatures, stock footage and full size props). For example the makers of G.I. Samurai got their hands on a helicopter with no support support for the Japanese government and simply repainted the civilian helicopter they were able borrow.


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Really film makers have gotten lazy, forgetting you can easily trick the audience with good cinematography thus there really is no need for help from the military.

[x359594]

...the truly dire Battleship -the whole film was like a long turgid recruitment film

Sam Fuller who was a WWII combat veteran always evaluated a war movie by the following criterion: if it was a recruitment film, it was a lie. His own war movies (The Steel Helmet, Fixed Bayonets, Merrall's Marauders, The Big Red One) were anything but recruitment films.

[Red Future]

I remember the Transformers films having such a blasé pro-imperialist message it was funny almost how propagandistic it was.

Michael Bay might as well make US Army recruitment videos.

[Jimmie Higgins]

I remember the Transformers films having such a blasé pro-imperialist message it was funny almost how propagandistic it was.

Michael Bay might as well make US Army recruitment videos.

There's plenty of successful people whose sucess makes me begin to question my own sanity. Fred Durst being one - really people thought that was good and didn't ROFL every time he opened his mouth. Time has corrected what all the PR efforts of MTV and the music industry tried so hard to legitimize.

But anyway when there is someone whose work I just don't like but they get all sorts of kudos for it, and then it turns out that the person is just a horrible person I do get some righteous enjoyment from it. People were always talking about how deep Frank Miller's work was, how gritty and I always thought, this isn't gritty or deep, it's just misanthropic... well after I found out he was a horrid right-winger, all was fine with the world again and everything made sense. Michael Bay is in that category.

Michael Bay is so horrible that he makes Megan Fox seem like a decent human and almost a fighter for our side (unintentionally). She's basically been black-listed for complaining about how Bay treated her as a sex-object and explicitly told her that she was only there for her body and he threatened her for complaining about it! Then he replaced her with a lingerie model, just in case anyone thought that Fox was making it up. And Bey gets REWARDED for this kind of shit.

I'm a hypocrite though I guess because it doesn't work both ways - the work is the determining thing, if someone's a hack and they're a great person then I'm happy they are using their fame or position for decent things, but they are still a hack. Hitchcock also essentially ruined a female star's career who rejected his advances... that makes him a shitty person and a sexist and a horrible abuser of his hierarchical position, but his movies are still more than worth watching. Oh well, fucking capitalism. Movies will be much better when they are made by a "troupe" who are all giving creative input rather than the commodity films of today where the money-men get the ultimate creative say.

[Os Cangaceiros]

I remember reading that Francis Ford Coppola tried to get the Pentagon to help with "Apocalypse Now", but the military didn't like the way the film portrayed the armed forces (no suprise) and declined, so FFC had to get military equipment on loan from the military of the Phillipines, where AN was being shot, and the shooting schedule kept getting delayed because the government kept using his equipment to go fight rebels in the jungle.

Just a bit of trivia related to the topic.

[piet11111]

I remember the Transformers films having such a blasé pro-imperialist message it was funny almost how propagandistic it was.

Michael Bay might as well make US Army recruitment videos.

I liked the giant robot tearing through that US Army base those bits where fun to me.

[o well this is ok I guess]

Let's not forget that Hollywood's first blockbuster was essentially a KKK propaganda film. The fight scenes were real cool tho

[TheGodlessUtopian]

I liked the giant robot tearing through that US Army base those bits where fun to me.

The part where a aircraft carrier was destroyed was particularly nice.