Libertarian=Anarchist?

[Ready4Revolution]

Generally, when one hears "libertarian socialism" or "libertarian communism" it refers to to anarchism. But, in my group of leftist friends, one of my friends is a libcom who wants to maintain a sort of minarchist state.
Have any of you had any experience with such an idealogy?

[Zav]

Libertarian Socialism (and Communism) encompasses a wide range of ideologies, including Libertarian Marxism, Democratic Socialism (sometimes), Anarcho-Syndicalism, Anarcho-Communism, Green Anarchism, and many others. Many people in that range want a minarchist State, and are thus not Anarchists. Some people just identify as Libertarian Communist.

[NewLeft]

Libertarian Socialism (and Communism) encompasses a wide range of ideologies, including Libertarian Marxism, Democratic Socialism (sometimes), Anarcho-Syndicalism, Anarcho-Communism, Green Anarchism, and many others. Many people in that range want a minarchist State, and are thus not Anarchists. Some people just identify as Libertarian Communist.
Why would a libertarian support a bourgeois state, minimal or otherwise? :confused:

[Sea]

Contemporary libertarians are usually very much supporters of a market economy (hint hint).

[o well this is ok I guess]

OP is asking what one would call a left-wing minarchist
And uh
I dunno, I think left-minarchist would do.

[x359594]

Contemporary libertarians are usually very much supporters of a market economy (hint hint).

It's worth noting that the term "libertarian" was appropriated by the political right in the late 1960s to designate a return to laissez-faire capitalism.

In the late 19th century "libertarian" was attached to socialism to distinguish an anti-authoritarian iteration of socialism, the anarchist formulation (pace Bakunin) in opposition to authoritarian socialism attributed to Marx and his followers. In other words, libertarianism of the left began its life as a polemical idea in answer to what Marx and Engels called "utopian socialism" (they called their version "scientific socialism.")

[Tim Cornelis]

There are certain "guild socialists" (in essence syndicalists) who want to retain a minimal state to protect people from abuse. These included Samuel George Hobson and Bertrand Russel. They could be considered libertarian socialists as well.

[Revolution starts with U]

Nothing wrong with that, really. People almost never agree totally with the tendency they identify with.

[ed miliband]

There are certain "guild socialists" (in essence syndicalists) who want to retain a minimal state to protect people from abuse. These included Samuel George Hobson and Bertrand Russel. They could be considered libertarian socialists as well.

hmm, i think the guild socialist tradition belongs in the utopian socialist camp more than anything. it was also firmly embedded in the labour party (really... it had not existence outside of it), which imo at least, makes it the antithesis of libertarian socialism. yeah, it might aim towards a "minimal state", but it's methods of reaching that end are deeply reformist and top-down.

i mean, that should be obvious for anything with such a close link to fabianism.