So beings the racism.

[pastradamus]

Dutch players were the victims of racist abuse at the hands of Polish white nationalists during a recent training session. Hollands black players were the victims of monkey chants and other abuse. When Holland went to UEFA their complaints fell on the deaf ears of UEFA's most imfamously ignorant director Michel Platini.


Another theory that has been put forward is that Wisla's supporters did not want their stadium being used by anyone but their own club and were simply booing the Dutch players.Van Bommel, however, responded angrily when it was put to him not everyone had heard monkey noises. "You need to open your ears," he said. "If you did hear it, and don't want to hear it, that is even worse."


Fair play to Van Bommel, he's standing up for his team mates and standing up against racism. Thats a proper captain and role model for kids.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/football/2012/jun/07/euro-2012-holland-racist-abuse

Posted this at the end of another thread but felt I'd highlight the issue in a new thread.

[Dennis the 'Bloody Peasant']

That kind of monkey chanting makes me fucking sick...it's just a game, let the players play it and leave your digusting attitudes at home.
Fair play to the captain.

[pastradamus]

That kind of monkey chanting makes me fucking sick...it's just a game, let the players play it and leave your digusting attitudes at home.
Fair play to the captain.

Exactly. Thats it in a nutshell. There are also reports that 50 English and a few Russian Fans were attacked inside a pub in Lodz by Polish Hooligans. The reports come from the Daily mail and the people quoted in the article are described as "onlookers" - a word I never trust. I shall wait for a more substantial news source to publish something about that before presenting it as information.

[Dennis the 'Bloody Peasant']

Exactly. Thats it in a nutshell. There are also reports that 50 English and a few Russian Fans were attacked inside a pub in Lodz by Polish Hooligans. The reports come from the Daily mail and the people quoted in the article are described as "onlookers" - a word I never trust. I shall wait for a more substantial news source to publish something about that before presenting it as information.

Always be suspiscious of the Daily Mail as a source of anything other than middle-class bile.
This is fixing to be a very interesting tournament..in a very depressing and 'oh for fuck sake' sense.

[pastradamus]

Always be suspiscious of the Daily Mail as a source of anything other than middle-class bile.
This is fixing to be a very interesting tournament..in a very depressing and 'oh for fuck sake' sense.

Yeah comrade. That place is supposed to be ten times worse than English hooliganism during the 80's.

[Tifosi]

Always be suspiscious of the Daily Mail as a source of anything other than middle-class bile.
This is fixing to be a very interesting tournament..in a very depressing and 'oh for fuck sake' sense.

Well the Russia one is true. Around 50 LKS Lodz guys attacked CSKA Moscow guys, don't know who came out on top or anything. Russians were also attacked in Krakow but cops were all over it. Everyone knows Poland and Russia have a troubled history and both sides fancy themselves in a fight. Expect a lot more...

Don't know if the English story if true or not. I heard they were drinking with Irish fans when Poles attacked. Would English and Irish mix like this? I doubt it.

Reports of Italians getting attacked to in Poland.

http://a2.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc6/s720x720/179287_424787417551530_1872127240_n.jpg

[Dennis the 'Bloody Peasant']

And look at UEFA leap into action...

Uefa has confirmed there were "isolated incidents of racist chanting" aimed at Netherlands players during an open training session.
But the governing body has not revealed whether it is investigating the incident in Krakow, Poland.
Captain Mark van Bommel said monkey chants were aimed at team-mates.
"Should such behaviour happen at further training sessions, Uefa would evaluate the operational measures to be taken to protect players," Uefa said

(BBC News)

[pastradamus]

And look at UEFA leap into action...

Uefa has confirmed there were "isolated incidents of racist chanting" aimed at Netherlands players during an open training session.
But the governing body has not revealed whether it is investigating the incident in Krakow, Poland.
Captain Mark van Bommel said monkey chants were aimed at team-mates.
"Should such behaviour happen at further training sessions, Uefa would evaluate the operational measures to be taken to protect players," Uefa said

(BBC News)

Fucking scumbags. Michel Platini went off saying that these guys were only there to protest that the competition wasn't been held in Krakow. What a Sub-par human being that guy is.

[pastradamus]

Don't know if he English story if true or not. I heard they were drinking with Irish fans when Poles attacked. Would English and Irish mix like this? I doubt it.


Yeah why not? The Irish fans are reknowned for their good behaviour. We go to foreign matches for "the craic" which basically entails that we Drink heavily and sing a lot. There's never violence from Irish fans and FIFA even gave the Irish Fan club a "supporters of the year" award a few years back. There was only ever two incidents of violence against the Irish supporters, one was when English hooligans ripped up landsdown road and threw seats and metal down upon the Irish fans in 1995. The other time was when we played Russia in Moscow and Neo-Nazi's attacked a pub the Irish fans were drinking in. The Irish fans fought off the onslaught and barricaded themselves inside the pub.

We understand that the English that did that nasty stuff in Landsdowne Road all those years ago were Hooligans and not real England fans, so yeah, I've heard of us drinking with them back in Korea/Japan WC so its not impossible.

[Terminator X]

Platini is simply a mouthpiece for Blatter, who wants guys to shake hands and make up after racist incidents. They have their heads so far up their asses, it's really embarrassing for world football that these two guys are in charge. As long as Blatter retains control, FIFA/UEFA will turn a blind eye to racism.

[pastradamus]

Platini is simply a mouthpiece for Blatter, who wants guys to shake hands and make up after racist incidents. They have their heads so far up their asses, it's really embarrassing for world football that these two guys are in charge. As long as Blatter retains control, FIFA/UEFA will turn a blind eye to racism.

Spot on, spot on. Blatters only contribution in 30 years of FIFA was that awful "silver goal" rule as it were. Platini disapointed me greatly as UEFA head. He promised a strong stance against racism and its rampant these days (almost as bad, if not worse than it was in the 90's) and also promised greater funding for underdeveloped leagues and clubs. I dont know of any club here in Ireland that has recieved FIFA/UEFA funding and our league is so underdeveloped that we are forced to sell any half decent player we have to England and Scotland to simply keep the club afloat. The non-profit organisation made €190m profit in 2010. They are both a joke.

[Terminator X]

Speaking of Irish clubs, what kind of windfall does Shamrock Rovers stand to gain from their Europa League run? Do they have to share any of that money with other Irish league teams? Or did the travel involved with their participation suck most of those funds dry?

[Terminator X]

More on the potential Euro flashpoints:


UEFA has pledged zero tolerance of discrimination during the three-week tournament. To help achieve this, it asked the Football Against Racism in Europe (FARE) fans’ network to send two monitors to each match offensive banners, chants and behavior in stadiums, and report to UEFA within 24 hours.

On Saturday, FARE said it identified verbal insults targeted at Gebre Selassie, whose father is Ethiopian.

“There was some suggestion that the Czech defender went to take a corner and had a few problems,” FARE executive director Piara Powar told the AP.

Fans also displayed a nationalist “Russian Empire” flag which “we take as evidence of far-right sensibilities,” Powar said in a telephone interview.

Powar said FARE officials aimed to provide footage of Gebre Selassie being abused.
“We are trying to get that evidence, and it’s not always possible to capture it on film,” he said.

Still, film was available showing some Russian fans attacking security staff.
Polish police said the four injured stewards “were not badly injured, and security footage was being studied to identify those involved.

UEFA said in a statement that “around 30 fans” attacked the stewards in a “brief and isolated incident.

So, UEFA has "zero tolerance" for racism, but then does this:


Four years ago, UEFA fined Croatia 20,000 Swiss francs (then $19,600) for its fans’ neo-Nazi flags and chants during a Euro 2008 quarterfinals loss against Turkey in Vienna, Austria. On Sunday, Croatia plays Ireland in Poznan, Poland.

http://liveraf.wordpress.com/2012/06/10/racist-abuse-far-right-flags-and-attacks-on-stewards-at-euro-2012/

$19,600 fine for a multi-million dollar operation?!? :laugh:

[bricolage]

There's never violence from Irish fans and FIFA even gave the Irish Fan club a "supporters of the year" award a few years back.
is that so? (http://www.guardian.co.uk/football/2012/jun/10/euro-2012-croatia-ireland-violence-police-arrests)

and despite the politics celtic (who I'm guess you are referring to) are a scottish club not irish.

[pastradamus]

is that so? (http://www.guardian.co.uk/football/2012/jun/10/euro-2012-croatia-ireland-violence-police-arrests)

and despite the politics celtic (who I'm guess you are referring to) are a scottish club not irish.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/FIFA_Fair_Play_Award

No. Im refering to Ireland. The international team. Not Celtic (who incidently also won it.scroll down to 1997 and do your homework next time.

[pastradamus]

is that so? (http://www.guardian.co.uk/football/2012/jun/10/euro-2012-croatia-ireland-violence-police-arrests)


Oh shit I missed out on that. The three Irish Fans that got arrested in that incident had nothing to do with the brawl and were arrested for simply walking past it (drunk as we usually are) and during when the cops were making their arrests. They were detained for a short while on public vandalism charges and released. They even made the game (dreadful as it was). No charges were brought against them.

[Niall]

Dutch players were the victims of racist abuse at the hands of Polish white nationalists during a recent training session. Hollands black players were the victims of monkey chants and other abuse. When Holland went to UEFA their complaints fell on the deaf ears of UEFA's most imfamously ignorant director Michel Platini.



Fair play to Van Bommel, he's standing up for his team mates and standing up against racism. Thats a proper captain and role model for kids.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/football/2012/jun/07/euro-2012-holland-racist-abuse

Posted this at the end of another thread but felt I'd highlight the issue in a new thread.
dont like van bommell, i think hes a thug, but fair play to him in this regard

[bricolage]

Oh shit I missed out on that. The three Irish Fans that got arrested in that incident had nothing to do with the brawl and were arrested for simply walking past it (drunk as we usually are) and during when the cops were making their arrests. They were detained for a short while on public vandalism charges and released. They even made the game (dreadful as it was). No charges were brought against them.
i wasn't specifically talking about the arrests just the general fighting which you know full well irish fans have been involved in, ok hold my hands up I was wrong about the fair play award and maybe irish fans do get in less fights but i don't buy this whole glory glory national characteristic thing that you seem to be going for here alongside constant references to the ireland as 'we'. the latter may just seem semantic nit picking but it seems to betray a certain affection for 'the nation'. in my experience people are always happy to suspend their politics for flags and football.

[Terminator X]

Clash today between Russian and Polish fans:

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[Tifosi]

Clash today between Russian and Polish fans:

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Apparently one Russian died in this attack.

Pretty brutal as the Poles (who look like Legia Warsaw fans) attacked everything that wasn't Polish; people who were asleep, normal fans, TV reporters etc. Real hard men...

Russians marched to stadium behind a large Romanov flag.

http://www.flaresandchants.com/wp-content/gallery/poland-russia-riot/poland-russia-riot-01.jpg

Holding a big nationalist rally, this was always going to happen.

[Andropov]

Speaking of Irish clubs, what kind of windfall does Shamrock Rovers stand to gain from their Europa League run? Do they have to share any of that money with other Irish league teams? Or did the travel involved with their participation suck most of those funds dry?
Rumours doing the rounds that they made the guts of 1 Million between prize money, gates, sponsorship and all.
Now for the top teams in the league the annual turn over would be about 1.2 - 1.5 Million.
And no they dont have to share any of that money with the rest of the league.
Their budget would be by far the largest in the league, but its not doing them any favours at the minute, the ****s.

[pastradamus]

i wasn't specifically talking about the arrests just the general fighting which you know full well irish fans have been involved in, ok hold my hands up I was wrong about the fair play award and maybe irish fans do get in less fights but i don't buy this whole glory glory national characteristic thing that you seem to be going for here alongside constant references to the ireland as 'we'. the latter may just seem semantic nit picking but it seems to betray a certain affection for 'the nation'. in my experience people are always happy to suspend their politics for flags and football.

I am not being nationalist by saying this. Yes "we" meaning Irish Fans. I am being truthful. Im proud of the fact that the team I support never get involved in fights or violence abroad. There is no evidence that Irish fans have been involved in hooliganism and fighting in Poland/Ukraine.

[Andropov]

I am not being nationalist by saying this. Yes "we" meaning Irish Fans. I am being truthful. Im proud of the fact that the team I support never get involved in fights or violence abroad. There is no evidence that Irish fans have been involved in hooliganism and fighting in Poland/Ukraine.
3 Irish lads go lifted along with Croats and Poles in Poznan a few nights ago.
Lech lads attacked a pub with some BBB who were drinking with the Irish at the time, rumours doing the rounds that the 3 Irish lads lifted were Shams fans, wouldnt be surprised.

[Niall]

3 Irish lads go lifted along with Croats and Poles in Poznan a few nights ago.
Lech lads attacked a pub with some BBB who were drinking with the Irish at the time, rumours doing the rounds that the 3 Irish lads lifted were Shams fans, wouldnt be surprised.
werent they released without charge as they happened to be in the wrong place at the wrong time? Cant blame fans for being attacked can you?

[bricolage]

I am not being nationalist by saying this. Yes "we" meaning Irish Fans. I am being truthful. Im proud of the fact that the team I support never get involved in fights or violence abroad. There is no evidence that Irish fans have been involved in hooliganism and fighting in Poland/Ukraine.
i'm sure lots will disagree and maybe this warrants its own thread but in my opinion you can't support a national team playing behind a national flag without some kind of concession to nationalism.

as for the second bit everyone gets in fights, no need to be on such a high horse.

[Terminator X]

Croatia FA fined $100,000 for racist chants by supporters, Nicklas Bendtner fined $125,000 for wearing inappropriately-branded underwear...UEFA is a fucking joke!

http://www.uefa.com/uefa/footballfirst/matchorganisation/disciplinary/news/newsid=1827523.html

[Bronco]

I don't see what's wrong with using "we", I use it for my club team so why not my international team, and it's often encouraged in club football for people to support their local team and if you translate that to the international game, supporting England is sorta like doing that

[Manic Impressive]

The only WE is our class. We is a really important word as the user is assigning an identity to it. An identity which separates the users interests from others in their class. So talking about "we English" or "we Irish" means we are viewing ourselves as something different, something apart from those others. When you look at how the word is used in the media it's constantly used this way. "how do we get out of recession" "we won WW2" "we won the world cup" it's all bollocks WE didn't do jack shit someone else did it and usually that someone else had interests that are opposed to those of our class. Socialists should be in constant battle over the word we. If everyone only used we in the context of our class then we'd have a revolution tomorrow. ;)

[Bronco]

Meh if people want to feel a part of the club and closer identify with them then I don't think it's a big deal if they use "we", the fans are pretty key to any team

I just use it instinctively, never really thought about it before, would seem strange not using it though

[NoPasaran1936]

3 Irish lads go lifted along with Croats and Poles in Poznan a few nights ago.
Lech lads attacked a pub with some BBB who were drinking with the Irish at the time, rumours doing the rounds that the 3 Irish lads lifted were Shams fans, wouldnt be surprised.

Police will often arrest everyone within a particular vicinity of a brawl if anyone remotely looked like football fans. It's a tactic used world-wide, me and a friend were held without charge after clashes between brighton and palace fans here in the south because a fight broke out a street away.