Syrian Rebels: "We stand with Israel"

[Imposter Marxist]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9Xbu864lfwg&feature=share

I'm confused as to why the revolutionaries in Syria are taking a bad position on zionism? Anyone help clear it up for me?

[Ocean Seal]

Because they want Western aid. They weren't exactly leading revolutionaries, they were pretty backwards, but that's well known.

[Binh]

Listen to what he's actually saying. He's saying Assad used Israeli aggression as an excuse to deprive Syrians of democratic rights and is appealing for aid from them.

Positions on Israel are secondary when there is a civil war raging in Syria between a revolution and a counter-revolution. The Israelis haven't gotten involved precisely because they don't see any pro-Israel factions.

[REDSOX]

They take this position on zionism because they support it, otherwise the western powers would not be backing them

[Lynx]

They will have air support, it's the least they can do.

[cynicles]

Listen to what he's actually saying. He's saying Assad used Israeli aggression as an excuse to deprive Syrians of democratic rights and is appealing for aid from them.

Positions on Israel are secondary when there is a civil war raging in Syria between a revolution and a counter-revolution. The Israelis haven't gotten involved precisely because they don't see any pro-Israel factions.
They probably wan't the regime to stay on but weekend, Assad has done nothing to seriously challenge Israeli power beyond rhetoric, to this day he refuses to retake the Golan.

[Bronco]

The Israelis haven't gotten involved precisely because they don't see any pro-Israel factions.

"I have the deepest respect for the rebels who expose themselves to live fire and I hope that they will win." - Netanyahu

[cynicles]

"I have the deepest respect for the rebels who expose themselves to live fire and I hope that they will win." - Netanyahu
lol I bet he would love the idea of Al Queda ruling Syria. Even if he offers words, they're meaningless, this is a political class that loves to talk about peace wihout actually doing anything about it. The rebels as they stand in control of Syria would be too unpredictable and too close for comfort to Israel.

[A Marxist Historian]

lol I bet he would love the idea of Al Queda ruling Syria. Even if he offers words, they're meaningless, this is a political class that loves to talk about peace wihout actually doing anything about it. The rebels as they stand in control of Syria would be too unpredictable and too close for comfort to Israel.

Realistically, the only way Assad could be overthown would be by a military assault from outside, and the Israeli army would doubtless be the backbone of that. The war has turned into a sectarian civil war, and Assad's support among the non-Sunni is solidifying as fast as the rebels' support among the Sunni.

The rebels are aware of this, that is why they are playing the Israeli card, despite the huge propaganda blowback they are likely to get from this.

The Israelis would be delighted to have former Al Quaida types running Syria, as long as Israeli troops are occupying the country and have them under their thumbs.

After all, who started Al Quaida in the first place? Al Quaida means "the base." The base in question was Tora Bora in Afghanistan, for which Osama Bin Laden, a construction contractor by trade, was the contractor for when the CIA built it.

And Hamas first arose in Gaza due to Israeli favoritism, as the Israelis saw it as a positive alternative to the PLO back in the '80s before the Intifada.

-M.H.-

[A Marxist Historian]

They probably wan't the regime to stay on but weekend, Assad has done nothing to seriously challenge Israeli power beyond rhetoric, to this day he refuses to retake the Golan.

"Refuses"? Do you think the Israeli army would just sit there if he took a crack at retaking the Golan? In a conventional war, with the Israelis in defensive positions on the Golan heights and the Syrian army attacking, Israel would kick Syria's ass.

And, if things went really badly somehow, Israel has nuclear weapons.

-M.H.-

[cynicles]

"Refuses"? Do you think the Israeli army would just sit there if he took a crack at retaking the Golan? In a conventional war, with the Israelis in defensive positions on the Golan heights and the Syrian army attacking, Israel would kick Syria's ass.

And, if things went really badly somehow, Israel has nuclear weapons.

-M.H.-

That's a stupid excuse, if a bunch of untrained Lebanese teenagers can send the great IDF fleeing out of southern Lebanon screaming then a better organized and equipped Syrian army should have a good shot at retaking the Golan.

[scarletghoul]

Absolutely shocked to see that some people on this site still believe the fsa to be 'revolutionaries'
how much evidence is necessary , fools !

[A Marxist Historian]

That's a stupid excuse, if a bunch of untrained Lebanese teenagers can send the great IDF fleeing out of southern Lebanon screaming then a better organized and equipped Syrian army should have a good shot at retaking the Golan.

Wrong. In Lebanon, Israel was invading, and trying to occupy a foreign country. Popular resistance made that impossible. As Iraq demonstrates, guerilla warfare is often much more effective against a well-equipped First World army than a similar Third World army, even Saddam Hussein's army with eight years of battle experience vs. Iran, armed by the both the Soviets and the Americans to the teeth, and the fourth largest army in the world at that point.

The remaining civilian population on the Golan Heights, to the degree there is any, is all loyal to Israel. The Israeli army is dug in in excellent defensive positions. They call 'em the "Golan Heights" for a reason. The absolutely perfect military situation for Israel, none better could be cooked up if Israeli generals were drawing the battle map to their convenience.

Now, if the Israeli army were to invade Syria, that's another matter altogether. But any Syrian assault on the Golan would get munched.

-M.H.-

[REDSOX]

Apparently these rebels also stand with the Cuban right wing emigres in florida!!! See my op syria and the cuban right wing emigres

[cynicles]

Wrong. In Lebanon, Israel was invading, and trying to occupy a foreign country. Popular resistance made that impossible. As Iraq demonstrates, guerilla warfare is often much more effective against a well-equipped First World army than a similar Third World army, even Saddam Hussein's army with eight years of battle experience vs. Iran, armed by the both the Soviets and the Americans to the teeth, and the fourth largest army in the world at that point.

The remaining civilian population on the Golan Heights, to the degree there is any, is all loyal to Israel. The Israeli army is dug in in excellent defensive positions. They call 'em the "Golan Heights" for a reason. The absolutely perfect military situation for Israel, none better could be cooked up if Israeli generals were drawing the battle map to their convenience.

Now, if the Israeli army were to invade Syria, that's another matter altogether. But any Syrian assault on the Golan would get munched.

-M.H.-
lol more excuses, Assad had no problem collaborating witht hte west when it was convenient for him, he just didn't want to rock the boat.

[A Marxist Historian]

lol more excuses, Assad had no problem collaborating witht hte west when it was convenient for him, he just didn't want to rock the boat.

You just totally miss the point. Of course he collaborates with the west when it suits him. But he really, really seriously would like to get the Golan back. His father actually took a crack at it and got his ass handed to him.

He is a Syrian nationalist first and foremost, and getting back the Golan is a lifetime dream he'd sacrifice a lot for. But it can't be done.

"Anti imperialism" has nothing whatsoever to do with this. If the Golan was in the hands of Lebanon or Jordan, his desire to get the Golan back would be exactly the same, absolutely no difference.

Israel does definitely have a much better claim on the Golan than Israel does, but the interests of the pretty small number of Syrian and Druze peasants who lost their farms there is not of any great importance to either the Israelis or Assad. This is not like the struggle of the Palestinians for liberation, but simply a nationalist conflict over a small chunk of militarily useful but otherwise unimportant land.

-M.H.-