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Thirsty Crow
6th June 2012, 15:25
So, recently I've been reading a few articles on the changes in class composition and capital accumulation patterns from the crisis of the 70s onwards, and I stumbled accross this assertion, which is kind of puzzling:


With only a few exceptions Marx could categorically place the whole of commercial [or 'merchant'] capital - capital involved in the process of buying and selling - in the bracket of unproductive capital since "neither the time of purchase nor of sale creates any value"...The wages of workers in this sector belong to the costs of circulation, i. e. they are drain on overall surplus value, even though the work is necessary for the functioning of capital and even though the individual worker "works as well as the next man".

So, starting from the basic premise that profit arises out of surpkus value which itself is a product of labour (or rather the uncompensated labour time of the working class), it would seem that this view on the so called commercial capital asserts that it actually doesn't produce a profit.

But the author (nevermind the source, it's not relevant for the discussion) goes on to state that


...what is unproductive labour for capitalism in value terms is not necessarily unprofitable in financial terms. Financial profit is not the same thing as the production of surplus value.

Which would imply that, let's say, supermarket chains produce profit on the basis of "buying cheap, selling dear" (or how the saying goes), that is, on the basis of exploiting the buyers (themselves, in all probability, workers; but then we have the notion exploitation in circulation and consumption).

So far, this is consistent with the author's remarks on the way Marx conceived of commercial capital, as "unproductive capital" (though it's unclear for me how capital can function as capital and be called "unproductive"; much the same way how an amount of money directed to fund public, free healthcare does not mean the funds act as capital, apart from a metaphorical usage of the term). But there's a remark on transport which would seem at odds with this treatment of Marx's views on commercial capital:


Marx distinguished between transport as a service and therefore unproductive (people) and transport in relation to commodities. In so far as the change of location increases the exchange value of the commodity, i. e. when the labour of the transport workers has imparted value, then transportation is productive for capital. (emphasis mine)

So, it seems obvious that commercial capital is intimately tied to transport - it is an essential part of the functioning of this form of capital (since we can describe it as bringing commodities to their end-users). But then how can we conclude that commercial capital is "unproductive capital"? Again, it seems that all of it employes transport labour which produces new value.

Can anyone help in disentangling this mess?

Dunk
6th June 2012, 16:21
Can you provide a link to the original material?

It seems to me the first paragraph makes the same description of unproductive labor which is essential to the functioning of capitalism, such as those provided by the state. This state borrows money, creditors can make interest on their loans - this is a way that creditors can collect interest from unproductive labor.

The idea that a surplus isn't created by labor or that the source of profit lies elsewhere sounds alarms to me. I'm sure it's possible for some firms in some industries to marginally overprice commodities, but the idea that this happens on a grand scale to where we can make the claim that labor is no longer the source of profit seems absurd to me. It reminds me of the unfleshed out ideas I've heard that capital accumulation itself has changed and that firms are now renting instead of competing and profiting.

Thirsty Crow
6th June 2012, 16:36
Can you provide a link to the original material?http://www.leftcom.org/en/articles/2005-06-01/capitalism-s-new-economy-the-case-of-the-uk-part-one-the-decline-of


It seems to me the first paragraph makes the same description of unproductive labor which is essential to the functioning of capitalism, such as those provided by the state. This state borrows money, creditors can make interest on their loans - this is a way that creditors can collect interest from unproductive labor.Well, it indeed seems that the first paragraph deals with unproductive labor, though what is puzzling here is the term unproductive capital.
For capital to actually function as capital - it needs to employ wage labour in production of commodities, and thus appropriating surplus value (source of profit) by means of ensuring surplus labour on behalf of the working class. So, unproductive capital seems like a contradiction in terms (so the problem might be terminology.

But then again, it might be that the author misrepresents Marx - in him insisting on characterizing "much of if not all" of commercial capital as unproductive - unless again we have a language problem here, and what is really meant that commercial capital rests on unproductive labor (apart from transport, as it seems).


The idea that a surplus isn't created by labor or that the source of profit lies elsewhere sounds alarms to me.To be frank, this was just one of the possible implications of the article, one that isn't actually brought up in it.
Though, come to think of it, your example of state debt might be useful in thinking about the second paragraph which states that financial profit is not the same thing as production of surplus value.
As you stated, creditors that make interest on their loans actually depend on (surplus) value produced elsewhere (as well as on wages) since the state collects its revenue from these sources. In this sense, "financial profit" is realized also from unproductive labour, I suppose.


I'm sure it's possible for some firms in some industries to marginally overprice commodities, but the idea that this happens on a grand scale to where we can make the claim that labor is no longer the source of profit seems absurd to me.I don't think the author, nor myself, ever meant to put forward such an idea.

EDIT: As a side note, speaking hypothetically of course, how would such a marginal overpricing of commodities on a grand scale influnce the supply of money and what could the possible consequences be?

A Revolutionary Tool
6th June 2012, 17:39
What is meant by commercial capital in the first place? If we're talking about stuff like ads and commercials on tv and the Internet, then it is indeed unproductive labor being employed. If I'm correct, unproductive labor in Marx's terms was labor which does not contribute to the furthering of capital accumulation. So you could say that capital used by unproductive labor is itself unproductive/wasteful couldn't we? Although I'm pretty sure that I don't know exactly what you mean by commercial capital...

Thirsty Crow
6th June 2012, 17:55
What is meant by commercial capital in the first place? If we're talking about stuff like ads and commercials on tv and the Internet, then it is indeed unproductive labor being employed. If I'm correct, unproductive labor in Marx's terms was labor which does not contribute to the furthering of capital accumulation. So you could say that capital used by unproductive labor is itself unproductive/wasteful couldn't we? Although I'm pretty sure that I don't know exactly what you mean by commercial capital...
Commercial capital is synonymous with "merchant capital".
In other words, what we're dealing here is circulation of commodities - commercial capital buys manufactured commodities and sells them to their consumers. Think supermarkets.

As far as the notion of unproductive labor is concerned, it's too vague in my opinion to state that this amounts to labor which does not contribute to the furthering of capital accumulation. For instance, commercial capital employs unproductive labor yet its expansion, accumulation is dependant on that very same labor (which means that we simply can't conclude that it doesn't contribute to capital accumulation), at least in my understanding.
Unproductive labor is solely unproductive from the perspective of (surplus) value. It can and does contribute to overall capital accumulation - it is necessary labor, as well as from the perspective of social reproduction - but itself doesn't produce new value.