Piracy destroys companies

[TheRedAnarchist23]

I have heard this many times being used as an excusse to why you should not pirate, the worst part is it is true, piracy does destroy companies.

If people keep pirating we will eventually make the companies that make games stop making them, but this is not a bad thing, because then only those that make games because the like it and want to do it will remain, those like EA who make games for money will disapear.

So, I say: Keep pirating, destroy the money-thirsty game developers, not like EA and Ubisoft's games are any good. Do this and indie companies will rise and make better games for free, pirate and change the game industry for better.

CONCLUSION:

Piracy is good for us, and good for the industry.

[Brosa Luxemburg]

No.

It will not destroy the "money-thirsty" producers because capitalism is a system that requires all companies to increase their profit margins, even your indie developers.

Honestly, this just seems to be a basic lack of understanding of how capitalism works. I mean VERY basic.

[Revolutionair]

No piracy doesn't destroy companies. Pirates are the avid gamers who will try to play every game, and buy a game for the extra content that buying gives. No company suffers from pirating. Companies suffer from making bad games. Pirating is an excuse that corporate+state use to limit internet freedom, please note that even this limitation of freedom does not halt pirating in any way, it merely extends the authority of the state and disciplines a new group of people. It reminds me of a company (was it EA?) that made a game where your character could be homosexual. When people started boycotting the game because of its aweful programming, the company blamed the gamers for being homophobic. But why didn't other games with the option of homosexuality get boycotted? In Fable, there were options of homosexuality, yet Fable is raised a beacon of what modern games are supposed to be. The same way with pirating, bad companies blame pirates for low sales, yet games that are both well made and easy to pirate continue to dominate the sales records.

As a pirate, I did buy UT2k4, because I wanted to support the creators of the game and I thought after playing the torrented version, that the game deserved to be bought. It would also look nice as a bought game in my collection. The same goes for Warcraft 2 and 3 and multiple other games. I tried vanilla World of Warcraft on a private server, and it seemed to be more immense with the higher populated retail servers. However, the expansions were a flop and the customer support was qualitively horrible compared to the active GMs of private servers. I had the option of trying all of the expansions for free through a friend of mine who works for Blizzard. I choose not to buy the expansions beyond TBC because they were rushed to the market as easy cash.

I was in Starcraft 2 beta and it seemed like a decent game. However I soon heard about hackers ruining games with maphacks and in general some bugs after it was released. I wasn't able to verify any of this myself because the game is practically unpiratable. Even though I'm quite sure that it should be taken with a grain of salt, the fact that I cannot be certain of the experience that the game will give me 'forced' me to opt for dismissing the game completely. Blizzard lost a customer by not including LAN!

tl;dr: the idea that pirating is bad=nonsense.

[TheRedAnarchist23]

No.

It will not destroy the "money-thirsty" producers because capitalism is a system that requires all companies to increase their profit margins, even your indie developers.

Honestly, this just seems to be a basic lack of understanding of how capitalism works. I mean VERY basic.

One can make a game without losing any money.

In these few years we have seen a rise of developers who release their games for free, but according to you this is a lie because you cannot make free games in capitalism.

[TheRedAnarchist23]

No piracy doesn't destroy companies. Pirates are the avid gamers who will try to play every game, and buy a game for the extra content that buying gives. No company suffers from pirating. Companies suffer from making bad games. Pirating is an excuse that corporate+state use to limit internet freedom, please note that even this limitation of freedom does not halt pirating in any way, it merely extends the authority of the state and disciplines a new group of people. It reminds me of a company (was it EA?) that made a game where your character could be homosexual. When people started boycotting the game because of its aweful programming, the company blamed the gamers for being homophobic. But why didn't other games with the option of homosexuality get boycotted? In Fable, there were options of homosexuality, yet Fable is raised a beacon of what modern games are supposed to be. The same way with pirating, bad companies blame pirates for low sales, yet games that are both well made and easy to pirate continue to dominate the sales records.

As a pirate, I did buy UT2k4, because I wanted to support the creators of the game and I thought after playing the torrented version, that the game deserved to be bought. It would also look nice as a bought game in my collection. The same goes for Warcraft 2 and 3 and multiple other games. I tried vanilla World of Warcraft on a private server, and it seemed to be more immense with the higher populated retail servers. However, the expansions were a flop and the customer support was qualitively horrible compared to the active GMs of private servers. I had the option of trying all of the expansions for free through a friend of mine who works for Blizzard. I choose not to buy the expansions beyond TBC because they were rushed to the market as easy cash.

I was in Starcraft beta and it seemed like a decent game. However I soon heard about hackers ruining games with maphacks and in general some bugs after it was released. I wasn't able to verify any of this myself because the game is practically unpiratable. Even though I'm quite sure that it should be taken with a grain of salt, the fact that I cannot be certain of the experience that the game will give me 'forced' me to opt for dismissing the game completely. Blizzard lost a customer by not including LAN!

tl;dr: the idea that pirating is bad=nonsense.


Please note that I am not acusing piracy of being bad, I am praising it for making new indie developers appear.

I agree with you with your definition of a pirate, in fact I am a pirate myself.

[Brosa Luxemburg]

One can make a game without losing any money.

In these few years we have seen a rise of developers who release their games for free, but according to you this is a lie because you cannot make free games in capitalism.

Just because they can make a game for free does not mean that they are not making profit through other ways (advertisements within the game, etc.), otherwise they couldn't function in the capitalist marketplace. Again, to not understand this is to not understand capitalism at all.

[Brosa Luxemburg]

Please note that I am not acusing piracy of being bad, I am praising it for making new indie developers appear.


And what do you think will happen when these indie developers dominate? They will act like the other game developers once they get an edge on the market, they will seek growth at all costs, etc. etc.

You sound like the liberals that cry for "small businesses" rather than call for the revolutionary overthrow of the bourgeois state and the destruction of capitalism.

[TheRedAnarchist23]

Just because they can make a game for free does not mean that they are not making profit through other ways (advertisements within the game, etc.), otherwise they couldn't function in the capitalist marketplace. Again, to not understand this is to not understand capitalism at all.


You are right, but are you going to deny the fact that free software has been increasing.

When I say developers, I don't mean just permanent companies, I also mean, for example, one dude who makes flash games in the internet.

[TheRedAnarchist23]

And what do you think will happen when these indie developers dominate? They will act like the other game developers once they get an edge on the market, they will seek growth at all costs, etc. etc.

You sound like the liberals that cry for "small businesses" rather than call for the revolutionary overthrow of the bourgeois state and the destruction of capitalism.

What I am saying is if piracy rises even more then money-thisty companies will become broke, and then only free software developers will remain.

[Brosa Luxemburg]

You are right, but are you going to deny the fact that free software has been increasing.

No, but again, this has nothing to do with what we are talking about.


When I say developers, I don't mean just permanent companies, I also mean, for example, one dude who makes flash games in the internet.

Okay? My argument still stands.

BTW I am not against pirating. I just think you presented a stupid analysis of pirating and it's effects.

[TheRedAnarchist23]

I just think you presented a stupid analysis of pirating and it's effects.


If you think you can do a better one go ahead!:)

[Brosa Luxemburg]

If you think you can do a better one go ahead!:)

If the major companies and corporations that are involved in the production of games go under, than the "indie" companies will dominate the market and take their place.

This isn't my analysis, this is a basic analysis coming from a basic understanding of capitalism.

Seriously, I don't know if I will be capable of posting another comment if I see another stupid post in this thread.

[wsg1991]

If the major companies and corporations that are involved in the production of games go under, than the "indie" companies will dominate the market and take their place.

This isn't my analysis, this is a basic analysis coming from a basic understanding of capitalism.

Seriously, I don't know if I will be capable of posting another comment if I see another stupid post in this thread.

the indies won't create monopolies or affect the market laws any time soon because they are small size

that's means we will face some time of innovations , new ideas , and competition , then some new monopolies will rise again , and block that

[PC LOAD LETTER]

what is this I don't even

[Leonid Brozhnev]

I'm yet to hear a case where a company has went bust because of piracy...most companies that go bust do so simply because they've made terrible games. Real Time Worlds went under after it's game 'All Points Bulletin' had severely poor sales... it was an MMO that required you to be online at all times so there was no piracy involved.

I'm part of a team that makes a free modification, we were recently told that street vendors had been selling our mod for money. Now, I don't really care, the selling of free software is probably more widespread than normal piracy, especially in parts of the world with limited internet connections... but we don't really hear about this form of 'reverse' piracy, it seems all fair and above board as long as you're not denying the game or movie giants their slice of pie. Had these people been selling EA games they'd pirated from the internet the police would have come down on them like a tonne of donuts.

[TheRedAnarchist23]

If the major companies and corporations that are involved in the production of games go under, than the "indie" companies will dominate the market and take their place.

This isn't my analysis, this is a basic analysis coming from a basic understanding of capitalism.

Seriously, I don't know if I will be capable of posting another comment if I see another stupid post in this thread.

I don't know if you are understanding my point, like I have said before you are right.

What I mean is making games for money will be replaced with making games out of some desire of making a game (art).

So, through piracy, the free software movement will grow.

[wsg1991]

i did Harm EA games \ Ubisoft \ Sony \ capcom ... by downloading their games instead of buying them

well Fuck em ! i can't buy this games too expensive for a third world lower middle class citizen . they knew that already , that's why they don't sell videogames over here

also i did download several books for my study , since i can't buy them , too expensive


i also downloads Pirated content for Noam Chomsky from Piratebay , Naomi Klein ( disaster capitalism ) , and for John Pilger , Zizek ( i didn't open the PDF so far ) , and some arabs politicians

[Ocean Seal]

I say keep pirating because fuck it, its not my money.

[TheRedAnarchist23]

i did Harm EA games \ Ubisoft \ Sony \ capcom ... by downloading their games instead of buying them

well Fuck em ! i can't buy this games too expensive for a third world lower middle class citizen . they knew that already , that's why they don't sell videogames over here

also i did download several books for my study , since i can't buy them , too expensive


i also downloads Pirated content for Noam Chomsky from Piratebay , Naomi Klein ( disaster capitalism ) , and for John Pilger , Zizek ( i didn't open the PDF so far ) , and some arabs politicians

Just like me, except I download my books from The Anarchist Library, and I am the oldest son of proletarian parents, living in what is aparently a first world country (Portugal).

[Tenka]

Software piracy isn't real! Cappies and their media monkeys and sad sympathisers just like having you pay for shit and using alarmist terminology to refer to those who don't.

Is this news to anyone. Also, doesn't really hurt the companies, digital copies cost nothing to produce and so taking them isn't anything like theft; imaginary losses, etc.
Sorry, I just don't like calling downloading shit for free "piracy".

[wsg1991]

Just like me, except I download my books from The Anarchist Library, and I am the oldest son of proletarian parents, living in what is aparently a first world country (Portugal).

and i am the eldest son of a fishmonger ,

a Netter's Atlas cost about 100 dollars here , Grey's anatomy cost around the same ,
i am not ready to pay that much for a Book
i have around 1000~1500 dollars PDF's
not to mention video Games , politics , movies ...
probably tens of thousands dollars ( heavy gamer ) in those Last 5 years
and thanks for site

[TheRedAnarchist23]

Software piracy isn't real! Cappies and their media monkeys and sad sympathisers just like having you pay for shit and using alarmist terminology to refer to those who don't.

Is this news to anyone. Also, doesn't really hurt the companies, digital copies cost nothing to produce and so taking them isn't anything like theft; imaginary losses, etc.
Sorry, I just don't like calling downloading shit for free "piracy".

It hurts the company's profit (-40 dolars:D), and it does cost money to produce, the owner needs to pay the workers, that's where profit gets in.

I just call it piracy because I got used to being called a pirate, also:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6-IrO8Dwr5c&feature=related

I do not advise clicking the link, It may cause seizures to epileptics.

[Tenka]

No I mean the digital copies that you download cost nothing to produce.

[TheRedAnarchist23]

No I mean the digital copies that you download cost nothing to produce.

Indeed!

[#FF0000]

I wouldn't have bought the things I download anyway. This is true, I think, of many if not most pirates. So it is literally no loss at all.

The only way piracy can hurt the industry is if the industry takes big dumb measures against it like the film industry did. And the result of that is fewer risky, 'indie' films being made and put out there.

[PC LOAD LETTER]

I download things because I can't afford all this music and all these movies.

So, like #FF0000, it's not a missed sale for them as I wouldn't buy it anyways.

Sometimes, I'll buy something I downloaded. If it's of exceptional quality. Usually movies. But that's maybe once a year, and I only watched it because I was able to download it for free first ...