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Princess Luna
2nd June 2012, 17:45
CAIRO, Egypt - An Egyptian court has sentenced former president Hosni Mubarak to life in prison for complicity in killing more than 800 protesters during last year's revolution, a first in the Arab world and a major achievement for the revolution which toppled him nearly 18 months ago.

Judge Ahmed Refaat acknowledged problems with the prosecution's case, which was widely criticised by legal experts.

Prosecutors did not present evidence that Mubarak, 84, directly ordered the killings. But Refaat faulted the former president for not stopping them, and delivered a speech during Saturday's court session about what he called the "dark days" of Mubarak's rule.

The judge stressed several times that the protesters last year were non-violent.

"They marched peacefully towards Tahrir Square, demanding justice, freedom and democracy," he said.

The verdict at first drew an ecstatic reaction from a small crowd gathered outside the Cairo police academy, the site of the trial. Many of the demonstrators had family members killed during the revolution.

There was no way to watch the trial from outside the police academy, so the crowd huddled around cars and portable radios to listen.

When the judge read Mubarak's sentence, a huge cheer erupted from the crowd; some people fired sparklers into the air, while others fell to their knees to pray.

One elderly couple knelt on a poster bearing a photograph of their dead son, crying and shouting: "God is great."

"I thank God. I thank God, and I thank the judge. This is a victory for all the Egyptian people … this will not make [my son] come back, but this is just," said Umm Saber, whose son was killed by security forces last January.

Joy turns to fury

But among many in the crowd, the initial excitement quickly gave way to scepticism and frustration over the extent of Mubarak's sentence and the acquittal of four aides.
Some people had hoped for a death sentence. "He should hang," said Umm Farouq. "He kills the Egyptian people for being hungry, and now he can live in prison, in comfort."

Mubarak has been held since last year not in prison, but in a military hospital, which many local media reports have described as a comfortable facility.

The president was brought to Tora prison after the verdict, and reportedly initially refused to leave his helicopter; state media reported that he had been admitted to the prison's hospital after eventually disembarking from the aircraft.

Habib el-Adly, Mubarak's longtime interior minister, was also sentenced to life in prison for his role in the killings.

Many people had expected him to receive a death sentence.

Several of Adly's top aides, including the former heads of Cairo security and the notorious Central Security Forces, were acquitted of any role in killing protesters.

'Bankrupted this country'

Mubarak was acquitted on corruption charges. His two sons, Gamal and Alaa, were also acquitted, a ruling that prompted anger outside the courtroom."They bankrupted this country and now they are free?" one man yelled incredulously into a loudspeaker.

The judge said those charges were dismissed because they dealt with crimes which occurred more than a decade ago.

Gamal and Alaa will remain in custody, however, because they were charged earlier this week with stock market fraud.

"They can just take the money they stole and, whoosh," said Mustafa al-Helmy, using his hands to mimic a running man.

A small group of pro-Mubarak demonstrators held their own rally outside the police academy, separated from the victim's families by hundreds of police officers and dozens of armoured vehicles.

One of them held a sign proclaiming Mubarak "a hero of peace and war".

"He was a great man who fought for his country," said a man who gave his name only as Ahmed. "They [the opposition] just want revenge, but this is not justice."

'His right hand becomes president'

Following the announcement of the verdict, several groups called for protests to be held across the country.

By mid-afternoon, hundreds of people had converged on Cairo's Tahrir Square, with larger crowds expected in the evening.

Almost 1,000 people staged a separate march to the supreme court, where they threw rocks and broke windows.

There were also protests in the northern city of Alexandria, where thousands gathered shouting slogans against Mubarak, demanding that he face the death penalty, Al Jazeera's Jamal Elshayyal reported.

The Muslim Brotherhood released a statement calling the verdict shocking" to "the families of the martyrs".

The group said it would participate in protests on Saturday.

Ahmed Shafiq, one of the two candidates in the presidential runoff later this month, released his own statement, which said the verdict proved that "no one is above accountability".

Presidential factor

The sentence will present a political question for the next president, once he is elected after a June 16-17 runoff.

Many Egyptians expect Shafiq to pardon Mubarak if he wins. Mohammed Morsi, the Muslim Brotherhood's candidate, vowed this week to keep the former president in prison "forever".
"The public prosecutor did not carry out its full duty in gathering adequate evidence to convict the accused for killing
protesters," said Yasser Ali, campaign spokesman for Morsi.

Many of the demonstrators outside the police academy quickly linked the verdict to the runoff election. Some said Shafiq should have joined Mubarak and Adly in the dock.

"He isn't the only one," said Karim al-Azazi, referring to Mubarak.

"SCAF [the country's ruling military council] has killed so many of us.

"Remember Abbasiyya. Remember Mohamed Mahmoud," he said, referring to two major confrontations with security forces in recent months.

More than 40 people were killed during the week-long clashes on Mohamed Mahmoud street in November, and nine people were killed in Abbasiyya, near the defence ministry, in May.

"Mubarak goes to jail, but his right hand becomes president," he said, shaking his head.
http://www.aljazeera.com/news/middleeast/2012/06/20126213282116563.html

Zav
2nd June 2012, 17:54
So how many people have George W. Bush and Barrack Obama killed through complicity?

Blanquist
2nd June 2012, 17:55
Probably spend the rest of his life in a luxury hospital villa with the best doctors and open to any guests.

Cheung Mo
2nd June 2012, 18:07
He belongs in a torture chamber suffering in agony with his Israeli and American co-conspirators.

GPDP
2nd June 2012, 19:28
Are we done with the bloodlust yet?

Mubarak is a bastard, but let's not stoop to his level. Life in prison is a fitting sentence, considering the man is old and probably has not much time left anyway. I'm not sure I feel comfortable wanking to fantasies of torturing the man like some of you are, but hey, whatever increases your e-peen.

RadioRaheem84
2nd June 2012, 22:05
The imperialists love to drop their dictator puppets when their old and worn out their use. Shoving old men into jails for crimes committed on behalf of even greater foes just doesn't strike me as a major victory.

He deserves to be in jail but there is something unsatisfying about Mubarek being in jail but NATO still being allowed to carpet bomb cities for zealot rebels in Libya.

I don't know what it is about when tin pot despots get thrown in jail, it just doesn't ring as true justice for me.

Cheung Mo
2nd June 2012, 23:50
The imperialists love to drop their dictator puppets when their old and worn out their use. Shoving old men into jails for crimes committed on behalf of even greater foes just doesn't strike me as a major victory.

He deserves to be in jail but there is something unsatisfying about Mubarek being in jail but NATO still being allowed to carpet bomb cities for zealot rebels in Libya.

I don't know what it is about when tin pot despots get thrown in jail, it just doesn't ring as true justice for me.

I "love" seeing people on the left who brag about how much they despise Gadaffi. I've seen comparisons to Kim Jong-il, Robert Mugabe, and even Pol Pot when any objective analysis of the material conditions in Libya make it clear that he's about the best leader Africa's ever had and that the quality of life in Libya was better than in much of post-Soviet Eastern Europe. Sometimes I even wonder if some of the atrocities were planted, much like CNN's Kuwaiti baby massacre fraud in the run-up to Desert Storm.

Sinister Cultural Marxist
3rd June 2012, 00:05
Too bad King Abdullah, President Saleh, President Assad, King Khalifa, President Maliki and these other goons aren't going to join him. The Arab world is still full of petty autocrats unfortunately. EDIT-in fact, there may be a need to make room for the Brotherhood and the other forces which are currently building their power base in Tunisia, Libya, Egypt, Syria and Yemen once the people realize that they are little or no better than the tyrants who came earlier

The bigger news in Egypt actually seems to be the corrupt officials in Mubarak's regime who were deemed innocent more than Mubarak's sentence.


I "love" seeing people on the left who brag about how much they despise Gadaffi. I've seen comparisons to Kim Jong-il, Robert Mugabe, and even Pol Pot when any objective analysis of the material conditions in Libya make it clear that he's about the best leader Africa's ever had and that the quality of life in Libya was better than in much of post-Soviet Eastern Europe. Sometimes I even wonder if some of the atrocities were planted, much like CNN's Kuwaiti baby massacre fraud in the run-up to Desert Storm.

This is such a silly argument, Libya was sitting on crude which was easy to pump and they had a lot per capita. Mugabe might be an incompetent autocrat, but if he had as much oil as Gaddafi had then Zimbabwe would probably be a much nicer place to live too. There is an implicit Afro-Orientalism in the assumption that all African states are all naturally poor, and thus that any African leader who runs a country with less poverty must thus be a wise and benevolent leader.

Os Cangaceiros
3rd June 2012, 09:11
Saleh got it pretty good, though. Him getting his ass blown up mid-prayer in Yemen was definitely one of the better moments of the Arab unrest.

Jimmie Higgins
3rd June 2012, 09:28
Are we done with the bloodlust yet?

Mubarak is a bastard, but let's not stoop to his level. Life in prison is a fitting sentence, considering the man is old and probably has not much time left anyway. I'm not sure I feel comfortable wanking to fantasies of torturing the man like some of you are, but hey, whatever increases your e-peen.

I don't think it's bloodlust (at least not on the part of many Egyptians and many supporters on the left - the internet may be a little different tho :lol:). I'd be happy to accept "life-in-prison" if the context was different (the old regime having successfully regained some power and credibility in the mainstream) and the regime's henchmen weren't getting off the hook. In this context, it can only be interpreted by Egyptians as the government continuing the drag their feet and protecting the legitimacy of the old regime and allowing only Mubarak to take any blame and then only the minimum. If Mubarak, his sons and some generals all got life-in-prison, then that would be much more of a symbolic win for our side.

I'm not a fan of execution - because usually it's us on the receiving end (either legally as workers in US death-rows, or "us" illegally meaning lynched and murdered revolutionaries). But sometimes it's necessary and exceptions are appropriate - the French revolutionaries gave the King multiple benefits of the doubt and he used his luxury prison sentence to organize counter-revolution.

wsg1991
3rd June 2012, 09:39
I "love" seeing people on the left who brag about how much they despise Gadaffi. I've seen comparisons to Kim Jong-il, Robert Mugabe, and even Pol Pot when any objective analysis of the material conditions in Libya make it clear that he's about the best leader Africa's ever had and that the quality of life in Libya was better than in much of post-Soviet Eastern Europe. Sometimes I even wonder if some of the atrocities were planted, much like CNN's Kuwaiti baby massacre fraud in the run-up to Desert Storm.


gaddafi had a huge oil deposit , small population , this was a formula of building an excellent healthcare and education system . a similar condition Iraq in the 70ies managed to build outstanding health system and social services that was comparable to western Europe until 90ies , not to mention the best education system available in arab world . All of that because he had huge oil deposit

you would expect libya to have something Similar : it don't , actually Gaddafi social policies was primary handing money and supplies to Libyans , few infrastructure project , but with crappy education system , and hideous healthcare , how do i know that ? because i live in a city Close to Libyan borders were 80% of private clinics works with Lybians .

seventeethdecember2016
3rd June 2012, 10:51
Seeing that Egypt gets 300 million dollars a year in Military Aid, from the US, a few American lawmakers should also be extradited and imprisoned for life.

Also, does anyone know why he left Saudi Arabia?

Agathor
4th June 2012, 03:16
Seeing that Egypt gets 300 million dollars a year in Military Aid, from the US, a few American lawmakers should also be extradited and imprisoned for life.

Also, does anyone know why he left Saudi Arabia?

He never left Egypt. Ali fled to Saudi Arabia.

I'm going to make a dark prediction: The military will fix the upcoming elections for Mubarak's boy Shafiq, who will crush the subsequent protests with tanks and rifles, and either pardon Mubarak or ensure that his imprisonment is as luxurious as was his presidency.