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Dennis the 'Bloody Peasant'
1st June 2012, 14:32
Is there anything to the arguements put forward here? Particularly the Timmons' assurance that nothing's standing in women's way except themselves. Especially interested in the female perception.

"There is nothing to stop you being whoever or whatever you want to be. The only thing stopping you is you."
So says Emer Timmons, a businesswoman of 20 years' experience, promoted seven times in the past six years.
But figures gathered by BBC News show women still hold fewer than a third of the most senior positions in the UK.
In politics this figure plummets to a fifth, and it is even lower in the top 100 companies.
But if, as Ms Timmons argues, women now have a huge opportunity to succeed, why are they still largely invisible at the top table?
The 43-year-old president of BT Global Services UK believes there are so few lifestyle obstacles, it can only be down to the individual.
"Sometimes people still think they should be handed things - but they've just absolutely got to have more confidence in their abilities," says Ms Timmons, who is married with two step-children.

Diane Abbott MP was the lone female contender for the Labour leadership.
"I, as a woman, really agonised and thought 'Is this right?', and obviously all the other women in the party did too because I was the only one prepared to go for it, whereas the men who ran really didn't give it a second thought," she explains.
"Women tend to think of the reasons why they shouldn't do something, whereas men are not hindered by that level of introspection."

But barrister Cherie Blair believes men are subject to stereotyping too.
Men do not want to be cast as "the chap who goes hunting in the forest, brings home the bacon and has nothing to do with the bringing up of his children".
She adds: "The roles between the sexes are now much more fluid."

(Full article here - http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-18127469)

TheGodlessUtopian
1st June 2012, 15:23
What is the word I am looking for: bourgeois idealism? The businesswoman's claims ignore the material conditions present in society which are aggravated by capitalism: childcare, sexism, discrimination (racial, identity, orientation, etc) and so forth;under such demands how are other women suppose to devote as much time as she must in order to "rise above"?. She contends that because she was among the few who were lucky enough to be repeatedly promoted that it "must" be the same for all women overlooking the multitude of differences.

Simply silly. A rehash of the classical myths about "hard work" and talent.

Vladimir Innit Lenin
1st June 2012, 17:21
Indeed. The bourgeoisie, especially those who were not born into money, tend to use social mobility as a justification for saying 'anybody can make it'. Firstly this isn't true, it excludes the non-working poor and many of the poorest workers.

Secondly, saying 'anybody can make it' is not equated to saying 'everybody can make it'. It means there is space for the odd person to 'make it' into the bourgeoisie, but that, even if everybody took on this bourgeois idealism, only a few people would still make it.

It's misleading Capitalist propaganda at its best.

Anarcho-Brocialist
1st June 2012, 18:00
When she said the following :
"There is nothing to stop you being whoever or whatever you want to be. The only thing stopping you is you." .... Then when she said this :
"Sometimes people still think they should be handed things - but they've just absolutely got to have more confidence in their abilities," says Ms Timmons, who is married with two step-children. I couldn't help but laugh hysterically at her narrow-minded ignorance. This has been enunciated so many times.... as if it were true.... I just want to strangle myself.

The Jay
1st June 2012, 18:37
I, as a woman, really agonised and thought 'Is this right?', and obviously all the other women in the party did too because I was the only one prepared to go for it, whereas the men who ran really didn't give it a second thought,

This is some sexist drivel in and of itself within an article that denies sexism.

Le Rouge
1st June 2012, 19:04
"Women tend to think of the reasons why they shouldn't do something, whereas men are not hindered by that level of introspection."

WHAT!?!?!?!?!? Fuck whoever said this. Why the fuck that kind of sexist bullshit is within an Anti-Sexist article?

Ocean Seal
1st June 2012, 19:06
Yep I really hate arrogant businesswomen who think that just because they made it they can rectify the situation by asking women to sit in the front row of a business pep talk or something. As TGU said, bourgeois idealism.