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sickle
31st May 2012, 22:52
This might be a stupid question but when talking about Individualist anarchism, what is their emphasis on 'mutualism' which inter alia differs them from free-market liberals?

Tim Cornelis
31st May 2012, 23:21
Mutualism is based on collectively owned worker cooperatives as opposed to privately owned capitalist enterprises. Moreover, it eliminates interest by forming some kind of "credit union".

Caj
31st May 2012, 23:25
Not all individualists are mutualists. A lot of anarchist communists, for example, are simultaneously individualist anarchists.

TheAltruist
31st May 2012, 23:44
Not all individualists are mutualists.Right, for example, Benjamin Tucker was both an individualist and a socialist, but Murray Rothbard was an 'anarcho'-capitalist and individualist.


[A lot of anarchist communists, for example, are simultaneously individualist anarchists.

Not necessarily. While there are "anarchists without adjectives" that accept points from all schools, individualist anarchists and communist anarchists generally are part of different platforms.

Caj
1st June 2012, 00:13
Not necessarily. While there are "anarchists without adjectives" that accept points from all schools, individualist anarchists and communist anarchists generally are part of different platforms.

Some individualist anarchists recognize communism as in the interests of the individual.

Zav
1st June 2012, 00:16
Not necessarily. While there are "anarchists without adjectives" that accept points from all schools, individualist anarchists and communist anarchists generally are part of different platforms.
Insurrectionists like Goldman and Berkman were An-Coms and Anarcho-Individualists.

bcbm
1st June 2012, 00:25
goldman and berkman were part of the general move of anarchism towards insurrectionism in the late 19th century, but moved back towards a mass anarchist position along with the most of the movement by the end of the century. i also think the use of 'individualist anarchist' with them is misleading, as all mass anarchists, being anarchists, place a high value on individual liberty. 'individualist anarchist' is generally reserved for people like stirner or the bonnot gang, and some argue that these should just be considered individualists rather than anarchists, having come from a different background than bakunin and the first international which spawned anarchism.

Tim Cornelis
1st June 2012, 00:34
Not all individualists are mutualists. A lot of anarchist communists, for example, are simultaneously individualist anarchists.


Right, for example, Benjamin Tucker was both an individualist and a socialist, but Murray Rothbard was an 'anarcho'-capitalist and individualist.

Not necessarily. While there are "anarchists without adjectives" that accept points from all schools, individualist anarchists and communist anarchists generally are part of different platforms.


Some individualist anarchists recognize communism as in the interests of the individual.


Insurrectionists like Goldman and Berkman were An-Coms and Anarcho-Individualists.

You are all completely reinventing the meaning of "individualist anarchism." Within anarchism you have two branches: social anarchism and individualist anarchism. Social anarchism is generally characterised by market abolitionism, whereas individualist anarchism is characterised by its advocacy of markets.

An individualist anarchist can never be a communist. Individualist anarchists are the likes of Benjamin Tucker, Proudhon, Jossiah Warren, and arguably Stirner and Lysander Spooner.

Just because an anarcho-communist considers himself an individualist or egoist does not mean he is an individualist anarchist, he or she is simply an individualist and anarcho-communist.

Murray Rothbard was not an anarchist at all, neither individualist nor social, for his advocacy of wage-labour. Benjamin Tucker was indeed a socialist, but all individualist anarchists are socialists.

Individualist anarchism = cooperative economics + markets
Social anarchism = cooperative economics - markets

blake 3:17
1st June 2012, 02:06
...minor thread drift... Can anyone recommend writings on or by Stirner?

TheAltruist
1st June 2012, 02:07
Right, I should have been a little more clear when it comes to discerning individualism between individual liberty. That's what I was getting at though, so thanks.

bcbm
1st June 2012, 02:19
...minor thread drift... Can anyone recommend writings on or by Stirner?

'the ego and its own (http://www.lsr-projekt.de/poly/enee.html)' is his major work