Hands off Syria!

[Blanquist]

The media’s attempt to whip up public outrage over the Houla massacre, combined with the coordinated expulsion of Syrian diplomats by the major powers, are acts of brazen cynicism. Their aim is to legitimise the ongoing campaign of destabilisation by the Obama administration and its European and Middle-Eastern allies that is directly responsible for Houla and every other outrage perpetrated in Syria since the conflict began in 2011.

In the midst of such naked propaganda, workers and young people must above all maintain steadfast opposition to all calls for Western military intervention against Syria.

There is still no reliable account of what took place in Houla that would allow anyone to dismiss out of hand the Assad regime’s insistence that it played no part in the massacre and that it was the work of provocateurs. All witnesses so far are from the Sunni community and will have been vetted by the opposition leadership. Everything from casualty figures to the identity of victims—who are always portrayed as civilians rather than insurgents—is routinely exaggerated and misrepresented, as admitted by the United Nations’ own observers.

However, even if the account advanced by the opposition is wholly true—that most lives were lost due to sectarian murders committed by pro-regime Alawaite militias after initial shelling by the armed forces of opposition bases—Houla is only one terrible example of the innumerable atrocities taking place in Syria.
The exclusive focus on Houla divorces it from the daily acts of sectarian violence perpetrated by both sides, including kidnappings, torture, murders and car bombings in Damascus and elsewhere by al-Qaeda elements within the opposition that have claimed dozens of lives—55 in a single incident in Damascus on May 10 and over 40 in December last year.

Thousands have died on both sides and many more have been maimed or driven from their homes. Whatever crocodile tears are shed in the White House, Downing Street and the Élysée Palace, this is exactly what the Western powers counted on when they took the decision to fund and arm the Sunni insurgency last year.

The imperialist powers are past masters in manipulating religious, ethnic and tribal divisions in order to pursue a policy of divide and rule. In response to the fall of trusted client regimes in Tunisia and Egypt as a result of mass popular protest, they were determined to shape any subsequent political shifts in the strategically vital areas of North Africa and the Middle East. Where opposition threatened Western allies—in Egypt, Bahrain, Saudi Arabia—it would be opposed outright or channelled behind Sunni-based movements like the Muslim Brotherhood that could then be cultivated as a new regional power base in alliance with the Gulf regimes and Turkey. Alternatively, Sunni insurgents could be pitched against those regimes considered either unreliable, like Muammar Gaddafi’s in Libya, or too close to Iran, like Assad’s Syria.

Iran has always been the ultimate target of the machinations against Syria, along with the more general geo-strategic aim of curtailing the influence of Russia and China.

Talk of Syria’s “descent” into civil war and the statement by United Nations-Arab League envoy Kofi Annan that a “tipping point” has been reached are an insult to the collective intelligence of the world’s people. The major powers have been pushing for such an outcome since day one.

Syria’s insurgents were armed at the behest of Washington via its allies Saudi Arabia and Qatar, and organized around a base provided by Turkey. They were pitched against the Syrian Army in areas surrounding Deraa and Homs.

The plan was that Syria would be destabilized politically and, thanks to sanctions, ruined economically to the point where Assad would be forced to step down. Or, given the lack of popular support for a sectarian insurgency in Syria’s multi-faith urban areas such as Damascus and Aleppo, a proxy war might be mounted using the Arab League and Turkey as a possible front. Arguments continue within ruling circles over whether this course of action should now be taken using the pretext of Houla.

France’s newly elected Socialist Party President Francois Hollande, stepping into the shoes recently vacated by Nicholas Sarkozy, insists most strenuously that “Military intervention is not excluded provided it is carried out with respect to international law, meaning after deliberation by the United Nations Security Council.”

A politically despicable role is played on behalf of the imperialists by ex-left outfits such as Britain’s Socialist Workers Party, who reprise their role in Libya by portraying a Western-sponsored sectarian insurgency as a “revolution” carried out by the masses. As with Libya, they caution against Western military
intervention (as if this is not already taking place), while supporting bourgeois movements—the Syrian National Council, the Local Coordinating Committees and the Free Syrian Army—whose express aim is to provoke such an intervention.

In Syria, as elsewhere throughout the Middle East, everything depends upon overcoming the political domination of the masses by bourgeois forces, whether Islamist, nominally liberal or pseudo-left, which have allowed events to be dictated by the imperialists. This has already led to the election of an Islamist regime funded by Qatar in Tunisia, elections in Egypt that are also dominated by Islamists with the military still firmly in charge, and a bloody war in Libya that installed a pro-Western client regime.

The stakes are high. Syria’s escalating civil war and the growing threat of Western intervention raises the danger of a regional war, involving Iran on one side and Turkey and the Gulf monarchies on the other, which would tear the Middle East apart. It is up to the working class to do all in its power to prevent such an outcome.

The reactionary regimes in Riyadh, Doha, Cairo and Tunis are no less deserving than Syria’s Baathists of meeting their end. They must all be overthrown and replaced by socialist, anti-imperialist and genuinely democratic governments, uniting the working class and the rural masses irrespective of their religious or ethnic affiliations.

In the West a new anti-war movement is required that is likewise liberated from the stranglehold of the pseudo-lefts and liberals who are now, for the most part, transformed into open advocates of “humanitarian war”. The responsibility of workers and young people in America and Europe is to repudiate the cynical moral posturing of their own governments and to demand an end to their predatory designs on Syria and the rest of the Middle East.

Such a mass movement requires a new leadership that advances a strategy of world socialist revolution, the International Committee of the Fourth International.

Chris Marsden

http://wsws.org/articles/2012/may2012/pers-m31.shtml

[Prometeo liberado]

Your on one today Blanquist! Can't say where this may end but it will, good luck.

[wsg1991]

this is getting too far . didn't they understand chinese-Russian veto combo ?

the only loser in this conflict is the Syrian people

[Sinister Cultural Marxist]

Yes, hands off Syria. America's hands, Britain's hands, Israel's hands, and Assad's hands and Russia's hands too.

It is interesting how that article plays into the sectarianism of the conflict by discrediting witnesses of the events at Houla simply for being Sunnis. They take it for granted as a blanket statement that Sunnis hate the regime, while failing to do any analysis of why a portion of the Sunni population may have legitimately lost faith in the Assad government.

Also this seems like old-fashioned orientalism:


In Syria, as elsewhere throughout the Middle East, everything depends upon overcoming the political domination of the masses by bourgeois forces, whether Islamist, nominally liberal or pseudo-left, which have allowed events to be dictated by the imperialists. This has already led to the election of an Islamist regime funded by Qatar in Tunisia, elections in Egypt that are also dominated by Islamists with the military still firmly in charge, and a bloody war in Libya that installed a pro-Western client regime.

Everything depends on overcoming the political domination of bourgeois forces everywhere, they seem to act like false consciousness only exists in the middle east.

There is also still no analysis of why Assad's regime is tottering and there are many protests ...

[pastradamus]

Assad is butchering his own people. Children are making up most of his victims. Its normal people whom are suffering and not the "free syrian army" or whatever the hell it wants to be called.

Usually I would sit back and say "well its up to the syrian people to defeat its government".
But I cant really say that this time. A UN intervention is needed to, at the very least, protect refugee camps and assist people with food and medicine. Peoples lives are at risk and Kofi Annan isn't going to do shit about it. We need to a Bosnia here and not a Nato.

[pastradamus]

Yes, hands off Syria. America's hands, Britain's hands, Israel's hands, and Assad's hands and Russia's hands too.

It is interesting how that article plays into the sectarianism of the conflict by discrediting witnesses of the events at Houla simply for being Sunnis. They take it for granted as a blanket statement that Sunnis hate the regime, while failing to do any analysis of why a portion of the Sunni population may have legitimately lost faith in the Assad government.

Also this seems like old-fashioned orientalism:



Everything depends on overcoming the political domination of bourgeois forces everywhere, they seem to act like false consciousness only exists in the middle east.

There is also still no analysis of why Assad's regime is tottering and there are many protests ...

Its not even simply a Sunni/shia issue but its a tribal one as well. Assad's top officers are all realted to either him or his tribal ties so thats why there is such loyalty amongst its ranks. They used to tie peoples legs together and lash the sole of their feet until they bled out and that was 10 years ago as punishment for simply speaking out. Russia and China are every bit as bad as Assad's forces in my opinion. People are getting massacred and the two big juggernaughts are simply allowing this to happen in order to sell Syria more tools to kill more people. Its like saying who is worse; The Mafia boss or the Hitman?

[Vladimir Innit Lenin]

Assad is butchering his own people. Children are making up most of his victims. Its normal people whom are suffering and not the "free syrian army" or whatever the hell it wants to be called.

Usually I would sit back and say "well its up to the syrian people to defeat its government".
But I cant really say that this time. A UN intervention is needed to, at the very least, protect refugee camps and assist people with food and medicine. Peoples lives are at risk and Kofi Annan isn't going to do shit about it. We need to a Bosnia here and not a Nato.

The UN won't intervene. Was reading a book on development and got to a bit last night where it stated that UN member states who contribute members to its peacekeeping forces are paid $1000 per soldier per month on active duty. Obviously, they send a great deal of them to places where there's no fighting, as they have an incredible economic incentive to not allow their soldiers to die. That's why nobody went to Rwanda during the genocide.

It's times like this I really do despise the Capitalist system for its absolute failure to put together a dependable, neutral, quasi-military peacekeeping force that can be relied upon to ONLY keep the peace and then fuck off when the job is done. That they have not, and that they cannot, is the only reason I really (with a heavy heart) cannot support a UN intervention.

[Imposter Marxist]

Usually I would sit back and say "well its up to the syrian people to defeat its government".
But I cant really say that this time. A UN intervention is needed...

Indeed! the UN must defeat the evil state capitalist fat cats in syria who are murdering children and probably worse!

[KingoftheSwing]

Assad is butchering his own people. Children are making up most of his victims. Its normal people whom are suffering and not the "free syrian army" or whatever the hell it wants to be called.
I totally agree

What do you guys think could be a solution to the Syria-conflict? I know all leftists say no to a military intervention, so do i by the way, but something has to be done right? Just a while ago a belgian history teacher came back from Syria where he was held captive for a few days. Before that he still defended Assad and was way against any form of intervention. Now he came back, was clearly shocked by what he saw in the prison (torture and rape by Assad's soldiers) and now he really screams for an intervention. He said over all his trips to the middle east he'd never seen such cruel violence and oppression. I think it's clear now the violence is not gonna stop, but what are the alternatives for a military intervention? Maybe an evacuation of cities like Homs and Damascus and keep the people safe in refugee camps? Although it seems kinda paternalising too and how can you force people to leave their homes...

[Sasha]

There is still no reliable account of what took place in Houla that would allow anyone to dismiss out of hand the Assad regime’s insistence that it played no part in the massacre and that it was the work of provocateurs. All witnesses so far are from the Sunni community and will have been vetted by the opposition leadership. Everything from casualty figures to the identity of victims—who are always portrayed as civilians rather than insurgents—is routinely exaggerated and misrepresented

wow, that must be some cynical provacateurs, slitting the troats of more than 50 of their own kids including baby's... but hey, you know how those Sunni (read "MUSLIMS!!!") are, or at least thats what you seem to imply... and yeah those 50 kids where really insurgents, really small insurgents by the ample video and photo evidence we have seen... and the 11 year old boy survivor of the massacre that saw his whole family getting butchered who we saw on television? who said, like all survivors, it was the shabiha militia (assad clan loyal militia), lying "sunni" vetted by the oposition leadership huh.
because these people really have a incentive to lie about who massacared their loved ones....

and all the international reporters and humanitarian iad workers who say that the rebel held area's are packed with refugees and the goverment held area's deserted. liars, provacateurs and muslims as well?

i dont have a solution either but this kind of disgusting deliberate delusional statements just to desparetly uphold the sanctity of your anti-impy religion is a disgrace to the international left and i will welcome they day the last self-described anti-imp kicks the bucket...

[El Oso Rojo]

Assad is butchering his own people. Children are making up most of his victims. Its normal people whom are suffering and not the "free syrian army" or whatever the hell it wants to be called.

Usually I would sit back and say "well its up to the syrian people to defeat its government".
But I cant really say that this time. A UN intervention is needed to, at the very least, protect refugee camps and assist people with food and medicine. Peoples lives are at risk and Kofi Annan isn't going to do shit about it. We need to a Bosnia here and not a Nato.

Moon is the UN Secretary now, not Kofi. And sir are you caliing for a bourgeois insitution to intervine?

[khad]

Moon is the UN Secretary now, not Kofi. And sir are you caliing for a bourgeoise insitution to intervine?
The adjectival form of bourgeoisie is bourgeois.

[Bronco]

We've only really got a murky picture of this conflict, do we know for certain the rebels are entirely blameless? Most of the dead were killed from close range in an area where there's a strong rebel presence and they've been known to carry out atrocities..

[Sasha]

We've only really got a murky picture of this conflict, do we know for certain the rebels are entirely blameless? Most of the dead were killed from close range in an area where there's a strong rebel presence and they've been known to carry out atrocities..

from people i know with civilian conections on the ground in the largely neutral christian comunity there have been some revenge attacks by sunni millitia's on alawi communities but that are mostly kidnappings to have hostages to trade for captured oppostion supporters and even those attacks are activily opposed by the "Local Co-ordination Committees" who comprise the bulk of the opposition (contrary to wat both the anti-imps and the imperialists want us to believe. here is a usefull article in which they are discussed; http://www.marxist.com/in-defence-of-the-syrian-revolution-the-marxist-perspective.htm).
for now it seems that the atrocities on the opposition side are mostly the occasional carbombing in damascus, contrary to the massacre in houla and what the O.P. claims those are in fact heavily disputed and contain strong indications they are perpetrated by provacateurs, either the assad regime itself (likely) or foreign "al-qaida" related salafist groups (un-likely as esp in damascus assad has an extremely effective security and inteligence apparatus, besides a soeni takeover in syria is in the geo-political interests of the saoedi-arabian regime, exactly the regime that is supposed to be the primary enemy of al-qaida)

[erupt]

i dont have a solution either but this kind of disgusting deliberate delusional statements just to desparetly uphold the sanctity of your anti-impy religion is a disgrace to the international left and i will welcome they day the last self-described anti-imp kicks the bucket...
Personally, and I'm sure I'll be called a troll for this, I think many of us Leftists, in general, twist Western imperialism (this does not mean I condone it in anyway, however.) Furthermore, in my opinion, we Leftists somehow condone certain pseudo-socialist regime imperialisms and immoral land grabs by varying national liberation movements, etc. We, and when I say we I'm referring to communists, socialists, anarchists, and others involved in the labor and socialist movements, must get across to anyone they can that we must quit competing for land as a biological species. We must criticize all imperialism.

We're all supposed to understand land is not a commodity; it can only be owned in theory. Therefore, any territorial disagreements, imperialistic land grabs, or post-warfare cartographic rearrangements are theoretical and regressive for international socialism.

Now feel free to start the shit flinging of me being not dogmatic enough, or too dogmatic, or not opposed to who I should be, or opposed to someone I shouldn't be.

[Vladimir Innit Lenin]

Personally, and I'm sure I'll be called a troll for this, I think many of us Leftists, in general, twist Western imperialism (this does not mean I condone it in anyway, however.) Furthermore, in my opinion, we Leftists somehow condone certain pseudo-socialist regime imperialisms and immoral land grabs by varying national liberation movements, etc. We, and when I say we I'm referring to communists, socialists, anarchists, and others involved in the labor and socialist movements, must get across to anyone they can that we must quit competing for land as a biological species. We must criticize all imperialism.

We're all supposed to understand land is not a commodity; it can only be owned in theory. Therefore, any territorial disagreements, imperialistic land grabs, or post-warfare cartographic rearrangements are theoretical and regressive for international socialism.

Now feel free to start the shit flinging of me being not dogmatic enough, or too dogmatic, or not opposed to who I should be, or opposed to someone I shouldn't be.

No, you're not a troll, and don't let anybody else call you as such. You've called it absolutely right. We are not moralists, we are not anti-American. We are against imperialism, all imperialism. All imperialism is equal and yes, some is 'more' equal than others (if you get what I mean), but all imperialism is dangerous, just as all Capitalism is dangerous whether it is social democratic or neo-conservative.

[campesino]

this hypothesis is very black and white and simple and doesn't take into account very many intricacies.

If the Free Syran Army takes control, there will be genocide and human rights abuses against the Alawites. here comes the Islamic Republic of Syria

If the baath party stays in power a military council will take over the role Assad had, massacre sunni militants, and start a process of de-alawization(remove Alawis from positions of power) and anti-corruption.

[danyboy27]

I despise the Assad Governement but i dont think that any kind of intervention will really fix anything.

On a global avearge, foreign intervention always end up with more civilian killed than saved, even the goddamn U.N is unable to do humanitarian work without having their own members transmitting cholera or smuggling seized weapon to the perpetrator of war crimes.

there are many reasons why most intervention fail to help but there are 2 that really stand out to explain that.

1. Nationalism. Obviously countries dont do shit bu pure goodness of heart and self-interest will always trump potential civilian casualities.

2. governements and their armies have no fucking clues what they are doing most of the time oversea, they seem unwilling and unable to understand the complexities of the societies they are dealing with.

Its not that i dont want Assad to stop slaughtering Syrians, i just dont think with the current political and economical systems in place that its actually possible to do it in a manner that will avoid further mess down the road.

[Sasha]

already referenced in my post above but since they also wrote a follow up article and in light of the despicable O.P. i guess it more than deserves its own post;

http://www.marxist.com/in-defence-of-the-syrian-revolution-the-marxist-perspective.htm
http://www.marxist.com/in-defence-of-the-syrian-revolution-the-marxist-perspective-2.htm

now as people know i'm far from being a IMT supporter (or have any love for trotskyism in general) but these are usefull articles that while i find lack on analysis and presented solutions at least in reported facts mirror what i hear from people i know in paxchristi that are in contact with ordinary syrians on the ground.
worth the read.

[Prometeo liberado]

The adjectival form of bourgeoisie is bourgeois.

This is the level that the thread has succumb to? Where is the grumpyness of mari3l when you need it most? Calgon, take me away!!!

[KingoftheSwing]

Moon is the UN Secretary now, not Kofi. And sir are you caliing for a bourgeoise insitution to intervine?
Moon is the current UN secretary but Anan is doing the negotiations in Syria, probably because Anan and Assad know eachother better (i guess).

[El Oso Rojo]

The adjectival form of bourgeoisie is bourgeois.

Thank for the reminder, it was a typo.

[El Oso Rojo]

Moon is the current UN secretary but Anan is doing the negotiations in Syria, probably because Anan and Assad know eachother better (i guess).

Oh okay, thanks for the information. Due to school I wasn´t able to keep up with the news like I am suppose to.

[Welshy]

http://www.reuters.com/article/2012/05/31/us-syria-crisis-investigation-idUSBRE84U0VZ20120531

To those who dismiss this right off the bat for being from the Syrian government, I have to ask why then do you take western sources at face value? The west has a strong interest in pushing for its POV on this incident, why should theirs be taken as truth and the Syrian government to be distrusted?

[Prometeo liberado]

Oh okay, thanks for the information. Due to school I wasn´t able to keep up with the news like I am suppose to.

This may account for some, if not most of your posts. Not an excuse but a reason none the less. You make this sooo easy for me.

[TheGodlessUtopian]

Wow... people here openly advocating for intervention in Syria. Interesting development. I guess that means I can advocate for intervention in Uganda when the fundementalists there seize absolute power and send all the queers to death camps.

[Prometeo liberado]

Wow... people here openly advocating for intervention in Syria. Interesting development. I guess that means I can advocate for intervention in Uganda when the fundementalists there seize absolute power and send all the queers to death camps.

No it does not mean that. Your analysis should not be based on others reactionary beliefs. Beliefs based almost entirely on absolutely no knowledge of the power dynamics and motives of what is actually happening on the ground there. Some are calling it the El Salvadorian answer to the problem. Increasingly arming radical groups with questionable allegiances to increase the overall level of violence is nothing new. That is unless you are not in the habit of forming your own independent views taking into account the history of all belligerents involved and there methods. Or maybe I'm over thinking the situation.

[TheGodlessUtopian]

No it does not mean that. Your analysis should not be based on others reactionary beliefs. Beliefs based almost entirely on absolutely no knowledge of the power dynamics and motives of what is actually happening on the ground there. Some are calling it the El Salvadorian answer to the problem. Increasingly arming radical groups with questionable allegiances to increase the overall level of violence is nothing new. That is unless you are not in the habit of forming your own independent views taking into account the history of all belligerents involved and there methods. Or maybe I'm over thinking the situation.

I was being sarcastic. lol

[Prometeo liberado]

I was being sarcastic. lol

So I was over thinking the situation! Told ya!

[El Oso Rojo]

So I was over thinking the situation! Told ya!

you on my ingore list because keep on being a douchebag.

[Prometeo liberado]

you on my ingore list because keep on being a douchebag.

Maybe there is a God.

[wsg1991]

wow, that must be some cynical provacateurs, slitting the troats of more than 50 of their own kids including baby's... but hey, you know how those Sunni (read "MUSLIMS!!!") are, or at least thats what you seem to imply... and yeah those 50 kids where really insurgents, really small insurgents by the ample video and photo evidence we have seen... and the 11 year old boy survivor of the massacre that saw his whole family getting butchered who we saw on television? who said, like all survivors, it was the shabiha militia (assad clan loyal militia), lying "sunni" vetted by the oposition leadership huh.
because these people really have a incentive to lie about who massacared their loved ones....

and all the international reporters and humanitarian iad workers who say that the rebel held area's are packed with refugees and the goverment held area's deserted. liars, provacateurs and muslims as well?

i dont have a solution either but this kind of disgusting deliberate delusional statements just to desparetly uphold the sanctity of your anti-impy religion is a disgrace to the international left and i will welcome they day the last self-described anti-imp kicks the bucket...

don't get too emotional , i might believe 50 insurgency members tortured to death ( assad style ), but this is way off norm , i simply don't see the point , why Bachar would do that , it makes absolutely no sense ,

you should probably remember the incubator\ Kuwait \ golf war , and that **** trained to lieVu8CCJTJCQk


fVE8rV3-Zos

all what i am trying to say this might be a set up ,
i want to add to Lebanon has been pressured lately to forced it to allow arms to go to Syria

we all agree Assad should go , but an armed Islamists fundamentalists militia supported By western power and theire regional puppet is not the answer , look what became of Libya , Imagine what would became of more diversed ethnics \ religion country

[Sasha]

don't get too emotional , i might believe 50 insurgency members tortured to death ( assad style ), but this is way off norm , i simply don't see the point , why Bachar would do that , it makes absolutely no sense ,

no sense, you dont see that terror is one of the primary ways that a minority (in the case of the alawi sect the 12% and that is inculding al kinds of strains the assad clan is hostile too) keeps a majority under the tumb?
and anyway, already in 1982 bashars uncle masacared 10.000 to 40.000 people in hama and the syrian secret service for decades consequently rank in the most brutal list way above even libya, iran and egypt, so it is all not really out of character now is it... oh right, more imperialist lies...


you should probably remember the incubator\ Kuwait \ golf war , and that ***** trained to lieVu8CCJTJCQk

i remember, so what, also have a infraction for sexist language...

[QUOTE]
all what i am trying to say this might be a set up ,
i want to add to Lebanon has been pressured lately to forced it to allow arms to go to Syria
yes that is wrong but that also is a bit rich to be upset about considering that lebanon was occupied by syria for over 40 fucking years...



we all agree Assad should go , but an armed Islamists fundamentalists militia supported By western power and theire regional puppet is not the answer , look what became of Libya , Imagine what would became of more diversed ethnics \ religion country

a. the FSA is in majority NOT islamist fundametalist, its the brutal surpresion of the populair uprising and the refusal of the rest of the world to support said uprising with logistics, money and weapons that gives the jihadists a foot in the door.
b. the FSA was formed in self-defence by army deserters refusing to kill their fellow syrians after the brutal surpression of the non-violent uprising by the anti-sectarian Local Coordination Committees.
c. what western-power and their regional puppet are you talking about? because both the US was and israel still is more than happy to let Assad stay. Turkey and Saoedi-arabia vs Iran are the major "hidden" players in this conflict, for the west/israel the assads where the reliable dictators that they loved to have kept in place.

[wsg1991]

no sense, you dont see that terror is one of the primary ways that a minority (in the case of the alawi sect the 12% and that is inculding al kinds of strains the assad clan is hostile too) keeps a majority under the tumb?
and anyway, already in 1982 bashars uncle masacared 10.000 to 40.000 people in hama and the syrian secret service for decades consequently rank in the most brutal list way above even libya, iran and egypt, so it is all not really out of character now is it... oh right, more imperialist lies...

[QUOTE]you should probably remember the incubator\ Kuwait \ golf war , and that ***** trained to lieVu8CCJTJCQk

i remember, so what, also have a infraction for sexist language...


yes that is wrong but that also is a bit rich to be upset about considering that lebanon was occupied by syria for over 40 fucking years...



a. the FSA is in majority NOT islamist fundametalist, its the brutal surpresion of the populair uprising and the refusal of the rest of the world to support said uprising with logistics, money and weapons that gives the jihadists a foot in the door.
b. the FSA was formed in self-defence by army deserters refusing to kill their fellow syrians after the brutal surpression of the non-violent uprising by the anti-sectarian Local Coordination Committees.
c. what western-power and their regional puppet are you talking about? because both the US was and israel still is more than happy to let Assad stay. Turkey and Saoedi-arabia vs Iran are the major "hidden" players in this conflict, for the west/israel the assads where the reliable dictators that they loved to have kept in place.
the assad was never the reliable dictator for USA . it's more like the reliable ally for Russia since cold war (Russia has a military base in syria )
you do remember that ? i found the massive media cover + the western pressure on Lebanon lately , drills in Jordan + plus the arrival of new anti tank system that could easily penetrate Syrian T72 frontal armor , sorry but unlike you i fails to see it like a coincidence . assad blame it on opposition , opposition blame it on assad .

Lebanese wanted to stay neutral , lately , riots happened in Lebanon , with several gun shot injury . although this did not last more than 2 days , all golf countries (exclusively) asked their citizens to not go there , basically that means lot less tourism this summer


more imperialists lies ? all what i am proposing was in the norm , happened before , not something new , coincidentally before any military action to gain support . i expect something major to happens soon accidentally


i know the political composition of the of FSA , those armed guys are majorly Fundamentalists , that's the only type Saudi Arabia produce , btw recently some Tunisians ' help ' were captured by Assad regime ,

i did make the mistake of supporting Nato attack on Libya , now look what became of it .
Syria has many ethnics groups , Sunni , Shi'ite , Kurds and Christians ...
i think you know that several ethnic accidents happened lately , it would became a civil war for decades .

[ckaihatsu]

[EmergencyResponseforUSAttackonIranorSyria] Step up work to oppose U.S. govt threats against Syria and Iran




Since the U.S. government has been increasingly threatening Syria with regime change-- which will mean a blood bath of the type we have seen in Afghanistan, Iraq, and Libya, how about if we begin to step up our work to oppose this and mobilize more opposition to it?

As we know the U.S. has been trying to tighten the screws on the Syrian government step by step-- increasing disinformation and demonization, threatening even more sanctions, arming the opposition with ever more powerful weapons such as anti-tank weapons, and, according to some reports, even have boots on the ground at least in the form of British troops.

The March 19th Coalition will set up a special bullhorning and leafleting to oppose U.S. and its NATO coalition threats against Iran and Syria tomorrow (Friday) at 11 a.m. downtown. And we would expect to be doing this again soon. If you would be willing and able to join in, please let us know and we will make arrangements to meet with you. A copy of the leaflet we will distributing is pasted in below. We also urge you to check out the web site response-to-us-attack-iran-syria.weebly.com if you have not done so already. --Neal



Oppose U.S. War Moves Against Syria and Iran

We Don’t Want Endless Wars for U.S. Empire

The U.S. is once again committing the crime of threatening war, now against Syria and Iran. President Obama has repeatedly said that direct military action “is not off the table.” The aim seems clear: regime change, to replace governments that do not toe the U.S. line.

Neither the government of Iran nor Syria has threatened or attacked the U.S., while the U.S. government has paid and armed opposition forces in both countries and lined up U.S. and NATO military forces for war. The U.S. and NATO members have imposed economic sanctions on both countries in an attempt to weaken them.

Let us not forget the international principle of the sovereignty of nations--the right of any country not to be attacked by the big imperialist powers and to determine their own affairs (as stated in the UN Charter, which the U.S. and NATO countries have signed on to). The responsibility of the people here in the U.S. is to stand against U.S. government aggression abroad (and at home). Whatever any of us may think about other governments or their political systems and culture, it is our duty to hold back the bloody hands of the U.S. government.

What the corrupt U.S. warmongers have in mind is to have complete control of the Middle East and its oil, and embark on dangerous confrontations with China and Russia to compete with them for profits and power. The U.S. banksters and corporations that run the government--the 0.001%,--require war and occupation for their profits, while expecting us to pay for and face the consequences of their reckless, lawless adventurism.

Let’s note that the U.S. government promotes various excuses and lies to justify attacks on Iran and Syria, just as it did in earlier years against Vietnam or Iraq, to justify wars against those countries.

On Iran, the U.S. keeps insisting, without evidence, that the Iranian nuclear program is for more than producing electricity. This is complete hypocrisy for the U.S. and Israel-- its client state--to create hysteria about Iran’s nuclear plants and intentions in the Middle East. Both have nuclear weapons and a history of aggression. After all, the U.S., not Iran, is guilty of attacking Iran’s neighbors--Iraq, Afghanistan, Pakistan, Yemen, Libya, etc., none of which had attacked the U.S. Iran has never invaded or threatened to invade the U.S. or any other country.

On Syria, the U.S. demonizes the head of state with unproven assertions about who is attacking civilians, and suppresses information from Wikileaks and other sources about how the U.S. has secretly paid various forces to create an opposition to the government. This is the same scenario the U.S. and NATO mounted about Libya to justify the recent U.S. slaughter and destruction in that country.

We the people need to oppose the U.S./NATO war moves against Syria and Iran, as well as against other countries in the world. We opposed the war making NATO summit held in Chicago May 20. NATO attacks on other countries are attacks on the interests of the great majority of the American people. In general, we need to establish a democracy here--of, for, and by the people, with a peace and justice agenda, and recognition of our rights to quality jobs for all, healthcare, education, housing; and our right to speak and assemble.


PREPARE TO JOIN AN EMERGENCY RESPONSE AT 5 p.m. AT FEDERAL PLAZA IF THE U.S. OR ANY OF ITS PROXIES MOUNTS AN OPEN MILITARY ATTACK ON IRAN OR SYRIA before noon on any day, and at 5 p.m. the next day if the attack begins after noon. See the Emergency Response web site, including a sign-up for the Emergency Response network:
response-to-us-attack-iran-syria. weebly.com

This leaflet is from the March 19th Anti-War Coalition--
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