Chávez' cancer is, reportedly, in the end stage

[eyeheartlenin]

"This reporter has been told that Venezuelan President Hugo Chavez has metastatic rhabdomyosarcoma, an aggressive cancer that has 'entered the end stage.' The information and the quote come from a highly respected source close to Chavez and who is in a position to know his medical condition and history. This source says the prognosis is dire and that Chavez is now not expected to live "more than a couple of months at most.... "

Read the whole story, reported by Dan Rather, at:

http://news.yahoo.com/report--chavez-s-cancer-has--entered-the-end-stage-.html

[Conscript]

I can't decide if this is a good thing or a bad thing.

[El Oso Rojo]

I can't decide if this is a good thing or a bad thing.

You are not human, why would you say that?

[RedAnarchist]

I can't decide if this is a good thing or a bad thing.

Noone deserves cancer, and noone deserves to die of it. It's something we can all suffer and die from, and it is something we all will experience in some way during our lives, whether we suffer from it ourselves, or if someone we know and/or love suffers from it.

[Ned Kelly]

'the dictator'...

[Zostrianos]

"Dictator"?! It wouldn't surprise me if Faux News said bullshit like that, but Dan Rather? Really?

[Lobotomy]

it will be interesting to see how his death affects the upcoming elections.

[Qavvik]

I can't decide if this is a good thing or a bad thing.
What?

Politics aside, no one deserves to die such a horrible death. Cancer is possibly one of the worst, and usually extremely drawn out ways to go. I hope he at least doesn't suffer much if this set of test results really are as bad as initially seen.

[wsg1991]

a good man did his job , dramatically improved social condition there ,
inspired similar movements \ left a strong active poor class
did one of most epic moment in modern history when he survived the coup attempt
he will die when his system still functioning at his best

people face death sooner or later ,
although i wished something less painful than cancer .
but there is much worst things could happen to people than dying by cancer
dying by Tetanus for example ( no longer possible )
destruction of frontal lobe ( which would make you an animal )



i should thank him for Hegemony or survival , an excellent book

[Obs]

"Dictator"?! It wouldn't surprise me if Faux News said bullshit like that, but Dan Rather? Really?
Hey, Jon Stewart called him a demagogue. Don't overestimate liberals.

[Conscript]

Noone deserves cancer, and noone deserves to die of it. It's something we can all suffer and die from, and it is something we all will experience in some way during our lives, whether we suffer from it ourselves, or if someone we know and/or love suffers from it.

Not the cancer, just the implications of his death. I used to support chavez but I don't know about him anymore.

Maybe it was phrased wrong, but I was saying I don't know if I have something to lose.

[Prometeo liberado]

Sucks to be him. What sucks even more are the millions of workers who through sheer lack of funds sufer through this same fate with out the benefit of pain medicine or hope of treatment. What kind of human am I? What kind of Communist are you? The individual, above reproach but not above usurping the collective benefits of the latest advancements in science and medecine, is trivial for he offers nothing to the collective experiance of the working class. A reformer at best it is to ourselves and our class that we look to for leadership and liberation. Then it is our collective life we value and not a he who sits protected in his castle. The life of one is never greater than the life of millions, simple math. That's what kind of human I am. And you?

[wsg1991]

Sucks to be him. What sucks even more are the millions of workers who through sheer lack of funds sufer through this same fate with out the benefit of pain medicine or hope of treatment. What kind of human am I? What kind of Communist are you? The individual, above reproach but not above usurping the collective benefits of the latest advancements in science and medecine, is trivial for he offers nothing to the collective experiance of the working class. A reformer at best it is to ourselves and our class that we look to for leadership and liberation. Then it is our collective life we value and not a he who sits protected in his castle. The life of one is never greater than the life of millions, simple math. That's what kind of human I am. And you?

i am tired of those people playing ultimate super ultra left here

[Prometeo liberado]

i am tired of those people playing ultimate super ultra left here

What you should be tired of is this same, lame response on multiple threads. Spambot?

[TrotskistMarx]

Yeah he is human. Welcome to the reality of humans. Well, the other day I was chatting with a Trotskist in Facebook and he said that he wanted Chavez to die of cancer. Trotskists who are supposed to real nice people give a bad reputation to Trotsky. Many people think that just because a person is a leftist, he will automatically be a saint. Man, if all leftists of this world would be very honests and nice just by being leftists, then the Russian Revolution would've been a workers government, and not a state capitalist dictatorship


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You are not human, why would you say that?

[TrotskistMarx]

fuck the utopians who think that the world is a book. This world is not a book, not even karl marx, not even a lenin book. Ruling a society as complicated as latin america is not a piece of cake.

Face it folks we are all evil. All humans are corrupt and evil, and there is not perfect world, no utopian garden of eden. As evil and as corrupt as hugo chavez is, he is the lesser-evil of all evil presidents of this world.

I support the venezuelan revolution because i am a realist, not a utopian. The utopians would rather see capriles in power, because according to dogmatic orthodox utopian marxists, if the workers do not overthrow a capitalist government and nationalize all corporations, all businesses of a country under workers-control, then we shouldn't support that revolution. They have a black and white world view, a dogmatic, academic psychorigid world view.

[TrotskistMarx]

well he is right, ultra-leftists live in the World of Harry Potter. We have to be realists not utopian dreamers !!



What you should be tired of is this same, lame response on multiple threads. Spambot?

[cb9's_unity]

Sucks to be him. What sucks even more are the millions of workers who through sheer lack of funds sufer through this same fate with out the benefit of pain medicine or hope of treatment. What kind of human am I? What kind of Communist are you? The individual, above reproach but not above usurping the collective benefits of the latest advancements in science and medecine, is trivial for he offers nothing to the collective experiance of the working class. A reformer at best it is to ourselves and our class that we look to for leadership and liberation. Then it is our collective life we value and not a he who sits protected in his castle. The life of one is never greater than the life of millions, simple math. That's what kind of human I am. And you?

Care to actually give some analysis of Chavez. Yes, as socialists we all believe healthcare should be given to the working class as much as it can be. All of us want everyone in Venezuela to have healthcare as good as Chavez. It's sectarian nonsense to believe anyone here doesn't believe that.

It's a matter of how to go about doing things. Care to actually give us an analysis of what Chavez could have done better? Because all you've done is describe an ideal situation that is simply impossible to place into reality at this moment in Venezuela.

And as for Chavez getting better treatment. I have my problems with Chavez, but the people of Venezuela (and most importantly, its working class) voted for him to be the head of their state. If someone can get really good health treatment it should be the person Venezuelans themselves have said they want to lead their movement. The collective of Venezuela itself has placed importance in Chavez.

If you want to complain about Chavez complain about something specific he has done to prevent Venezuelans from getting healthcare. Just don't expect him to forgo the basic privileges of being the head of state, nobody in that position of power is ever going to do that (regardless of whether you think that power is legitimate).

[Blanquist]

He'll go down in history as one of the greats of latin america.

[Prometeo liberado]

Care to actually give some analysis of Chavez. Yes, as socialists we all believe healthcare should be given to the working class as much as it can be. All of us want everyone in Venezuela to have healthcare as good as Chavez. It's sectarian nonsense to believe anyone here doesn't believe that.

It's a matter of how to go about doing things. Care to actually give us an analysis of what Chavez could have done better? Because all you've done is describe an ideal situation that is simply impossible to place into reality at this moment in Venezuela.

And as for Chavez getting better treatment. I have my problems with Chavez, but the people of Venezuela (and most importantly, its working class) voted for him to be the head of their state. If someone can get really good health treatment it should be the person Venezuelans themselves have said they want to lead their movement. The collective of Venezuela itself has placed importance in Chavez.

If you want to complain about Chavez complain about something specific he has done to prevent Venezuelans from getting healthcare. Just don't expect him to forgo the basic privileges of being the head of state, nobody in that position of power is ever going to do that (regardless of whether you think that power is legitimate).

Read the thread carefully comrade. I don't care about trivial sentimentalities here. You wanna weep? Weep for the loss of lives that happen everyday under this criminal system. You people sound like a Percy Bysshe Shelly poem, Oh weep for Adonias, for he is dead. Weep oh Mother! Chavez is just one in a long line of reformers meeting his end. There will be plenty more so long as the working class places trust in anyone other than themselves.

[Ned Kelly]

Yeah he is human. Welcome to the reality of humans. Well, the other day I was chatting with a Trotskist in Facebook and he said that he wanted Chavez to die of cancer. Trotskists who are supposed to real nice people give a bad reputation to Trotsky. Many people think that just because a person is a leftist, he will automatically be a saint. Man, if all leftists of this world would be very honests and nice just by being leftists, then the Russian Revolution would've been a workers government, and not a state capitalist dictatorship


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*chatting with a Trotskyist

[Obs]

Face it folks we are all evil. All humans are corrupt and evil,
I love SPUSA.

[Vladimir Innit Lenin]

When I say to other members that the quality on this forum has seriously declined, this thread is typical of what I mean.

This thread could, perhaps should, be used to act human-like (I know that's difficult for some of you little Socialist warriors out there, doing revolution and all that via forums) and you know, have some sympathy for the bloke, on a person-to-person level. Cancer's a fucking horrible disease and the bloke isn't exactly old.

Secondly, this thread could be used as a discussion of the implications of either Chavez dying before the elections in Venezuela, or of him just being forced to retire from politics due to the health situation. Where will Venezuela go? Will they experience a moderate-right turn under the bureaucratic wing of Chavez' party, or will the conservative right wing win out? What will this mean for the strength and morale of the working class?

All good questions, none of which answered here. Instead, a thread of 'i love Chavez/i hate Chavez', 'let's be realists' and other 'whimsical' (and I use that word really, really loosely here) comments being made.

C'mon Revleft. This is meant to be a board for learning, political and theoretical discussion.

[wsg1991]

Read the thread carefully comrade. I don't care about trivial sentimentalities here. You wanna weep? Weep for the loss of lives that happen everyday under this criminal system. You people sound like a Percy Bysshe Shelly poem, Oh weep for Adonias, for he is dead. Weep oh Mother! Chavez is just one in a long line of reformers meeting his end. There will be plenty more so long as the working class places trust in anyone other than themselves.


you got some huge mistake here
Chavez is a person , not the entire government neither the party , he dies the party prevails and the blovarian revolution continues , it's simple fact you seems to miss

the thing i really like about chavez that is the closest thing to socialism we got on the REAL WORLD , in fact he is on the extreme left globally speaking .

i do support socialist revolution in one country , but Venezuela is not even a regional power , going further will have severe international consequence .
as you can see he had to rely on secondary Imperialist powers for protection from USA , a country in such fragile stat cannot go any further , that still relying on Imperialism for survival can't do much better

of course we can always play Ultra left , or talk rationally , and stay close to this Neo liberal , vicious system we live in , the one you are whining about ,


i would like to hear your 'rational' critic of his policies ,
you can start by his foreign policies which i know best ?
something you don't like ?

[Prometeo liberado]

going further will have severe international consequence

Revolution without consequences? By god no!


the thing i really like about chavez that is the closest thing to socialism we got on the REAL WORLD , in fact he is on the extreme left globally speaking .

Communist don't use as a level of success what the capitalist world will give us. We don't rejoice over less heavy chains because the world is full of heavier chains. You compromise and you get compromised liberation. This shouldn't have to be explained to you.

[wsg1991]

When I say to other members that the quality on this forum has seriously declined, this thread is typical of what I mean.

This thread could, perhaps should, be used to act human-like (I know that's difficult for some of you little Socialist warriors out there, doing revolution and all that via forums) and you know, have some sympathy for the bloke, on a person-to-person level. Cancer's a fucking horrible disease and the bloke isn't exactly old.

Secondly, this thread could be used as a discussion of the implications of either Chavez dying before the elections in Venezuela, or of him just being forced to retire from politics due to the health situation. Where will Venezuela go? Will they experience a moderate-right turn under the bureaucratic wing of Chavez' party, or will the conservative right wing win out? What will this mean for the strength and morale of the working class?

All good questions, none of which answered here. Instead, a thread of 'i love Chavez/i hate Chavez', 'let's be realists' and other 'whimsical' (and I use that word really, really loosely here) comments being made.

C'mon Revleft. This is meant to be a board for learning, political and theoretical discussion.

it would be nice if someone can give us a full idea about how his party is doing
the activity and organisation level of middle \ poor class ,
the power of trade union \ peasantry union there
any leftist alternatives ?

as Venezuela still a democratic system there is a chance of right wing government trying to privatize public sector or stop social spending
or deviation \ corrupt bureaucratic system going in the wrong direction

[pastradamus]

Im sorry but this thread has pissed me off greatly.

Firstly on a human level.

Relatives of mine currently have cancer. Family members/ Friends of mine have died from a type of cancer very simular to Hugo Chavez' current diagnosis. Its an awful and cruel way to go. He'll die slowly and extremely painfully and to make things rather even more horrid and disgusting, the far-right and Corporate news companies in the USA and at home in Venezuela will jeer him until his death. Assassinating the spirit of humanity totally.

On the otherhand, while I agree with the overall sentiment of "the Boss'" post (and duelly thanked him for it) I disagree that we should shy away from an analysis of his life, politics and achievements. I dont think we should refrain from commentating on what we think of him neither.

In my opinion Chavez is the greatest leader in Latin America for a long, long time. He has Nationalised a vast quantity of the Corporate wealth in Venezuela, He has raised the standards of the poor dramatically, he has institutionalised a decent national health care programme (not perfect but it aint finished yet) and many poor have seen a doctor for the first time in their lives because of him, He has stood up to US imperialism with his life on the line 24/7, He withstood an illegal Coup, His people ousted an unelected Corporate tyrant on behalf of the people, He has helped relieve the US trade embargo on Cuba, He has united the poor across latin America and has aided the dismantling of a US presence there, He helped Brazil and Argentina to escape the clutches of the IMF which in turn resulted in an economic recovery, He was instrumental in setting up "the bank of the south" with the view to replacing the IMF in Latin America, He and his party are responsible for an economic boom during the period of 2004-2007 by 11.5%, Venezuela was voted the "happiest country in the world" by the UN during his rule, He set up "Bolivarian missions" to school poor children across latin america, Instituted a food nutrition programme which has almost wiped out malnutrition, Instituted reading programmes for the Elderly and Young alike, Destroyed Food cartels in order to lower the cost of food for the poor, Demanded that many corporate hoardings be replaced by paragraphs from the constitution in order to inform the public, set up 6000+ food kitchens across the country, increased the food production of Venezuela by over 45%, Distributed reclaimed land to the poor, pushed the UN to supply greater aid to Haiti, won 11 elections in a row (all deamed democratic by the UN), paved the way for a leftist boom across latin america and still allows the right wing media to criticise him freely.

I've said this before...."what do you want from him?"

Maybe he dosent fit into some people's notions of perfect, he dosent sit perfectly with me neither, but this is a great leader. In 50 years time we'll look back on him with great admiration. The leftists today that worship the likes of Guevara cannot discount Chavez. So the "Café Communists" and "fashionable leftists" can go screw themselves with criticisms of this dieing man in my opinion. A cup of coffee and an a condecending nature do not change the lives of millions of people for the better.

I hope he can still be with us for some time yet.

Pastra.

[erupt]

Why do I not see any middle ground here?

It seems that some claim Chavez is a pan-Leftist, treats all Venezuelan citizens in an egalitarian, dignified manner, and is a revolutionary, through and through.

Others claim he just abused his military power to gain more power. They also claim the slums of Caracas, for example, have not improved in anyway. As a matter of fact, even though this is a little off-topic, I vaguely remember a thread about Chavez paying off rival street gangs in various slums in multiple cities.

Finally, it seems a third group of people opine that Chavez is nothing more than a reformist (not a revolutionary, heroic figure or a despotic dictator.)

I'd like to add that, unless the slum thread had any truth in it (unfortunately I couldn't read it, so I have no personal grasp on the situation,) I don't wish any sickness on anyone, especially something as aggressive and caustic as cancer.

[eyeheartlenin]

The following appeared on aporrea.org, as a rebuttal from Venezuela to an earlier report about the state of President Hugo Chávez' health:

"Statements are false and disrespectful"
They reject Dan Rather's report about President Chávez' health

Author: RNV/ Editing, The World, Economy and Business
Date of publication: May 30, 2012

May 30, 2012 – The writer, Eva Golinger, rejected the report of US journalist Dan Rather, who asserted that to the Chief of State, Hugo Chávez Frías, "there remain for him two months of life."

This, regarding the cancer that was diagnosed for the President last year, for which he has received treatment, even this year, both in Venezuela and in Havana, Cuba.

Through her Twitter account @evagolinger, the female internationalist indicated the following:

How disappointing that #DanRather promotes false info about Chávez' health. He echoes the lies and slander of Roger Noriega.

#Dan Rather not only promotes false info about Chávez' health, but he also slanders him, by calling him a "dictator." What a lack of ethics!

#DanRather says that Chávez is in a "terminal stage." Obviously, he did not see Chávez' 4 hour long LIVE channel yesterday! #LackofEthics.

#DanRather resembles the other media garbage collectors, looking for their scoop. Where are your ethics, Señor Rather? Check the facts before reporting them.

#DanRather should respect President Chávez' humanity, instead of promoting false info, to make headlines. #WhataDisgraceDanRather

[Spanish original at http://www.aporrea.org/medios/n206429.html]

[wsg1991]

"Café Communists"
.

LoL we use this same word right here to describe this kind of people right here ( i am an arab)

anyway , you missed a very important part , what could he do better in current world order ? and he did terribly wrong ?

one thing he did terribly wrong i believe is creating a strong presidential position , and his support to Gaddafi to the last moment .

[TheAltruist]

Poor Mr. Chavez. He may not have been the most perfect leader ever, but from what I've read, he really did care about his people, and made honest (and pretty successful) efforts to implement workers control of factories and financed worker co-ops.

[Die Neue Zeit]

^^^ And such state aid for coops is far more advanced than apolitical or anti-political coop fetishes, that's for sure.

[el_chavista]

Hey, "TrotskistMarx", have you heard of these anti-revleft and anti-Trotskyist Aporrea forum users: "ChavistaRD, elmarxista"? :rolleyes:

[Optiow]

That's so sad. It really is.

[REDSOX]

Seems to be that the article on Chavez by Dan rather is a pack of lies. There have been many lies about chavez from the corporate media over the years but this has article has no basis in fact at all, and it comes over as cheap and tawdry, and its rather a pity that people should post this filth on what is supposedly a revolutionary left discussion site. Until i see copper bottomed evidence as to the state of chavez health then i will not speculate about it whether it comes from Dan rather or not, and comrades should desist from it and stick to important issues facing the working class, but then again maybe some comrades grow tired of waiting for the revolution and just want to indulge in tittle tattle or as the Indians would call it Sari talk!!!.

And another thing anyone on these boards who calls Chavez a dictator is doing no-one any favours except bourgeois imperialist propagandists. The truth of the matter is he is the most democratic elected leader on the planet in a very democratic country. The national parliament is pluralist in composition, the judiciary is independent having ruled against chavez several times in recent years on key issues, and Hugo Chavez has been elected personally several times including surviving a recall referendum against his presidency in 2004. How many presidents have been subjected to that in bourgeois liberal societies? You can call Chavez many things and people on these boards have including nationalist, bonapartist, populist and yes socialist social democratic and communist too and he has his faults and has made mistakes but you cannot in all honesty call him dictator for if you do then i question not just your political outlook but maybe even your sanity.

Finally please stop believing bourgeois media coverage and treating it as fact, it is not Try independent media for facts as well as Russia Today or Press TV despite their faults they are better than the corporate media anyday. Just saying

[Robocommie]

Sucks to be him. What sucks even more are the millions of workers who through sheer lack of funds sufer through this same fate with out the benefit of pain medicine or hope of treatment. What kind of human am I? What kind of Communist are you? The individual, above reproach but not above usurping the collective benefits of the latest advancements in science and medecine, is trivial for he offers nothing to the collective experiance of the working class. A reformer at best it is to ourselves and our class that we look to for leadership and liberation. Then it is our collective life we value and not a he who sits protected in his castle. The life of one is never greater than the life of millions, simple math. That's what kind of human I am. And you?

Pretty nice rhetorical dress up for being a dick.

[Yuppie Grinder]

You are not human, why would you say that?

You wouldn't care if the prime minister of Britain were dying. You wouldn't care if the president of Japan were dying. Why would you care about any other bourgeois ruler?

Lol at this thread. I guess winning the sympathy of Marxists and anarchists when you're a bourgeois ruler is as simple as dressing yourself up in red flags.

[Robocommie]

You wouldn't care if the prime minister of Britain were dying. You wouldn't care if the president of Japan were dying. Why would you care about any other bourgeois ruler?

Lol at this thread. I guess winning the sympathy of Marxists and anarchists when you're a bourgeois ruler is as simple as dressing yourself up in red flags.

http://cdn.memegenerator.net/instances/400x/21290301.jpg

[tachosomoza]

"Dictator"?! It wouldn't surprise me if Faux News said bullshit like that, but Dan Rather? Really?

How the hell is Dan Rather still alive? You really shouldn't be surprised, American media is extremely biased when it comes to socialism, no matter how mild.

[El Oso Rojo]

You wouldn't care if the prime minister of Britain were dying. You wouldn't care if the president of Japan were dying. Why would you care about any other bourgeois ruler?

Lol at this thread. I guess winning the sympathy of Marxists and anarchists when you're a bourgeois ruler is as simple as dressing yourself up in red flags.

¨todo lo que diga sera al reves¨

[Yuppie Grinder]

http://cdn.memegenerator.net/instances/400x/21290301.jpg

Memes in place of an actual argument. Nice.

[Robocommie]

Memes in place of an actual argument. Nice.

Some things don't merit an actual response.

[Vladimir Innit Lenin]

Some things don't merit an actual response.

This isn't chit chat. It's a place for discussion, not memes.

[piet11111]

Nobody should die of cancer.

But it deeply worry's me that the Venezuelan revolution is so dependent on just 1 person.
If he did his duty to the Bolivarian revolution that would mean that he can be replaced without difficulty and that the movement will carry on without him that he threw out those that would harm the people and aided those that would help the people.

Time will tell how successful he was at his job but it will be a conclusion that has to be drawn when he is gone.

Personally i fear he did not do enough to empower the people.

*drunken posting*

[Yuppie Grinder]

Some things don't merit an actual response.

Me calling in to question your emotional attachment to a patriotic bourgeois ruler who just so happens to dress himself up in red sometimes deserves a response. If you're going to support Chavez you might as well support mainstream social democratic parties since the difference between Chavez and the likes of Hollande is purely one of presentation and lingo. Bourgeois leaders are bourgeois leaders. Genuine internationalists don't favor one over the other.

[Robocommie]

This isn't chit chat. It's a place for discussion, not memes.

I assure you, Boss, on the whole I have even less respect for this place than you do.


Me calling in to question your emotional attachment to a patriotic bourgeois ruler who just so happens to dress himself up in red sometimes deserves a response.

Insisting that I should take you seriously doesn't make it so.

[REDSOX]

Here is an article from venezuelan/american journalist Eva Gollinger which i think gives an accurate picture of the situation regarding Chavez's health, far better than Dan Rather or other tittle tattle and sewer gossip!!

http://venezuelanalysis.com/analysis/7025

[Lev Bronsteinovich]

Care to actually give some analysis of Chavez. Yes, as socialists we all believe healthcare should be given to the working class as much as it can be. All of us want everyone in Venezuela to have healthcare as good as Chavez. It's sectarian nonsense to believe anyone here doesn't believe that.

It's a matter of how to go about doing things. Care to actually give us an analysis of what Chavez could have done better? Because all you've done is describe an ideal situation that is simply impossible to place into reality at this moment in Venezuela.

And as for Chavez getting better treatment. I have my problems with Chavez, but the people of Venezuela (and most importantly, its working class) voted for him to be the head of their state. If someone can get really good health treatment it should be the person Venezuelans themselves have said they want to lead their movement. The collective of Venezuela itself has placed importance in Chavez.

If you want to complain about Chavez complain about something specific he has done to prevent Venezuelans from getting healthcare. Just don't expect him to forgo the basic privileges of being the head of state, nobody in that position of power is ever going to do that (regardless of whether you think that power is legitimate).
I don't really care about his personal privileges. He is a bonapartist, nationalist ruler. If the workers of Caracas rose up to form soviets and overthrow capitalism, his army and police would be sent out to attempt to crush them. Imperialist rulers hate him for all the wrong reasons -- because he tries to maintain some independence for his country. But some of the left's fatuous response to him is disturbing. He is on the wrong side of the class line, comrades.

[El Oso Rojo]

I don't really care about his personal privileges. He is a bonapartist, nationalist ruler. If the workers of Caracas rose up to form soviets and overthrow capitalism, his army and police would be sent out to attempt to crush them. Imperialist rulers hate him for all the wrong reasons -- because he tries to maintain some independence for his country. But some of the left's fatuous response to him is disturbing. He is on the wrong side of the class line, comrades.

Chavez just created a law that gives Venezueleans workers the right to fire their bosses. Now since i gave you that piece of news. I want you to fucking say that again what you said. Need of you people are doing nothing, it easy for you to ***** ***** ***** (don't give me the pc talk) and *****. Go there and look and talk to regular venezueleans instead of sitting in your damn coffee house ,*****ing.