Alex Collier(UFOlogist)

[seventeethdecember2016]

This guy is a freak, he did a 2 hour interview, in 1994, all about his run-ins with Aliens. I don't know if his stories are Authentic or not, but he makes it seem like his experiences are from memory. It really doesn't seem like he is lying, so he's either telling the truth or is crazy(which is likely the most correct of the two.)


You be the judge.


http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-8316692185126189734

[Sperm-Doll Setsuna]

If there are so called "hypnosis" involved, it's safe to say someone or other or for that matter media exposure has put the ideas into the head - it's quite interesting how these so called abduction stories and UFO-rubbish in general have a tendency to reflect cultural images (of aliens and surrounding details) and that this shapes the mission of the various aliens (in the 60's and 70's they were said to have wanted to save the world and help humanity, and today we have a dominance of the more sinister "end-of-the-world"-type scenarios that seems to reflect a hopelessness and resignation. The 50's stories often involved high-tech ideas and reflected future optimism. Today they often reflect abuse and despair. Speaks of the popular soul.

[Workers-Control-Over-Prod]

He's a dillusional capitalist. I wonder what his alien friends would do if we sent him to Gulag...

[Sperm-Doll Setsuna]

He's a dillusional capitalist. I wonder what his alien friends would do if we sent him to Gulag...

Not even the Raëlians would care, and they're not even aliens.

[ÑóẊîöʼn]

He's a dillusional capitalist. I wonder what his alien friends would do if we sent him to Gulag...

What on Earth for?!

[TheAltruist]

This is a very, very important day for me. I always knew that our governments were under the influence or control of reptilian creatures! We must unite against them!

[ÑóẊîöʼn]

This is a very, very important day for me. I always knew that our governments were under the influence or control of reptilian creatures! We must unite against them!

Sarcastic spam, or are you really that far gone?

[TrotskistMarx]

Hi, I do believe in extraterrestrials space-ships. Because the whole universe and space is just too big for us to be alone. However there are many videos and pictures of UFOs posted in the internet that are fake. And they discredit honest ufologists


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This guy is a freak, he did a 2 hour interview, in 1994, all about his run-ins with Aliens. I don't know if his stories are Authentic or not, but he makes it seem like his experiences are from memory. It really doesn't seem like he is lying, so he's either telling the truth or is crazy(which is likely the most correct of the two.)


You be the judge.


http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-8316692185126189734

[TheAltruist]

Sarcastic spam, or are you really that far gone?

No sorry, I was just being sarcastic. I haven't started believing that.

[DiaperGrandpa]

Oh, humans are very well capable of convincing themselves of things. Unfortunately, that interview offers no compelling evidence. :thumbdown:

[Tenka]

UFOlogy is kind of bunk. What is scientific about a discipline dedicated to the study of flying objects which are unidentified? Were anything genuinely to be learned about UFO's, a UFOlogist would be out of a job... or hobby. Most UFO's are commonplace objects, misidentified; those that genuinely are not readily identifiable by genuine experts call for the participation of more experts (meteorologists, physicists, etc.). Not of UFO hobbyists pretending to be scientists.

edit: also lol at how often they mean fantastic alien creatures when talking about UFO's, as if they don't know for what the acronym stands....

[Deicide]

The only slightly convincing evidence I've heard for flying saucers is the anecdotal evidence of Airforce pilots, from various different countries, that have chased flying saucers/triangles, after being sent out to intercept an unidentifiable object on radar.

I can recall one such incident during the 1970s. The Israeli airforce picked up a UFO over a no fly zone, it didn't respond, so they sent a f16 to intercept it. The pilot got to the object, but he couldn't do anything to it. He was ordered to destroy it, but his missiles didn't work. He also mentioned that the object could stop instantly in mid air and then instantly excelerate at speeds beyond the f16. He couldn't keep up, and the object eventually shot off and disappeared from radar. When he came back to base, U.S. officials and Israeli generals debriefed him. The pilot went on to have a successful career and got to quite a high rank.

It could be bogus. Who knows? Governments also keep files on UFO's. If they do in fact exist, I'm more inclined to believe it's high tech technology made by humans, not aliens. The guy in the video is a through and through nutjob though.

[Sperm-Doll Setsuna]

The only slightly convincing evidence I've heard for flying saucers is the anecdotal evidence of Airforce pilots, from various different countries, that have chased flying saucers/triangles, after being sent out to intercept an unidentifiable object on radar.


I don't think there is any doubt that, as such, there does exist unknown aerial phenomena not yet understood, just as there exists unknown life in the oceans. Most of the more credible reports are also more vague as to the nature of the observed objects (often unknown lights, etc).


It could be bogus. Who knows? Governments also keep files on UFO's. If they do in fact exist, I'm more inclined to believe it's high tech technology made by humans, not aliens.

Indeed, one of the primary reasons the U.S. and the Soviet Union had active gathering of sightings of unknown aerial phenomena was that they both knew that some of them were of their own experimental aircraft and various other experiments (a noteworthy observation of bizarre lights in the sky over Perm was for example caused by the launch of a test rocket sent into space).

[Crux]

honest ufologists.
Why am I not suprised? :laugh:

[Comrade Jandar]

"In fourth density we'll all be clairvoyants."

Fuck yeah.

[seventeethdecember2016]

The Andromedans only became so advanced because they achieve Communism in the 14th Age of Repolinkka.

[ÑóẊîöʼn]

Hi, I do believe in extraterrestrials space-ships. Because the whole universe and space is just too big for us to be alone.

That's a good argument for assuming that we aren't alone, but it's not a good argument for assuming that they're over here abducting rednecks.

Why?

Well for a start, it doesn't answer the question of how they're supposed to get here. The craft typically depicted in UFO lore are far too small to possess the titanic energies needed to cross the vast interstellar distances.

If we ever get visited by aliens for real, I would bet everything I own that we would see their massive interstellar ships coming from thousands of Astronomical Units (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Astronomical_unit) away.


However there are many videos and pictures of UFOs posted in the internet that are fake. And they discredit honest ufologists.

Which ones are the "real" ones?

Also, don't you find it just a tiny bit suspicious that despite the proliferation of cheap miniature cameras with things like zoom and autofocus capabilities, images of UFOs are still these grainy, shitty little images that might as well be smudges or other image artifacts?

When I was younger, I had a mild interest in UFO stuff since it was somewhat relevant to my still on-going passion for all things related to astronomy and space exploration. But these days I see it more as a human thing, especially after noticing the parallels between supposed encounters with alien beings (almost always suspiciously humanoid), and reports from earlier eras of people being taken on broomstick rides by witches or being spirited away by elves to the Fairy Kingdom. The phenomenon of sleep paralysis (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sleep_paralysis) also seems to explain some aspects of supposed alien encounters.

Nevertheless, I still think UFO lore is interesting, although obviously from a more skeptical perspective these days. Who knows, maybe something truly anomalous will one day appear in our skies, and we will learn something, even if it has nothing to do with aliens.

[NormalG]

Most of the guys on tv talking about this stuff appear too looney. But living in California, my family and I have seen some crazy unexplainable crafts in the skies, shape shifting and moving in ways we've never seen, on several different occasions.

[Tenka]

Nox:

Well for a start, it doesn't answer the question of how they're supposed to get here. The craft typically depicted in UFO lore are far too small to possess the titanic energies needed to cross the vast interstellar distances.
That is somewhat fallacious though. Who knows how small the SUPER-ADVANCED INTER-STELLAR CONQUISTADORS FROM ANOTHER PLANET will be able to make their technologies to this purpose? And what if the aliens are really tiny themselves? There are too many variables to dismiss small alien spacecraft so quickly.
Elsewise I agree.

[ÑóẊîöʼn]

That is somewhat fallacious though. Who knows how small the SUPER-ADVANCED INTER-STELLAR CONQUISTADORS FROM ANOTHER PLANET will be able to make their technologies to this purpose?

There is a fundamental physical limit to how much energy one can extract from a certain volume of material. The best that might be achieved is perhaps total conversion of matter into energy, since relativity shows that the two are interchangeable to a a degree. This has nothing to do with miniaturisation of technology. Barring the introduction of completely hypothetical energy sources like basement universes etc I don't see how that problem can be worked around.


And what if the aliens are really tiny themselves? There are too many variables to dismiss small alien spacecraft so quickly.
Elsewise I agree.

Since the aliens people typically report encountering aren't the size of thimbles, I think that argument can be discounted.

[Ele'ill]

What if aliens originated from earth and didn't come from anywhere else?

[Sperm-Doll Setsuna]

What if aliens originated from earth and didn't come from anywhere else?

That's actually a relatively popular theory among certain of the UFO-nut groups (including some thinking the earth is hollow and the "aliens" come from inside the earth...). They're as full of splits as the revolutionary left.

[Deicide]

It's slightly bewildering how many people believe things without any evidence.

[L.A.P.]

Even other UFOlogists think this guy is a hoax

[Zav]

What if aliens originated from earth and didn't come from anywhere else?
It's the most likely theory. However if they originated here, then we would find their fossils, unless they were here when the planet was molten, in which case they wouldn't come back, unless they wanted to destroy the crust, in which case we're all fucked. Also there would be no reason for a species of hyper-advanced aliens to visit an average planet in an average solar system unless we have some rare element or compound found no where else near them or they were Capitalist pigs who would consume everything.

[TheAltruist]

They're as full of splits as the revolutionary left.
Wait? That's possible?!

[ÑóẊîöʼn]

What if aliens originated from earth and didn't come from anywhere else?

Hah, Ultraterrestrials (http://omniverseone.com/forum/viewtopic.php?p=3193#p3193)! It's an interesting hypothesis, but the lack of fossils objection is a fair one, I think. If they built any technology that could have lasted the ravages of Deep Time (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Geologic_time_scale), then it must be extremely rare and/or buried deeper than we've dug so far, since we haven't found any yet. Which kinds of puts the hypothesis on shaky footing.

[Ele'ill]

What if the aliens that originated from earth instead of from elsewhere don't have skeletons - what if they're pure energy

[ÑóẊîöʼn]

What if the aliens that originated from earth instead of from elsewhere don't have skeletons - what if they're pure energy

As far as I'm aware energy beings only exist in works of speculative fiction.

[Deicide]

What if aliens come from the 5th dimension of reality?

[ÑóẊîöʼn]

What if aliens come from the 5th dimension of reality?

Which is what, precisely? :bored:

[Igor]

what if we're the aliens

wow deep

[Deicide]

Which is what, precisely? :bored:

It was a joke. But the whole extra ''dimension'' thing is popular with conspiracy/ufo loons.

[Deicide]

what if we're the aliens

wow deep

I know a guy who believes that humans are the off-spring of bigfoot and extraterrestrials.

There's also the ''theory'' that humans were engineered in a lab by aliens.

spooky.

[ÑóẊîöʼn]

Yet despite the plethora of hypotheses, there has not been one scrap of material evidence.

You'd think that when being taken on a trip through the cosmos in a flying saucer the abductees would have the sense to pilfer the alien equivalent of a cigarette lighter or something like that - a small but clearly artificial object that one could easily slip into one's pocket, then submit for scientific study upon return. I think there are tests that can be performed on a sample to determine if it came from Earth or not. For example, an analysis of the isotopes in a sample will be able to tell us if the object was made on a planet where nuclear weapons were used. Even if the aliens have also used nuclear weapons on their home planet, it's hardly likely that they would have detonated the exact same number and type of nuclear devices as we have.

[Ele'ill]

Why don't we see ghosts of aliens, or of dinosaurs for that matter.

[Brosa Luxemburg]

Why don't we see ghosts of aliens, or of dinosaurs for that matter.

I got REALLY baked yesterday and had this thought, but added why we don't see ghosts of trees and bugs along with dinosaurs. I completely forgot about this until I read this post. Thank you so much!

[ÑóẊîöʼn]

Why don't we see ghosts of aliens, or of dinosaurs for that matter.

Because ghosts are fictional.

This is an admin posting on S&E? Whether you're serious or not, this is very poor form.

[Ele'ill]

Admins aren't allowed to post in S&E? I think the not seeing ghosts of aliens, plants and dinosaurs is a pretty good indication of things.

[SHORAS]

Seems like he's making it up as he goes a long to me! Besides it's clearly a bunch of fucking nonsense. A hodge podge of various alien conspiracy 'theories'. The one redeeming factor was the intro music which was a groove sensation.

[ÑóẊîöʼn]

Admins aren't allowed to post in S&E?

I didn't mean that. I just think that the posts in this subforum could be of a higher quality, even when discussing things like pseudoscience.


I think the not seeing ghosts of aliens, plants and dinosaurs is a pretty good indication of things.

What things?

[Luís Henrique]

Wait? That's possible?!

Yes. Just ask a reformed Christian.

Luís Henrique

[Crux]

what if we're the aliens

wow deep
What if the aliens walk among us but are in fact shapeshifting lizardpeople...

[Luís Henrique]

What if the aliens walk among us but are in fact shapeshifting lizardpeople...


What if the aliens that originated from earth instead of from elsewhere don't have skeletons


Things like that are unverifiability clauses. They make the claims irrefutable, of course. But they also make the claims obviously dishonest.


He's a dillusional capitalist. I wonder what his alien friends would do if we sent him to Gulag...

He is delusional, no doubt. Why do you think he is a capitalist?

If we are going to send delusional people to the Gulag, then perhaps we shouldn't have a revolution first place. We are certainly not in need of more oppression and brutality.


Hi, I do believe in extraterrestrials space-ships. Because the whole universe and space is just too big for us to be alone.

One thing just doesn't follow from the other. Perhaps we are not alone - but that does not mean that other life forms in the universe do have the means or the interest to travel so far into space.

The universe is quite too big, but Earth is also a quite exceptional planet. It is:

orbiting a single star;
orbiting a G-class star;
at a proper distance from its sun (in the biozone);
a rock-metal planet;
geologically active;
not tide-locked;
not too close to a giant planet to be disintegrated by its gravity;
a double planet, or almost that.

And it has:

a nytrogen-oxygen atmosphere, that evolved from a carbon-dioxide-methane atmosphere;
a strong magnetic field;
an iron nucleus;
a gravitational field not too weak as to lose oxygen to the outer space, but not too strong as to make atmospheric pressure smash organic structures.

Some of those characteristics are certainly interrelated, but some of them are almost certainly quite rare; I am not sure that too many exo-planets are actually similar to Earth.

Luís Henrique

[Fawkes]

I wonder if there's any degree to which infrasound (sound below 20hz, i.e. too low for humans to hear) may be the cause behind some alien "sightings". It's one of the strongest explanations for many supposed ghost sightings (http://www.cracked.com/article_18828_the-creepy-scientific-explanation-behind-ghost-sightings.html). Though it would fail to explain images recorded of UFOs (for which various lens aberrations and meteorological phenomenons are probably the most common culprits) it could still play a role.

[DasFapital]

Ufology and Cryptozoology: degrees now both available through the DeVry Institute!:thumbup:

[Sperm-Doll Setsuna]

Ufology and Cryptozoology: degrees now both available through the DeVry Institute!:thumbup:

I wonder if one can really get a degree in those... many of "cryptozoologists" do not have any zoological experience at all, and some are downright charlatans (like one of the founders, Ivan T. Sanderson was).