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Andrei Kuznetsov
11th December 2003, 19:51
I found this article extremely fascinating... and really helped me deepen my understanding of my own class. I hope it sparks some discussion on the middle class in the United States and how to reach it.

U.S. Middle Class:
Strains of an Uncertain Future
Revolutionary Worker #1131, December 16, 2001, posted at rwor.org (http://rwor.org/)

The following was written by a team that helped investigate the magnitude, composition, and conditions of the petty bourgeois class in the United States.

Although the petty bourgeoisie, or the "middle class" as it is commonly referred to, in the U.S. is not as big as many people are led to think, it is a very significant part of the population in the U.S. And as the Draft Programme of the Revolutionary Communist Party @ http://2changetheworld.info/ states: "A critical question for the proletarian revolution is winning over or at least neutralizing as much of the petty bourgeoisie as possible."

Who makes up the petty bourgeoisie? How much of the population in the U.S. are in these strata? What conditions are middle class people in the U.S. facing? And why does the RCP think there is a basis to win over these strata to proletarian revolution?

In doing investigation to develop the Draft Programme, we found that:

• The petty bourgeoisie makes up about 35 percent of the U.S. labor force.

• There are significant numbers of women and oppressed nationalities within the petty bourgeoisie, more so than 20 years ago.

• The petty bourgeoisie is very diverse, facing a wide range of conditions. This class includes many different groups of small business owners, professionals, managers and technicians, intellectuals and artists, and small farmers who employ little or no wage labor, with different people facing a wide range of conditions. Rising levels of inequality within the middle class are "pulling apart" and fracturing the middle class.

• While a portion (roughly a fourth to a third) of the middle class have done well in the last 20 years or so, most have been struggling to maintain a "middle class" standard of living.

• Strains, fragility, and a deep level of insecurity characterizes the lives of most people in the middle class. Many are working longer hours, and it is now mainly the case that in a typical middle class family, both spouses (and sometimes other family members as well) have to work. Many are facing mounting levels of debt, rising insurance and child care costs, and lower levels of job security.

Size and Diversity of the Petty Bourgeoisie in the U.S.

The investigation team used detailed data from the U.S. government's Bureau of Labor Statistics, the Bureau of the Census, and several other data sources to analyze the size and composition of the petty bourgeoisie in the U.S., and how this has changed in the last 20 years. In contrast to most mainstream analyses that define the middle class simply in terms of income, we mainly looked at the types of occupations that place someone in the petty bourgeoisie--that is, we looked at middle class occupations to help understand how people fit into the capitalist relations of production. Secondarily, we also considered income and wealth as a factor that can influence someone's overall class position in society.

What are the characteristics of petty bourgeois occupations? Many in this class are finding their jobs more routinized, standardized and socialized. But for the most part these positions are not "manual labor" or "production" jobs, nor are they routine service or lower-level white-collar jobs. In classifying petty bourgeois strata, there is both a "traditional" and a "new" middle class. Petty bourgeois positions typically have a number of the following characteristics:

• they may have ownership or control of some means of production or a small business--like a small business owner or a contractor who employs a small number of workers (this is the traditional petty-bourgeoisie);

• they may be highly skilled and may require a significant amount of training--like an airline pilot, a doctor, or a lawyer;

• they may have a significant degree of "autonomy" in their conditions of work--like a research scientist or a highly skilled technician working in a research lab or a government economist;

• they may have authority over other workers--like a supervisor, office manager, or ship captain;

• they may be involved primarily in specialized, intellectual, athletic, or artistic pursuits--like a college professor or teacher, an author, a professional musician, or a professional athlete.

There is a commonly promoted myth that just about everyone in the U.S. is in the "middle class," except for a handful of poor people and a tiny fraction of rich people. But we found that of the people employed in the official labor force, just over a third were in positions that could be characterized as petty bourgeois jobs.

The petty bourgeoisie is concentrated in the following types of occupations:

• managers, administrators, and supervisors;

• professionals (including lawyers, doctors, scientists, financial analysts, professors, engineers, writers, artists, and teachers);

• "para" professionals, and high-level technicians;

• certain types of sales people (like real estate agents and high volume sales people, but not lower-level retail sales clerks or cashiers who are lucky to make $10 an hour);

• small business owners and self-employed people;

• farmers; and

• many government workers.

(As discussed elsewhere in the Draft Programme, a large portion of the population in the U.S. is in the working class, and only a small fraction of the population is in the capitalist class.)

In a small number of other job categories, it wasn't so clear whether certain people were in the petty bourgeoisie or the working class. For example, certain technicians or para-professional clerks may not require a college degree, but may require a certain amount of skill training for specialized work, and may even achieve a degree of autonomy in their work. They may also be paid fairly well. About 5% to 7% of the labor force fit into these job categories.

So, it is fairly clear that about 35-40% of the labor force are in petty bourgeois jobs--an increase in the size of the petty bourgeoisie from about 20 years ago.

The portion of the middle strata represented by women and oppressed nationalities is also higher than 20 years ago. For example, women made up close to half of the managerial and professional category in 1998, while in 1983, they made up about 40% of that category. Black and "Hispanic" people make up 7.6% and 5% of this category based on the 1998 data, while in 1983, they represented 5.6% and 2.8%, respectively. (Note: So-called managerial jobs can be very low-paying, such as a manager in a fast-food franchise.)

The Draft Programme points out on page 67: "Today, there are significant numbers of people from the oppressed nationalities in the middle class. There are also large numbers of women in the professions. All this is a result both of changes in the U.S. and the world economy and of powerful struggles against discrimination and oppression. While in various ways this 'middle class status' has a conservatizing influence, the continuing discrimination and abuses to which these oppressed groups are continually subjected propels many, even in the middle class, into resistance. This is overall an important positive factor for the proletariat in terms of realigning forces in society, including among the middle strata, in a way more favorable for the proletarian revolution."

Strains, Fragility, Insecurity, Fracturing, Pulling Apart

"Real wealth and power, which is actually concentrated in the hands of the ruling big bourgeoisie, is an unreachable goal for the masses of the middle strata. While sectors of the economy linked directly or indirectly to the explosion of 'high tech,' legal and financial services, consultancy, etc., have expanded in recent years--other more traditional segments of the petty bourgeoisie are under economic pressure."

Draft Programme, page 67-68

We found that most in the petty bourgeoisie are having a hard time maintaining a middle class lifestyle, putting in more hours, and in a typical family, both spouses have to work. Even so, most people in the middle class have seen their incomes stagnate. There are rising childcare and health insurance costs, household debt and heightened fears about job security. With the downturn in the stock market, many are seeing their pensions evaporate.

Those in the petty bourgeoisie generally have a higher standard of living and income than the working class. But there is a wide range of living standards and income within the petty bourgeois class. Most have not greatly benefited from the economic "boom" during the second half of the 1990s and the degree of inequality within the middle class (in terms of wealth and income) has grown.

For example, roughly 30% of the petty bourgeoisie had an income of less than $35,000 in 1998, and only the top 20% had incomes exceeding $55,000. About 25% of elementary school teachers made under $29,000, while on average an attorney or a doctor would expect to make over $80,000-$90,000. Over a fourth of financial managers make over $84,000 a year, but a fourth of food service and lodging managers have annual incomes under $21,000.

There have been numerous books about the profound changes taking place in the U.S. middle class. And many analysts have expressed concern about the possibility of "social unrest" due to the strains on this section of the population.

For example, a 1999 book, The Coming Class War: Rebuilding the Middle Class, worries, "The potential for class warfare, including more inner-city disturbances, is now far greater than at any time since the Depression of the 1930's and the riots of the late 1960's." Another 1999 title, Income Inequality in America, says, "The rise of income inequality, by various measures, invokes an image of a society divided between 'haves' and 'have-nots.' In turn, that image suggests the possibility of eventual political repercussions and, perhaps, social unrest."

The most recent downturn in the economy is undoubtedly having a significant influence on the middle class, especially among those associated with the "high tech" industry, and now, after 9-11, the airline and tourism industries. For example, in the San Francisco Bay Area and the Silicon Valley, some people who made $100,000 last year on paper (working over 60 hours a week) are now working as waiters and hoping the restaurant won't go out of business. People who bought houses for $500,000 last year are suddenly finding themselves out of work, their stock holdings have crashed, and they can't afford their mortgage.

Even before the downturn in the economy, only about one-fourth to one-third of those in the petty bourgeoisie had done well in the 1990s, increasing their incomes faster than the rate of inflation. Several studies of income and wealth trends indicate that while the more affluent sections of the population (roughly 20%) have benefited from the economic boom of the 1990s, the economic situation of everyone else has either stagnated or gone down.

Statistics show that from 1977 to 1999, average, real (inflation-adjusted) after-tax household incomes went down for those making lower and moderate incomes and only slightly increased for those making above average incomes. Meanwhile the average real household income of the top 1% of the population increased by 93% during this time period! In addition, most people's wages have not kept up with inflation over the last 20 years. And people are being forced to work longer hours to maintain their level of income.

In addition, the inflation-adjusted median income for managerial and professional people was actually lower in 1998 than in 1989. (The median income is the income at which 50% of the people make less than that amount, while 50% make more than that amount. The average income is simple the average of all incomes.)

The inflation-adjusted median income of managerial and professional people in 1989 was $43,212 while in 1998 it was $42,436. However, during this same period, the average incomes increased by almost 7%. This suggests that while a small number of people making higher incomes were doing well--causing an increase in average incomes--most people have seen their incomes stagnate relative to inflation. This trend has been confirmed in study after study.

Many in the petty bourgeoisie are able to live a fairly comfortable life, but most do not own a significant amount of wealth beyond the equity in their house. Two-thirds of the net worth of the bottom 80% of wealth-holders is in housing equity. Only 12.5% of privately held financial assets are owned by the bottom 90% of the population. Wealth holdings by the bottom 60% amount to less than 5% of total wealth in the U.S. The top 10% own 87.5% of privately held financial assets.

Debt and Insecurity

Mounting household debt has also become a significant strain on middle class families. Faced with stagnating incomes and rising housing costs, many are going deeply into debt trying to maintain a "middle class lifestyle." Overall, household debt levels reached historic highs in 1999. For the first time in at least 60 years, total household debt exceeded annual disposable personal income, largely as a result of increased mortgage debt due to rising housing prices and refinancing of mortgage loans. On average, in 1999, debt amounted to 103% of disposable household annual income (up from 65% in 1973 and 85% in 1989.)

Debt and debt payments dramatically increased in the 1990s, and for many people, a big component of this was mortgage payments. Meanwhile, rising home prices and falling interest rates spurred a huge flurry of borrowing activity by homeowners in the 1990s, in the form of "home equity" or refinanced loans.

According to The State of the Nation's Housing, "Borrowing was so heavy over the 1990s that home equity as a share of home value dropped 10 percentage points even as home prices rose sharply." This means that more people may own a home than before, but the portion of equity they hold in their home is now at historically low levels. Not surprisingly, the rate of personal bankruptcies has more than tripled in the last 20 years, from just under 2 per 1000 adults in 1980 to over 6 per 1000 adults in the late 1990s.

Health insurance and pension coverage are also growing concerns, including for those in the petty bourgeoisie. From 1979 to 1998, all income groups saw a decline in the number of employees covered by health insurance coverage. As might be expected, the poor experienced the biggest decline in employer-provided health coverage. But even those in upper income levels experienced a decline of about 7% in the number of employees covered.

In terms of pensions, there has been a big increase in "defined-contribution" plans like 401(k)s. Rather than providing a guaranteed fixed payment as a pension, under these plans a retirement income depends on an individual's success or failure in investing these funds.

Many in the middle class have invested their 401(k) retirement pension plans in stocks or mutual funds and, in many cases, the values of these funds have crashed. The SF Chronicle reported that, in 2000, the average balance in a 401(k) plan dropped for the first time in their 20-year history from a value of about $46,700 in 1999 to about $41,900 in 2000, a decline of over 10%. "The stock market fall, combined with increasing debt, has meant the largest absolute decline in household wealth since World War II, even after correcting for inflation..." Meanwhile, the U.S. Commerce Department estimates that personal savings rates in 2001 continues to be only about 1%.

Even before the downturn in the economy, many in the middle class expressed serious concerns about job security. This was related to "downsizings" associated with the merger and acquisition frenzy in the 1990s; corporate relocations; a fear (especially among older workers) that their job skills weren't needed in the "new economy"; and the growing portion of the workforce being employed in "nonstandard," "contingent," part-time, temporary, or contracted jobs.

In 1998-99, when the "boom" was still going strong, over 30% of those surveyed in a poll indicated they were frequently concerned about being laid off, as mergers more than quadrupled in the late 1990s to about 8,000 a year. Corporate relocations roughly doubled in the latter half of the 1990s, adding to job security fears.

We talked to several people in the "40+ Club," a kind of hiring hall for older managers and professionals who have been "downsized" out of a job. One person in L.A. complained bitterly of being discriminated against because of ageism, as her job skills were no longer in tune with the high-tech economy. She also characterized the "recent overall job market as being transitional and fluid--very volatile, unstable, and cut-throat." A 40+ Club member in New York was very bitter, saying their members were unemployed on average for a year before finding a "permanent" job. He himself had not had a "day-to-day job" in two years, and said that the "reality is that the average job has a life of less than three-and-a-half years."

According to The State of Working America: "Underlying job security fell markedly between the 1970's and the 1990s. One important reason that workers may have felt less secure in their jobs in the middle of the 1990s than they did in earlier periods with comparable or even higher unemployment rates is that a large and growing part of the workforce holds 'nonstandard' or 'contingent' jobs." It appears that roughly a fourth of the U.S. labor force are now in these types of jobs (regular part-time, temporary, on-call, or contracted). One 40+ Club member we interviewed commented that a whole generation is growing up to only know or expect a contingent work environment, and that employers won't hire people with a long history at one job or company as it is seen as "a lack of job experiences."

Commenting on these changes faced by the middle class, and especially those who are "downwardly mobile," Katherine Newman, in Falling from Grace, concluded: "It is so profound a reversal of middle class expectations that it calls into question the assumptions upon which their lives have been predicated. If the approved program of higher education, professional credentialism, craftmanship, or devotion to home and hearth does not provide security and access to a life of fulfillment, then what does?"

*****

The Draft Programme points out:

"The bourgeoisie has built up the 'middle class' to play a stabilizing and conservatizing role in society. And it pays considerable attention to maintaining the allegiance of these strata... Historically, sections of the petty bourgeoise have acted as a social base for 'law-and-order' and other reactionary movements. Left to their own, especially in times of social upheaval, sections are pulled to right-wing solutions in hopes of restoring stability and security and fortifying their privileges."

Capitalism offers an uncertain and very bleak present and future to most middle class people in the United States. And as many in the petty bourgeoisie are driven down, stressed out, and demoralized by the workings of this system, there is, increasingly, a material basis for the revolutionary proletariat to struggle and win over huge sections of the petty bourgeoisie.


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redstar2000
12th December 2003, 14:35
A good piece, remarkably free of jargon and rich in material detail.

Is the RCP "giving up" on Maoism?

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Comrade Beria
14th December 2003, 02:30
The so-called "middle class" is a myth of the Western imperialist media. There are only two classes: the Bolshevik working class and the Bourgeosie tyrant class.

14th December 2003, 15:48
Perhaps, we should initiate a movement: Let the American soldiers go home crosses the Christmas day

synthesis
15th December 2003, 05:27
Originally posted by Comrade [email protected] 14 2003, 03:30 AM
The so-called "middle class" is a myth of the Western imperialist media. There are only two classes: the Bolshevik working class and the Bourgeosie tyrant class.
Personally, I think these classes should unite to find a solution to the problem that our flat Earth presents. After all, this "spherical Earth" theory is just a myth of heretic, Pagan, terrorist, anti-American propaganda.

Comrade Beria, I think you need to find a way to adjust to the 21st century.

P.S. That article was fuckin' bad-ass.

Andrei Kuznetsov
16th December 2003, 22:10
I agree, DyerMaker; this is a very clear-cut, no-nonsense article that really digs into why the middle strata (while one of the more backwards sections of the population) have interests in revolution and will have no choice but to join the proletariat in revolution when the time comes.

DRAGOON
19th February 2004, 21:49
reading this article,
it serems to me that the RW is not saying that the middleclass would have no choice but the side with the proletariat.

it seems to be saying that it can be one to be an ally of the proletariat, that socialism has much to offer this section, and that it will be a struggle to win people in the middle class to fight on the proletariat side.

but that it may be extremely important if large sections of this class are, indeed won to revolution.

redstar2000
20th February 2004, 02:05
The petty bourgeoisie is very diverse, facing a wide range of conditions. This class includes many different groups of small business owners, professionals, managers and technicians, intellectuals and artists, and small farmers who employ little or no wage labor, with different people facing a wide range of conditions. Rising levels of inequality within the middle class are "pulling apart" and fracturing the middle class.

This would be in line with what Marx predicted; eventually the "middle class" is mostly subsumed into the proletariat while a small portion ascends into the ranks of the bourgeoisie proper.

I wonder if we have not reached the point where the term "middle class" (or "petty bourgeoisie") has lost its usefulness...it no longer really describes a clearly distinct class group, as it did in Marx's time.

Perhaps it would be better to speak of sub-classes or semi-classes -- groups that are being pulled apart by the twin "gravitational fields" of the bourgeoisie and the proletariat.


...we mainly looked at the types of occupations that place someone in the petty bourgeoisie--that is, we looked at middle class occupations to help understand how people fit into the capitalist relations of production. Secondarily, we also considered income and wealth as a factor that can influence someone's overall class position in society.

One can only applaud the effort to apply empirical data to class analysis...but trying to fit a very large number of people under a single umbrella looks very much like an exercise in futility.


Petty bourgeois positions typically have a number of the following characteristics:

they may have ownership or control of some means of production or a small business--like a small business owner or a contractor who employs a small number of workers (this is the traditional petty-bourgeoisie)

It's also the only one there is; it's based on their relation to the means of production.

It's true this population is more diverse than it was in Marx's time. Today's "small farmer" is no longer a traditional peasant but rather a small businessman.

And a manager with a substantial investment (not a pension plan; an actual investment of his own money right now) in the corporation where he works operates quite closely to the way a small independent capitalist does.

This class has always included the self-employed, of course...they "exploit" their own labor power even if no one else's. This would include professionals who practice independently (but not members of professional corporations) all the way "down" to the man or woman who does "odd jobs" for a living. The income differences will make a difference in their class outlook...but probably not as much as you'd might imagine.

Finally, I would also add those sales people whose income primarily derives from commissions: stock brokers, insurance brokers, real estate brokers, etc.

What all of these folks have in common is a certain kind of financial (and thus psychological) "autonomy" that doesn't exist at all for the proletariat and only to a limited extent for many who are usually considered "middle class".

They "feel" (rightly or wrongly) a sense that they can "always" say "fuck you" to corporate power if they feel it's necessary.


they may be highly skilled and may require a significant amount of training--like an airline pilot, a doctor, or a lawyer

See, this is where the term "middle class" gets "messy". An airline pilot works for an airline (almost always!) and, inspite of his elevated salary ($100,000 a year or more, though most pilots make considerably less), he produces a commodity (travel by air) and his labor-power generates surplus value.

A doctor employed by a hospital, large medical clinic, or health maintenance organization is clearly in the same position. As is a lawyer employed by a professional legal corporation...unless he has "made partner".

The substantial incomes earned by these folks allow some of them to gradually become capitalists in their own right...through successful investments. But it is a gamble...what they are risking is the money required to produce the next generation of airline pilots, doctors, or lawyers. If they lose, their kids will not be able to maintain their "class position".


they may have a significant degree of "autonomy" in their conditions of work--like a research scientist or a highly skilled technician working in a research lab or a government economist

I think the practice of "professional autonomy" has become largely obsolete...though remnants may remain. For the most part, the modern scientist or technician works under managerial direction as "rigidly" as a production line worker.

A long time ago, science was an interesting pursuit for those who did not have to work...now it's mostly work. If it results in a marketable commodity, then it's wage-labor.


they may have authority over other workers--like a supervisor, office manager, or ship captain

I would suggest that the key factor here is the independent power to "hire and fire". If you lack that, then your "middle class credentials" are pretty shaky.


they may be involved primarily in specialized, intellectual, athletic, or artistic pursuits--like a college professor or teacher, an author, a professional musician, or a professional athlete.

Another "messy" gathering. College professors and teachers are employed by institutions that sell a commodity on the market -- "education" -- and are therefore (whether they like to admit it or not) wage-laborers.

Successful authors are self-employed -- petty bourgeois. Unsuccessful authors have day jobs. Music is a very complicated field that has people in every class...from the "rock star" (a junior member, however looked down upon by "old money", of the ruling class) all the way down to the kid sitting on a stoop singing for dollars. Most professional athletes make the wages of skilled workers ($50,000 per year or less)...a handful become multi-millionaires. In sports, you're either a worker or a fresh recruit to the ruling class.

I think the real "middle class" is not only smaller than most people think it is, I think it's smaller than the RCP suggests it is.

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commie kg
20th February 2004, 02:47
I would suggest that the key factor here is the independent power to "hire and fire". If you lack that, then your "middle class credentials" are pretty shaky.


I think the real "middle class" is not only smaller than most people think it is, I think it's smaller than the RCP suggests it is.

I would especially agree with these two statements.

While growing up, my family was considered "middle-class". However, my father lacked the ability to "hire and fire" as you put it. In fact, he was the one in the position to be fired (and he worked at Boeing, which is absolutely notorious for layoffs). We did maintain a middle class standard of living, but at what cost? A lifetime of debt, that will never be paid off in their lifetime.

So in such a situation, would they be considered proletarians or petty-bourgeoisie?

SittingBull47
21st February 2004, 03:26
True, that article is bad-ass and i wouldn't be surprised to see that taken up by Lenists, Marxists, or other followers of the communist manifesto.

roman
22nd February 2004, 16:12
Not only is the "American middle class" not revolutionary, neither is the American working class. They are parasites whose economic interests lie in continued imperialism, national oppression of captive nations, and, fascism. I am continually amazed how people in the top 10% percentile of the global income and household living indexs think of themselves as "oppressed by capitalism". Usually, this "revolutionary rhetoric" is a guise of fascist politics. Marx was right when he thought revolution was tied to real misery and immerisation - something which most Americans know nothing about. Conditions would have to change dramatically before the ordinary American could be mobilized as a class for revolution. The people who are potentially revolutionary within US borders are those who make up the bottom rungs of the economic food chain like prisoners, homeless, criminals, the so called "under class". There is also revolutionary potential in those who have be most oppressed historically, those who the state has waged genocide against: captive nation peoples.

Revolution is about REDISTRIBUTION OF WEALTH.

Maybe you think Marx should have wrote: "You have nothing to lose but your chains...and tvs, vcrs, phones, cars, 2 week vacations, houses, pets, internet, etc"..

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redstar2000
22nd February 2004, 20:47
Not only is the "American middle class" not revolutionary, neither is the American working class. They are parasites whose economic interests lie in continued imperialism, national oppression of captive nations, and, fascism.

Well, I guess if that's the case, then we on this board should sign up with the fascists right away.

Anybody know the words to the HorstWesselLied?


I am continually amazed how people in the top 10% percentile of the global income and household living index think of themselves as "oppressed by capitalism". Usually, this "revolutionary rhetoric" is a guise of fascist politics.

The list of examples was particularly impressive. You know, all the American lefties who are "really" fascists.


The people who are potentially revolutionary within US borders are those who make up the bottom rungs of the economic food chain like prisoners, homeless, criminals, the so called "under class".

Indeed? What revolutionary groups have they formed? What fresh revolutionary insights do they bring to the table? What theoretical advances do they have to offer?

I have no doubt that revolutionaries have and will emerge from the American "under-class"...but in significant numbers?

As a rule, when you live on the "edge of the abyss", you have neither time nor energy for revolutionary politics...survival for another day is your only priority.


Revolution is about REDISTRIBUTION OF WEALTH.

Not exactly. Communist revolution is about emancipation from wage-slavery.

It's not "just about the money".

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Knowledge 6 6 6
25th February 2004, 18:27
exactly. a revolution doesnt always have to be about equal wealth distribution. It could have other reasons...just taking out a horrible dictator for one.*cough* Haiti *cough*