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Os Cangaceiros
29th May 2012, 05:07
BEIRUT — A weekend massacre of more than 100 people emerged as a potential turning point in the Syrian crisis Monday, galvanizing even staunch ally Russia to take an unusually hard line against President Bashar al-Assad’s government.

Analysts said Russia may be warning Assad that he needs to change course or lose Moscow’s support, which has been a key layer of protection for the Syrian government during the uprising that began in March 2011.

Russia has grown increasingly critical of Damascus in recent months, but Foreign Minister Sergey Lavrov’s latest comments were unusually strong. Although he said opposition forces have terrorists among them, he put the blame for 15 months of carnage primarily on Assad’s government.

http://news.nationalpost.com/2012/05/28/russia-condemns-ally-syria-over-massacre-of-108/

I'm suprised that there isn't already a thread about this...it's been big news on the radio.

piet11111
29th May 2012, 06:01
Are there any other news sources about this ?

Russia's response is playing right into the hands of the warmongers.

Sinister Cultural Marxist
29th May 2012, 06:37
Are there any other news sources about this ?

Russia's response is playing right into the hands of the warmongers.

Perhaps the Baathist military's response to unrest is playing right into the hands of the warmongers too? In fact, they certainly seem to be "warmongers" themselves.

Zulu
29th May 2012, 08:21
Lol. Putin's elected, the Russian populace has had its nationalist fix. Now the needs of the West can be attended to.

Sorry, Al Assad, down you go. Nothing personal, just business.

brigadista
29th May 2012, 08:26
article in the guardian by Patrick Searle - see freepalestine above-
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http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2012/may/27/syria-no-plans-peace?CMP=twt_gu

Last Friday's savage clashes at Houla, a village in the Syrian province of Homs, have aroused international indignation against the government of President Bashar al-Assad. It is the latest grisly episode in what is quickly developing into a sectarian civil war.

Hillary Clinton, the US secretary of state, makes no bones of her wish to overthrow the Syrian regime. She issued a statement saying: "The US will work with the international community to intensify our pressure on Assad and his cronies, whose rule by murder and fear must come to an end." The UK government is to seek an urgent meeting of the UN security council.

Engineered by Kofi Annan – the UN and Arab League mediator – the ceasefire of 12 April is now in tatters. His peace plan called on both sides to put down their guns as a necessary preliminary to '"Syria-led" political negotiations. But the opposition – of which the most formidable element is the Muslim Brothers – is waging an urban guerrilla war backed by outside powers. This wing of the opposition does not want to negotiate with Bashar al-Assad: it wants to topple him.

The Gulf states have pledged $100m to the opposition, to enable it to pay its fighters and buy arms. The US has no intention of getting involved in a war in Syria itself, but it is said to be co-ordinating the flow of weapons and intelligence to the rebels. Although it says it supports the Annan plan, it is unashamedly undermining it by helping to arm the rebels. This is the central contradiction in US policy.

The only way to prevent a full-scale civil war in Syria – which would destroy the country, as happened in Iraq, and could destabilise the whole Levant – is to demilitarise the conflict and bring maximum pressure on both sides to negotiate. This is what Annan wants, but he is being undermined. He is due in Damascus this weekend in a forlorn bid to save his plan.

UN monitors counted 85 bodies at Houla. The opposition has blamed the regime for the slaughter, while the regime has put the blame on "terrorists" – that is to say, on its armed opponents, stiffened by Islamist jihadis, some of them linked to al-Qaida, who have been flowing into Syria from Iraq, Lebanon and Jordan. These jihadis are thought to be responsible for about a dozen terrorist acts, the worst of which, in Damascus on 10 May, killed 55 people and wounded close to 400.

Major-General Robert Mood, the Norwegian head of the UN observer mission, has been cautious in pointing the finger of blame for Friday's Houla killings: "Whatever I learned on the ground in Syria ... is that I should not jump to conclusions." Probably, the truth is that the two sides share the responsibility.

The strategy of the armed opposition is to seek to trigger a foreign armed intervention by staging lethal clashes and blaming the resulting carnage on the regime. It knows that, left to itself, its chance of winning is slim. For its part, the regime's brutality can be explained, if not condoned, by the fact that it believes it is fighting for its life – not only against local opponents but also against an external conspiracy led by the United States (egged on by Israel) and including Saudi Arabia, Qatar, Britain and France.

The regime's strategy is to prevent – at all costs – its armed opponents from seizing and holding territory inside the country, as this might give foreign powers a base from which to operate. As soon as it identifies pockets of armed opponents, it sends in its troops to crush them. That it often uses disproportionate force is not in doubt: this is all too predictable when a conventional army faces hit-and-run opponents. Trapped between opposing forces, civilians inevitably pay the price.

Dennis the 'Bloody Peasant'
29th May 2012, 10:40
Fuck, I hope that Syria is able to sort this without the imperialists swooping in and taking a piece...it may need a civil war, which is regrettable, but in the long run is preferable to an outside force like the US or UN or whoever taking a lead role and expecting juicey kickbacks from whatever govment they allow to take Assad's place.
It'll prob just wind up like Libya...humanitarian mission with heavy air support and contracts already drawn up.

Omsk
29th May 2012, 10:43
Well this is a quick policy change of the Russian bourgeois.. I despise our reality..

Ethics Gradient, Traitor For All Ages
29th May 2012, 16:44
This is ridiculous. I'm sure those who were executed understood the demands of anti-imperialism and went to the grave without a grudge.

Os Cangaceiros
30th May 2012, 02:25
Fuck, I hope that Syria is able to sort this without the imperialists swooping in and taking a piece

I'm pretty sure that's what they've been trying to do, what with the massacres and all...but I guess it hasn't been working so far...

ckaihatsu
30th May 2012, 02:45
Fuck, I hope that Syria is able to sort this without the imperialists swooping in and taking a piece...


There's nothing to "sort out" -- you're sounding as bad as any NATOist who wants to intervene on "humanitarian" grounds....

Syria is the cutting-edge of bourgeois geopolitics -- there's nothing else going on by which Western governments can justify their existence.





it may need a civil war, which is regrettable,


This is both gross and irresponsible. It's *already* an *international* civil war, using Syria as their arena.





but in the long run is preferable to an outside force like the US or UN or whoever taking a lead role and expecting juicey kickbacks from whatever govment they allow to take Assad's place.
It'll prob just wind up like Libya...humanitarian mission with heavy air support and contracts already drawn up.


Oh, okay -- send it along to the history department, huh? We're done here, huh?

Qavvik
30th May 2012, 03:21
The Russian imperialists are warning Assad to behave, or else the West may intervene. Moscow fears that the naval base in Tartus may close under any post-Assad regime, therefore they will take whatever effort it may take to keep their naval presence in the Mediterranean secure. No better than the West, per the usual.

ckaihatsu
30th May 2012, 03:56
The Russian imperialists are warning Assad to behave, or else the West may intervene. Moscow fears that the naval base in Tartus may close under any post-Assad regime, therefore they will take whatever effort it may take to keep their naval presence in the Mediterranean secure. No better than the West, per the usual.


Then, according to this, this is intractable, or a catch-22, for Syria -- "behaving" means doing nothing in the face of Western aggression, and this is now fine as far as Moscow is concerned. So if Syria asserts self-determination that's "no good" by the West, and Moscow is lining up behind the West to say the same thing.

I guess Russia doesn't want the Tartus naval base badly enough....

Zulu
30th May 2012, 14:48
The Russian imperialists

There are no "Russian Imperialists"

There is only one empire on this planet, and Russia is its province. China sort of remained somewhat independent until recently, but the fall of Bo Xilai seems indicative that they've caved in too.

Dennis the 'Bloody Peasant'
30th May 2012, 15:10
There's nothing to "sort out" -- you're sounding as bad as any NATOist who wants to intervene on "humanitarian" grounds....

Syria is the cutting-edge of bourgeois geopolitics -- there's nothing else going on by which Western governments can justify their existence.





This is both gross and irresponsible. It's *already* an *international* civil war, using Syria as their arena.





Oh, okay -- send it along to the history department, huh? We're done here, huh?

Hehe, so funny how worked up people get over expressing a personal opnion that ultimately doesn't matter anyway.

ckaihatsu
30th May 2012, 22:53
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Spokespeople from the NATO countries and their loyal media outlets have seized upon a massacre at Houla, Syria, to mobilize for open imperialist military intervention against the Syrian government and — and no one should doubt this — against the people of Syria. NATO governments have already begun expelling Syrian diplomats.

There seems to be no doubt at this time — May 29 — that a massacre took place. There is, however, much confusion about who exactly carried out the massacre. The corporate media is blaming the killings on the Syrian government and calling for foreign intervention. The Syrians, however, deny that their armed forces or police have taken part, blame the killings on the armed opposition and have themselves condemned the killings and are organizing an investigation.

While we have no special knowledge about what did or didn't happen, we do have a treasury of knowledge of how the imperialists have manipulated such events in order to justify a war or intervention on a "humanitarian" basis. It is this type of manipulation that anti-war and anti-imperialist forces should be most on the alert for.

The most recent such manipulation was in Libya last year, when the imperialist powers claimed there would be a "massacre" of civilians in the city of Benghazi, a center of monarchist opposition to Moammar Gadhafi, if there were no NATO intervention. This supposed threat became the pretext to win U.N. backing for a "no-fly zone" in Libya. France and Britain, with enormous U.S. logistical support, turned this "no-fly zone" into a military assault on the pro-Gadhafi regime and overthrew it, leaving Libya prey to the Western oil and energy monopolies.

In January 1999, the imperialists used the "Racak massacre." A group of reactionary commandos were killed in a gunfight with Serb military and police forces in the town of Racak, in the Kosovo province of Serbia. The reactionaries dressed the dead fighters up as civilians and claimed they were executed at close range. A few news media — Le Figaro (Jan. 20, 1999) and a year later the Berliner Zeitung (March 24, 2000) — exposed the more obvious inconsistencies in the “massacre” myth. A Finnish team led by Helena Ranta also discovered that all 23 dead were killed by gunfire at a distance. (See “Hidden Agenda: The U.S./NATO takeover of Yugoslavia,” International Action Center, 2002)

Nevertheless, NATO spokespeople and the corporate media spread the lie that there had been a massacre of civilians. U.S. and NATO forces used this pretext to justify 78 days of bombing of Serbia and the dismemberment of what remained of Yugoslavia.

Groups such as Amnesty International have put out statements calling for the U.N. Security Council to move "beyond condemnation" of the Syrian regime. Let's keep in mind that Amnesty International is currently partnering with Madeline Albright, to demand that NATO defend women in Afghanistan. As Secretary of State Albright stated in an interview with Leslie Stahl that she felt that the death of 1/2 million children in Iraq was "Worth it".

There is no possible justification for imperialist intervention in Syria, whatever happened in Houla. NATO’s own bombing campaign in Afghanistan regularly kills civilians (See Miami Herald, May 29), but no one dares raise these crimes before the United Nations. NATO’s hypocrisy is all too familiar. The media campaign around Houla should put the anti-war movement on alert that the imperialists are preparing right now for another intervention.

We reprint here the Syrian government's side of the Houla story, slightly edited from a statement released by Damascus:

Makdessi: Syria will establish Investigative Committee on Houla Massacre

(Dp-news)

“Syria will establish an investigative committee on the Houla massacre, to issue results within three days,” said Syrian Foreign Ministry spokesperson Jihad Makdissi in a press conference on May 27.

Makdissi has categorically denied responsibility of the Syrian forces for the massacre that took place in al-Houla area in Homs Province.

Makdissi also condemned in strongest terms this terrorist massacre against the Syrian civilians as he condemned the accusation that Syrian forces had done that.

"The Syrian state is responsible for protecting civilians according to the constitution and Syria preserves its right to defend its citizens," he said.

Makdissi stressed that no tanks or artillery entered al-Houla town and the law enforcement members never left their positions, rather they were in a state of self-defense.

"A military judicial committee was formed to conduct an investigation and the results will be announced in three days," Makdissi added.

The suspicious coincidence between the attacks in parallel with the visit of U.N. Special Envoy to Syria, Kofi Annan, is a slap in the face of the political process, said Makdissi, adding that the brutal killing is alien to the ethics of the Syrian army.

He said that those who committed the killing are not the army but the armed terrorist groups.

The spokesperson added that what happened doesn't serve the interests of the Syrian state, stressing that "We don't trade with the Syrian blood." Makdissi stressed that there is no justification for carrying weapons against the dignity of the state whatever the political excuse, indicating that the terrorism and crimes increased since Syria's approval of Annan's plan because they don't want to make the plan a success.

The spokesperson for the Syrian Foreign Affairs and Expatriates Ministry said that the armed terrorist groups committed more than 3,500 violations of Annan's plan, adding that "non-stability is a good environment for terrorists. … There are al-Qaeda and Takfiris but we won't allow them to make use of this environment no matter how long the confrontation takes." Makdissi stressed that the solution to the crisis in Syria lies in lending a helping hand to the Syrian government.

Makdissi indicated that Syria wants a truce and his government is committed to Annan’s plan.

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