How would religion be in a communistic society?

[nbj55]

How would religion be in a communistic society?

Let's say that a world-wide revolution happened, there are no countries and the world is in a communistic state. How would religion respond? There would always be the right-wing terrorists bombing stuff, but what about the moderately religious people?

[Caj]

How would religion respond?

Who knows? Anybody giving a definite answer to such a question is a charlatan. The fact is that we don't know what communist society will look like apart from it being classless.


There would always be the right-wing terrorists bombing stuff

Why do you think this would be the case?

[ckaihatsu]

There would always be the right-wing terrorists bombing stuff





Why do you think this would be the case?


It would be a desperate, pathetic plea for attention and social relevance as their basis for power slips from their hands.

[ckaihatsu]

How would religion be in a communistic society?


Of purely historical interest, as pantheism or animism is today.

[eric922]

Of purely historical interest, as pantheism or animism is today.
Pantheism are still practiced amongst neo-pagans, indigenous religious groups, and some forms of Hinduism. So I don't think it is accurate to say they are purely of historical interest, nor do I think it is accurate to say any definitive about religion in a future communist society. It is likely that a lot of the Enlightenment era philosophers thought they were seeing the beginning in an end to religion, but they were mistaken.

[ckaihatsu]

Pantheism


So who's correct, then, the pantheists or the monotheists -- ? Or do they need more time on this -- ?


x D

[eric922]

So who's correct, then, the pantheists or the monotheists -- ? Or do they need more time on this -- ?


x D
I have no clue, likely neither of them are right. However, the fact that we are having this discussion shows that Pantheism is more than purely a historical interest. If it was simply a historical interest there wouldn't be any left.

Religions seem to have a way of resurfacing. I mean a century ago who would have have thought there would have been open pagans in the U.S., but here they are.

[ckaihatsu]

I have no clue, likely neither of them are right. However, the fact that we are having this discussion shows that Pantheism is more than purely a historical interest. If it was simply a historical interest there wouldn't be any left.

Religions seem to have a way of resurfacing. I mean a century ago who would have have thought there would have been open pagans in the U.S., but here they are.


So since we're in capitalism and *not* communism, what is your (political) conclusion from all of this?

[eric922]

So since we're in capitalism and *not* communism, what is your (political) conclusion from all of this?
On the future of religion? I don't know. I think it isn't something we can reasonably predict.

Now, if you mean to the return of neo-paganism, well in her book Drawing Down the Moon, Margot Alder talks at length about how a lot of Pagans she talked to expressed a sense of alienation from society and were trying to fix that by returning to nature and nature based belief systems.

Sorry, I doubt I answered your question and I apologize if I wasted your time by making you read this. My thoughts are kind of disorganized at the moment, so I probably misinterpreted what you were asking.

[ckaihatsu]

Sorry, I doubt I answered your question and I apologize if I wasted your time by making you read this. My thoughts are kind of disorganized at the moment, so I probably misinterpreted what you were asking.


No prob.





On the future of religion? I don't know. I think it isn't something we can reasonably predict.


No, I was inquiring about the present day, since that's what you mentioned.





Now, if you mean to the return of neo-paganism, well in her book Drawing Down the Moon, Margot Alder talks at length about how a lot of Pagans she talked to expressed a sense of alienation from society and were trying to fix that by returning to nature and nature based belief systems.


Understandable, but we can't simply ignore or sidestep the role that (industrial) production plays in contemporary society.

[eric922]

Understandable, but we can't simply ignore or sidestep the role that (industrial) production plays in contemporary society.
We certainly can't. Indeed I would say that industrial production combined with the fact that the majority of people have no control over their own labor or the fruit of their labor is precisely why they feel alienated. Our job should be to point out that the only way to fully cure their alienation is to change their relation to the industrial society.

All that being said, I think we might have an easier time reaching neo-pagans than we do fundamentalist Christians. Adler talks about this in her book as well. She mentions that a lot of neo-pagans are socialist of various stripes and even mentions an entire tradition, founded by a woman called Starhawk, known as Reclaiming that is anarchist in its political viewpoint. Of course, the flip side of that coin is the number of neo-Nazis amongst the modern Odinist movement.

Overall, I think the key when it comes to religious people is not to encourage them to give up religion, but encourage them to give up capitalism. Religion might wither away in a communist society, but I don't think we can eliminate it. If it does go away, it will be a natural process where people gradually decide they no longer need it. It will probably take a few generations, though.

[roy]

How would religion be in a communistic society?

Let's say that a world-wide revolution happened, there are no countries and the world is in a communistic state. How would religion respond? There would always be the right-wing terrorists bombing stuff, but what about the moderately religious people?

if the worldwide revolution had already taken place, moderately religious people would have been a part of it, given most of the working class is some kind of religious. how religion would evolve in communism is anyone's guess.

[l'Enfermé]

The immediate consequences of a socialist revolution, when it comes to the question of religion, would be that religion is made a completely private matter. As Lenin wrote in 1905,

It would be bourgeois narrow-mindedness to forget that the yoke of religion that weighs upon mankind is merely a product and reflection of the economic yoke within society.
As mankind is freed from this economic yoke, so will mankind's necessity for religion disappear and in turn, religion as a mass-phenomenon is bound to stop existing also.

[ckaihatsu]

Overall, I think the key when it comes to religious people is not to encourage them to give up religion, but encourage them to give up capitalism.


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[Yuppie Grinder]

In a global society organized through mutual, equitable free associations I don't think religion as it exists today would have a place, since the relationship between worshiper and object of worship is one of slave and master.

[Comrade Marxist Bro]

How would religion be in a communistic society?

Let's say that a world-wide revolution happened, there are no countries and the world is in a communistic state. How would religion respond? There would always be the right-wing terrorists bombing stuff, but what about the moderately religious people?

All moderately religious people would be communists, like Jesus.

[TheRedAnarchist23]

All moderately religious people would be communists, like Jesus.


No, Jesus was an anarchist:D

[Zukunftsmusik]

No, Jesus was an anarchist:D


All moderately religious people would be communists, like Jesus.

he was neither. A religious leader of some sort, with an egalitarian rhetoric and egalitarian views, but it ends about there.