Response to far-right.

[Deicide]

I'd like to see how the forum would respond to one of the most prevailing claims or ''arguments'' frothed out by Fascists, white supremacists, etc, etc. It's direct quote straight from a fascists mouth.


ALL & ONLY white countries have been FLOODED with tens of millions of 3rd worlders & forced to assimilate to create a blended humanity.
There will still be Asians in Asia & Africans in Africa, since THEY have REJECTED diversity. MY race, the white race, is set to be blended out of existence in the most massive genocide campaign in HUMAN HISTORY.
Diversity is a codeword for White Genocide
Anti-Racist is a codeword for Anti-White

[ВАЛТЕР]

I read this somewhere. I think on an RT video. lol

It is ridiculous. They completely reject the fact that we as a human race will continue to "blend" with one another until we all look basically the same. This is just the way that history works. Just like Neanderthals mated with homo-sapiens and no longer exist, so too will whites and other races. This shouldn't scare anyone. Nobody is going to kill you or rape you. This is just the way it is and always has been.

[Revolutionair]

Please note that they count America as a white country, a country that 'was flooded with white immigrants'. Even European white people themselves are immigrants. Dutch people like me come from Denmark and Germany, some come from France 'hugenoten'. And even these people from Germany, Denmark and France are immigrants! Humanity started out in Africa and the Middle-East. Civilization was born in the Middle-East because of its fertile lands. Most people from the far-right don't seem to mind the 'invention' of civilization yet it doesn't have its origin in 'white countries'.
People migrate all the time, and we have been doing so for our entire existence. But that is something that the far-right doesn't seem to care about. I use this apathy to early migration as the basis for the following argument: the far-right DOESN'T care about immigrants, they simply hate people with a different color skin. A Brittish may look at a white guy in a shop and yell 'my compatriot!' while the person is actually French. The best thing about situation, is that the word compatriot comes from Latin, so it has its origin in Italy!

The world is a mixing pool, and people have been mixing the entire time. Always remember that there is no theoretical basis for racism, it's simply hating people who look different. edit: To add on that, you could compare it to subcultures. "Yeah we goths hate emos." "Yeah we jazz people don't like hip-hop." What's wrong with liking different kinds of music?

[Conscript]

Meh, race fetishists. Why talk and argue when you can just shoot them when they try something? They're no different from any other nationalist and all base their logic on their nation's supposed interest, which boils down to national capital.

If some 'white backlash' ever came to fruition it wouldn't for for the freedom and well-being of whites, but white national capital and its imperialism. No nation can ever represent the working class's interest and all talk otherwise is meaningless populism.

[LeftAbove]

As a person who thinks socialism would work on an international level at best, I would reply by saying that the reasons European countries are flooded is because of poor working conditions in their homelands, as well as lack of jobs and economic opportunity. As for Japan, Japan has a government marked with extreme chauvinism (as it seems to me) and doesn't seem to be tolerant of massive immigration (there seems to be low quotas). But Europe's government seems to be more accepting.
A common argument I see on right wing forums is that it's human nature to mix with ones own race. If living standards improve everywhere else, there would be hardly any immigration (considering the argument to be true) to Europe. People would be happy where they are. Plus, if white nationalists care for the survival of their own race, why aren't they socialists? Do they want their own kind starving in the streets jobless?

[aty]

Racist is a codeword for idiot.
Nationalist is a codeword for classtraitor.
Fascist is a codeword for anti-workers.

Someone know where this thing about codewords come from? I have also seen it sometimes and the stupidity amazes me...

[LeftAbove]

Racist is a codeword for idiot.
Nationalist is a codeword for classtraitor.
Fascist is a codeword for anti-workers.

Someone know where this thing about codewords come from? I have also seen it sometimes and the stupidity amazes me...

To answer your question about codewords, most probably Stormfront.

[mew]

It's just a load of non-sense. There's no room for rational debate with white supremacists. Read "theoretical" works by Hitler and it's just a load of pseudo-science about race degeneracy... White supremacists also love to cite things like The Bell Curve, which is easily disprove.

[Vorchev]

To be fair, dialectic materialism suggests that who you are is predicated by what you are. I'm always kind of lost how communists actually avoid becoming fascists because utility preferences are dictated by emotions, emotions which are dictated by genes, hormones, and neurology. They're also activated by your environment which coincides with fascist loyalty to land.

Anyway, my riposte to fascist racism is the subdivision argument. Ethnic consciousness is circular because different people will empathize with different levels of similarity.

Ironically, many fascists usually say, "Tough, that's life. Sucks to be them," when accounting for genetic outliers even within their own ethnic group. For all their right-wing "populism", they're really elitists.

[Luc]

ah nvm just trolling its inapropriate

[Tim Cornelis]

I had an argument with one of these idiots:

"But back in the real world 'anti-racism' is only used as a pretext for mass invasion, integration, and assimilation (ie. intermarriage) into ALL White countries and ONLY White countries.

From Joburg to Los Angeles. From London to Moscow ending 'racism' is the ending of Europeans. Ending Europeans is genocide. 'Anti-racist' is just code for anti-White."


This is completely divorced from reality. "Anti-racism", these days, is only used by fringe, radical leftist groups, not the established social-democratic, centre-left parties (whom have actual control over immigration policies). I've never heard the social-democratic party in my country use the word "anti-racist". Again, the only people who identify as such as fringe, radical leftist groups.

According to your reasoning, two people who fall in love and are not of the same race are is something completely out of the blue. Committing genocide in fact. It is beyond ridiculous. Moreover, apparently when a black and white couple mixes it is only genocide against whites but not blacks. It makes no sense whatsoever.

However, if we look at migration we see that they are LOGICAL. Migration is not something irrational that only happens due to an conspiratorially enforced agenda. It is RATIONAL. For example, migrants who go to Portugal come from its former colonies: Angola, Mozambique, Brazil. Migrants who go to France come from its former colonies. Migrants who go to Russia come from its former colonies. HOWEVER, if we look at Poland, say, we see that THERE ARE ONLY 4,500 AFRICAN PEOPLE. Why? Because Poland never had colonies! Therefore, migrants who enter Poland come from Russia, Germany, Belarus, and Ukraine, not Africa or Asia. From this we can conclude that migration is rational, making the "grand migration conspiracy" highly unlikely.

Look at this: http://migrationsmap.net/

Click any country and you will see that the migration flows are RATIONAL.

Let's say you were born in Mozambique and you are dirt poor. You hear about the affluence of Europe, so you decide to go there, you logically choose Portugal as you already speak the language. HOW is this a conspiracy?

For example, was the massive influx of Zimbabweans into South Africa a conspiracy to eradicate South Africans or was it a rational consideration on the part of Zimbabwean migrants?

According to you, the only reason people would migrate is because of some ludicrous Judeo-Bolshevik conspiracy. Do you have any idea how ridiculous that sounds?

So does migration happen "into ALL White countries and ONLY White countries"? NO! Large scale migration happens mostly in FORMER COLONIAL POWERS and mostly ONLY former colonial powers. Yes, these former colonial powers happen to be white, mostly, but correlation does not imply causation as you do.

THERE IS NO GOD DAMN CONSPIRACY!

[Dennis the 'Bloody Peasant']

I see this as being like a faith / belief; the idea of races and their importance. The belief in what White is and how White is something under attack and must be preserved...it's hard to convince or convert that kind of belief or lampoon it with reasoned arguements and facts.
If you want to know the future of such discussions with fash types; imagine a skull, banging into a brick wall, forever.

[Vorchev]

Click any country and you will see that the migration flows are RATIONAL.

Let's say you were born in Mozambique and you are dirt poor. You hear about the affluence of Europe, so you decide to go there, you logically choose Portugal as you already speak the language. HOW is this a conspiracy?

For example, was the massive influx of Zimbabweans into South Africa a conspiracy to eradicate South Africans or was it a rational consideration on the part of Zimbabwean migrants?

According to you, the only reason people would migrate is because of some ludicrous Judeo-Bolshevik conspiracy. Do you have any idea how ridiculous that sounds?

So does migration happen "into ALL White countries and ONLY White countries"? NO! Large scale migration happens mostly in FORMER COLONIAL POWERS and mostly ONLY former colonial powers. Yes, these former colonial powers happen to be white, mostly, but correlation does not imply causation as you do.

How do you explain the history of American immigration then?

Granted you can argue that modern immigration comes from American colonies such as Cuba, the Philippines, and Puerto Rico, but that doesn't account for all of it, and it doesn't account for the arrival of non-colonist immigration generations back.

For example, why would Irish, Italian, German, Polish, Hungarian, or other non-Anglo-Saxon Protestant Europeans emigrate to America?

Another weird example is Japanese-Brazilians. Where did they come from?

[TheRedAnarchist23]

It is ridiculous. They completely reject the fact that we as a human race will continue to "blend" with one another until we all look basically the same. This is just the way that history works. Just like Neanderthals mated with homo-sapiens and no longer exist, so too will whites and other races.

Even if humans had blended with each other to the point you refer, there would always be diferences between individuals born here or there, because of conditions in that specific area, like temperate.

[Luc]

I see this as being like a faith / belief; the idea of races and their importance. The belief in what White is and how White is something under attack and must be preserved...it's hard to convince or convert that kind of belief or lampoon it with reasoned arguements and facts.
If you want to know the future of such discussions with fash types; imagine a skull, banging into a brick wall, forever.

indeed, irrc some if not most white suprems believe now that the white race is blessed by god (christian one the "true" israelis) and the jews are children of satan and everyone else are souless mudpeople used by jews to attack whites

very basically and batantly of course they wouldnt word it as that :lol:

[roy]

'white countries' such as the US, australia, nz and those of western europe have lots of immigrants because a long time ago white man marched out to plunder the world and he did discover many riches. upon these vast and untold riches he consolidated economic dominion. now, due to the poverty perpetuated by exploitation/capitalism in most of the world, people are flocking to share in this wealth. also, imperialist wars and such.

similarly, whites aren't mass migrating to live in the poverty wrought by capitalism and the 'west'. as for the rest of it, yeah sure. anti-white all up in here. if you think there's such a thing as racial purity anyway, well... i have news about santa too.

[Rafiq]

Without genetic diversity, populations become very vulnurable to disease and birth defects.

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[Eagle_Syr]

Maybe the Europeans should have thought about that before exploiting Africa and Asia and leaving those peoples impoverished

Fun fact: most Fascists I knew and chatted with on an old forum were anti-racism. Nationalism doesn't necessarily have to invoke race.

Race should never be the basis for social relations. It is an informative detail, to be sure, but should never come into play otherwise.

[Deicide]

Maybe the Europeans should have thought about that before exploiting Africa and Asia and leaving those peoples impoverished

This is a pretty old thread. Anyway, I said something similar to the guy. His response was the typical white-supremacist response: White-Europeans taking over parts of Africa, India and the America's proves the superiority of the ''white race''. I couldn't be bothered conversing after that.

[Eagle_Syr]

This is a pretty old thread. Anyway, I said something similar to the guy. His response was the typical white-supremacist response: White-Europeans taking over parts of Africa, India and the America's proves the superiority of the ''white race''. I couldn't be bothered conversing after that.

Then you can reference the old-world conquests of the Persians, Arabs & other Semites, the Mongols, Egypt, etc

Europe being important is a new thing. For most of history, it was a nothing.

[MuscularTophFan]

There are no white, black, Asian nations. There are whites that live in South Africa just like how there are blacks that live in America. The world isn't some place where you can just pick and choose where certain groups of people live. This isn't 1945 anymore. Golbalization and immigration is going to eradicate white, black, and Asian "races." Eventually the entire world is going to be multiracial brownish kinda color. No reason to fight this.

[Eagle_Syr]

I think race is an informative detail in a strictly scientific sense, but should not be socially relevant.

And informative is not some abstract concept that we can debate. Something is informative if it reduces your uncertainty about a particular thing. Race is therefore informative. Classifying somebody as Asian, for example, reduces your uncertainty as to the color of their hair, skin; shape of the eyes; geographical origin.

But it is important to remember that this is a reduction in uncertainty, and only that. It does not eliminate uncertainty.

[Revolution starts with U]

I think race is an informative detail in a strictly scientific sense, but should not be socially relevant.

And informative is not some abstract concept that we can debate. Something is informative if it reduces your uncertainty about a particular thing. Race is therefore informative. Classifying somebody as Asian, for example, reduces your uncertainty as to the color of their hair, skin; shape of the eyes; geographical origin.

But it is important to remember that this is a reduction in uncertainty, and only that. It does not eliminate uncertainty.

I'm pretty sure many whites live in Asia...

Also, if I classify someone as European does that reduce your uncertainty about their etc? Are there no browns/blacks/etc in europe?

[Eagle_Syr]

I'm pretty sure many whites live in Asia... Correct. But Asian does not refer to white people. It is exclusively used to mean people of the Far East.

Hence why Near Eastern people are not Asian

I'm talking about race


Also, if I classify someone as European does that reduce your uncertainty about their etc? Are there no browns/blacks/etc in europe?

European is not a race. White is a race.

[Revolution starts with U]

Correct. But Asian does not refer to white people. It is exclusively used to mean people of the Far East.

Hence why Near Eastern people are not Asian

I'm talking about race



European is not a race. White is a race.

Why is "asian" a race and "european" not?
Arabs aren't "asian?"
I don't think these terms make all that much sense...

[Eagle_Syr]

Why is "asian" a race and "european" not? It's honestly not that complicated. When people use the term "Asian" they don't mean "somebody from Asia", they are using it racially to mean people of the Far East specifically. We could call it anything, honestly. The name doesn't matter as much as the fact that that race of people has characteristics in common which makes their label informative.

When you say "European", it just means people from Europe. Indigenous Europeans are white, which is a race.

Arabs aren't "asian?"
Arabs are asian, not Asian.

Although, many people don't include the Middle East as a part of the continent of Asia (I tend to support this since we have less in common with the rest of Asia than we do with Africa, the alternative).

Arabs are Semitic, Eastern Mediterranean and usually classified as White along with Jews


I don't think these terms make all that much sense...
Maybe not, but race is scientifically informative.

[Revolution starts with U]

It's honestly not that complicated. When people use the term "Asian" they don't mean "somebody from Asia", they are using it racially to mean people of the Far East specifically. We could call it anything, honestly. The name doesn't matter as much as the fact that that race of people has characteristics in common which makes their label informative.

I'm saying it is that complicated when some "white" dude comes up and says he's Asian.


When you say "European", it just means people from Europe. Indigenous Europeans are white, which is a race.

Indigenous Spanish, Italian, and Greeks don't really look all that white to me. In fact, all that I can see that separates them from other near-eastern people is culture.

Arabs are asian, not Asian.

This is getting more complicated by the second :lol:


Although, many people don't include the Middle East as a part of the continent of Asia (I tend to support this since we have less in common with the rest of Asia than we do with Africa, the alternative).

Arabs are Semitic, Eastern Mediterranean and usually classified as White along with Jews

Which has only been true for maybe 100 years tops. Hell, at one point even Irish people weren't considered white.


Maybe not, but race is scientifically informative.
I really don't think it is.

[Eagle_Syr]

I'm saying it is that complicated when some "white" dude comes up and says he's Asian. Then he must mean he comes from the continent of Asia.


Indigenous Spanish, Italian, and Greeks don't really look all that white to me. Those are ethnic groups. They are all white.


This is getting more complicated by the second It's incredibly simple.

The people of the Far East (the Chinese, for example) are classified racially as Asian. The term may be confusing you. If you are Asian, you belong to this race, this group of people. But there are other races in the continent of Asia, anybody who comes from Asia is asian.



I really don't think it is.
This isn't a matter of opinion.

[Revolution starts with U]

Then he must mean he comes from the continent of Asia.

So how am I supposed to know if someone is capitalizing their words in direct conversation? What am I supposed to do if they forget to capitalize a word in text?


Those are ethnic groups. They are all white.

You're saying Italians physically resemble Norwegians more than they do, say Syrians?

It's incredibly simple.
It doesn't seem so. I'm not sure A/a really simplifies things all that much.


The people of the Far East (the Chinese, for example) are classified racially as Asian. The term may be confusing you. If you are Asian, you belong to this race, this group of people. But there are other races in the continent of Asia, anybody who comes from Asia is asian.

What race are Indian people?


This isn't a matter of opinion.
It's not a matter of science either, that's for sure.

[Eagle_Syr]

So how am I supposed to know if someone is capitalizing their words in direct conversation? What am I supposed to do if they forget to capitalize a word in text? Usually people say "I'm Asian" when referring to their race. Otherwise people refer to their country of origin, not continent (and especially not the Asian continent). Regardless, this is just a conversational issue.


You're saying Italians physically resemble Norwegians more than they do, say Syrians? On the contrary, I bet they resemble other Mediterranean peoples more than Norwegians.

Syrians are white, as well. Semitic white.


What race are Indian people? Most are classified as Asian by the census.


It's not a matter of science either, that's for sure. It absolutely is. Race is informative.

The statement "Sally is black" is informative. It reduces uncertainty as to Sally's skin color, geographical origin, ancestry, and even athletic ability. It is therefore considered an informative statement.

[Revolution starts with U]

Usually people say "I'm Asian" when referring to their race. Otherwise people refer to their country of origin, not continent (and especially not the Asian continent). Regardless, this is just a conversational issue.

I think that's the whole point; race is a conversational issue, and a pretty poor one at that. If I'm of mixed "race" but resemble a "black" am I black?


On the contrary, I bet they resemble other Mediterranean peoples more than Norwegians.

Syrians are white, as well. Semitic white.

Since when are Syrians white? This must be a pretty recent development. Might want to inform all those white nationalists of this...


Most are classified as Asian by the census.

Ya, and according to the census most Americans are German.

It absolutely is. Race is informative.

The statement "Sally is black" is informative. It reduces uncertainty as to Sally's skin color, geographical origin, ancestry, and even athletic ability. It is therefore considered an informative statement.
Is Tiger woods black or Asian (almost forgot to capitalize that... whoo boy what a confusion that may have caused)?
Athletic ability? Really? Do you have any evidence for that, or just latent stereotypes?

[Revolution starts with U]

More importantly, how does the classification of race help us understand humanity more scientifically? Skin color, sure... tho this is circular reasoning. "Sally has black skin therefore Sally's race is black." It doesn't matter if Sally is the son of a white and black person, and the black parent is itself of mixed "race."

[Eagle_Syr]

I think that's the whole point; race is a conversational issue, and a pretty poor one at that. If I'm of mixed "race" but resemble a "black" am I black? You're mixed


Since when are Syrians white? This must be a pretty recent development. Might want to inform all those white nationalists of this...

Syrians are not European white, but they are white on the census and have generally been considered white in contrast with the people further to the East.

Persians are also white.


Ya, and according to the census most Americans are German. Okay


Is Tiger woods black or Asian (almost forgot to capitalize that... whoo boy what a confusion that may have caused)? He's mixed

Athletic ability? Really? Do you have any evidence for that, or just latent stereotypes?

All of this is taken from Richard Dawkin's The Ancestors' Tale, specifically the chapter about the grasshopper

[feather canyons]

Most of the "White" countries were never really "White" to begin with. They were stolen. If Europeans want to keep Europe white, they need to fix their social systems.