Question about abortion

[Nox]

Should the mother and father both have an equal say when it comes to whether or not to get an abortion because the baby is both of theirs? Or should the decision rest solely with the mother because it's her body?

[Sasha]

oh great, its this thread again....

answer; its is nice gesture if the mother pretends to be intrested in the opinion of the male but no, the donor has no say what so ever in the actual decision. this is the fundament of bodily autonomy.

note; anyone argueing or merely sugesting otherwise will be restricted, tread carefully...

[Trap Queen Voxxy]

Should the mother and father both have an equal say when it comes to whether or not to get an abortion because the baby is both of theirs? Or should the decision rest solely with the mother because it's her body?

I think it's an interesting question. A question that comes to mind for me (this is probably stupid but humor me) if adult A, wants to have X surgical procedure should parents C and D have a say in it because adult A is their genetic and biological progeny? I think we would all agree no considering the personal ownership of one's own body is sacrosanct.

[Brosa Luxemburg]

@ Psycho.

I completely agree with you answer, but I don't know why arguing otherwise would result in restriction. I don't really see how that is breaking the rules of the forum. Of course, I just joined the forum, so I don't know if another thread like this turned into a shitstorm of anti-abortion and sexist nuts or whatnot. This is not meant to be confrontational, I just don't really understand why arguing otherwise should result in a restriction (unless for blatant sexism, rape apologists, etc.)

[The Young Pioneer]

answer; its is nice gesture if the mother pretends to be intrested in the opinion of the male but no, the donor has no say what so ever in the actual decision. this is the fundament of bodily autonomy.

Yeah, doesn't the guy sort of give up the right to decide what's gonna happen to his sperm once he "gives" them to someone else? :lol:

When I opened the thread I was honestly afraid that the question would be stupider than this; it's really quite a simple thing. :thumbup1:

[Welshy]

@ Psycho.

I completely agree with you answer, but I don't know why arguing otherwise would result in restriction. I don't really see how that is breaking the rules of the forum. Of course, I just joined the forum, so I don't know if another thread like this turned into a shitstorm of anti-abortion and sexist nuts or whatnot. This is not meant to be confrontational, I just don't really understand why arguing otherwise should result in a restriction (unless for blatant sexism, rape apologists, etc.)

I think it's because arguing otherwise would be consider sexism (that a woman shouldn't have complete control over their bodies).

[Ilyich]

@ Psycho.

I completely agree with you answer, but I don't know why arguing otherwise would result in restriction. I don't really see how that is breaking the rules of the forum. Of course, I just joined the forum, so I don't know if another thread like this turned into a shitstorm of anti-abortion and sexist nuts or whatnot. This is not meant to be confrontational, I just don't really understand why arguing otherwise should result in a restriction (unless for blatant sexism, rape apologists, etc.)

Suggesting that a man should have any authority whatsoever is anti-choice, anti-choice is a form of sexism, and sexists should be restricted. It's on the FAQ page.


Yes. The only acceptable position on abortion on the forum is support for unrestricted, widespread, and totally free access to abortion at every stage of pregnancy throughout the entire world. The decision of whether to abort should be made only by each individual pregnant woman, and every woman has a right to choose. Any member who disagrees with this position and calls for any kind of barrier to access or suggests that any other party should have any degree of control will be restricted on the grounds that opposition to abortion is a form of sexism.

[Vladimir Innit Lenin]

oh great, its this thread again....

answer; its is nice gesture if the mother pretends to be intrested in the opinion of the male but no, the donor has no say what so ever in the actual decision. this is the fundament of bodily autonomy.

note; anyone argueing or merely sugesting otherwise will be restricted, tread carefully...

I think you're explaining this in a pretty unhelpful matter, though I do understand where you're coming from.

I see it as this. The decision rests with the carrier. The final decision, all of it. But that is not to say that 'it's a nice gesture if the mother pretends to be interested in the opinion of the non-carrier'; IMO the carrier actually has a duty to take into serious consideration the opinion of the non-carrier.

I think it works like this: if the non-carrier forces their influence on the carrier that is wrong in absolute terms; if the carrier forces their influence on the non-carrier (i.e. doesn't bother to listen to them or goes against everything the non-carrier wants), then in absolute terms they've done nothing wrong, but in relative terms (i.e. being a sensitive human being) they're wrong.

Hope that makes sense. I think that, as this is a learning forum, this sort of answer deserves fleshing out, as a non-explained, one-sided answer such as yours risks flaming newer/more inexperienced posters.

[Revolution starts with U]

Somewhat off-topic; what about in the case of adoption? Should the woman have the final say there, or should that be a co-decision between both parents?

[Leftsolidarity]

Somewhat off-topic; what about in the case of adoption? Should the woman have the final say there, or should that be a co-decision between both parents?

Of giving up a child? Well if they are both caring for the child then that is completely different than aborting a fetus.

[Sasha]

Somewhat off-topic; what about in the case of adoption? Should the woman have the final say there, or should that be a co-decision between both parents?

as far as i'm considerd its all about body intergrety during the pregnancy, afterwards both parents should have equal say, if the mom wants to not keep it and the dad does he should be first in line to get the kid.
i'm very insentive to "special connection" emotional blackmail bs.

[Welshy]

Somewhat off-topic; what about in the case of adoption? Should the woman have the final say there, or should that be a co-decision between both parents?

Once the child has been born, its no longer with in the realm of the woman being able to control what happens to the body. Because of this I would have to say that both parents (if both are present) should have a say in whether or not the child is to be put up for adoption and that none of them have a particular basis for claiming the final decision.

[Sputnik_1]

You can't force anyone to give birth. I mean, how sick that would be to put pressure and pretend from a woman to give birth to a child if it's against her will?
Of course, that would be great if the potential parents had a long talk and took decision together (without any pressure on the women), but in the end of the day that's her body.

[wunks]

answer; its is nice gesture if the mother pretends to be intrested in the opinion of the male but...(cut off)you actually think that there are no instances where the mother cares about the opinion of the male? I'm pretty sure that women sometimes get abortions for reasons that they actually do value the input of the male for

anyway, the final choice is always up to the mother as it is her body. abortion is an issue of bodily autonomy. a womans body is her own and she controls it.

[Revolution starts with U]

as far as i'm considerd its all about body intergrety during the pregnancy, afterwards both parents should have equal say, if the mom wants to not keep it and the dad does he should be first in line to get the kid.
i'm very insentive to "special connection" emotional blackmail bs.

Admittedly it was a loaded question so that a mod (you) could answer like this, and we can all point to it as evidence that the policy is not anti-male, or whatever reactionary rightists want to say, but rather purely about bodily autonomy. You answered well :lol:

[Parvati]

I understand why people (mostly men) ask oftenly this kind of question; they generally figure out how would they feel in the situation and don't like to be a complete "outsider" on the question. However, if you want to be respectful and non-oppressive, it's impossible for a men to have "something to say" in favor or against pregnancy if if's not the woman's choice : if you want the baby and she won't, then it's a bad idea; and if you do not want the baby and she wants, then you will just go away.

Anyway, almost all family issues really suck under capitalism and there is no perfect solutions, just only a few principles that are really minimal.

[campesino]

"if men got pregnant, abortion would be a sacrament" -Florynce Kennedy lawyer, activist, civil rights advocate, and feminist

the quote I remember replaced sacrament with constitutional right.

[Lobotomy]

I completely agree that the man has no say in the abortion process, and that the decision completely lies with the woman 100%. however, I have to say that I really don't like it when people say "if he doesn't want a child, he should keep it in his pants." that argument has always made me really uncomfortable for some reason. It reminds me of when people say that if a woman doesn't want to get pregnant she should "keep her legs closed." telling people to just stop having sex is probably the most unrealistic solution to any problem ever.

[Zav]

Note; anyone arguing or merely suggesting otherwise will be restricted. Tread carefully...
I fixed your spelling and grammar for you, Fǔhrer.

A woman must do with her body as she pleases, however the potential father should have the right to a figurative abortion, that is having the ability to opt out of the legal responsibilities of parenthood. It would be similar to disownment, however applicable to an unborn child.