Maharashtra To Kill Tiger Poachers On Sight

[Althusser]

http://now.msn.com/now/0523-shooting-tiger-poachers-in-india.aspx

"A state in India has a novel idea of how to protect endangered tigers from poachers: Kill the poachers! The Western Indian state of Maharashtra now allows forest guards to shoot poachers on sight. They will also send more rangers into forests and offer covert payments to informers in attempts to curb the killings. India is home to nearly half of the world's tiger population, and poaching remains a serious problem there: 14 tigers have been killed this year, more than all of 2011, with eight dying in Maharashtra."

[TheGodlessUtopian]

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Awesome to hear, hopefully the program is skillfully carried out and produces results which end in less tigers being killed.

[danyboy27]

I dont see how it will change anything, the Indian state is fucking corrupt to the bone, i wouldnt even be surprised that the forest guard would be the one paid by the poacher to kill the tigers.

Even tho child labor is illegal in India there are milions of kids working for private buisnesses, working in the construction industry or in the service industry.

I think its also important to note that India is poor has fuck, and chances are some of these poacher are people trying to make some buck to feed their family.

[Trap Queen Voxxy]

I think its also important to note that India is poor has fuck, and chances are some of these poacher are people trying to make some buck to feed their family.

The above is why I have reservations to just applauding this measure which is my knee jerk reaction.

With this being said, the tigers are being hunted into extinction and this needs to stop. Fuck the bourgy tiger wine and pseudo-medicine trade.

[Yuppie Grinder]

Instead of seeking out why tigers are being poached, lets just deal with it with state violence.
The real criminal isn't the poacher. It's the bougie old lady somewhere who needs tiger fur for some decadent luxury item that has no practical use who's asking to get shot. As an above poster mentioned, the poachers are probably just trying to get by in an economy of scarcity.

It just occurred to me that the Indian state values the lives of tigers over the lives of it's own impoverished people. Hilarious.

[Os Cangaceiros]

How poor is the average poacher?

[Manic Impressive]

Awesome to hear, hopefully the program is skillfully carried out and produces results which end in less tigers being killed.
You're joking right? Please tell me you're joking.

Death penalty for killing a tiger.

[Sperm-Doll Setsuna]

It just occurred to me that the Indian state values the lives of tigers over the lives of it's own impoverished people. Hilarious.

I'm pretty sure the Indian state is as indifferent to both as it can be. However, one thing it is not insensitive to is criticism of something which forms part of a nationalist pride, particularly when this is one of these things westerners will have a soft spot for. Cuddly-wuddly tigers and once you see some cultural hacks in the west moan about the tigers you see this forcing the Indian state into acting in order to feign concern, just like when it pretends it's "lifting people out of poverty" and using a very low income threshold in order to call "600 million people", most of whom in reality live in impoverished and unacceptable conditions, "middle-class". The Indian state thus is concerned about its PR image for failing to protect the tigers, that is what it comes down to. They care as little for the tigers as they do the workers of their textile mills.

[Rafiq]

Sorry, if I need to some money to eat I care fuck all about tigers.

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[Terminator X]

Let's not romanticize this and make it out to be "poor Indian families killing tigers in order to put food on the table for their families." The crackdown is directed at professional poachers who have made a career out of it. Most of those arrested in the past have killed multiple animals and have made close to a fortune. (http://www.wildlifeextra.com/go/news/tiger-poacher912.html#cr).

I have no problem introducing this measure as a deterrent to these scumbags.

[Manic Impressive]

Anarcho-Communist says that the state is justified in handing out on the spot death sentences, you heard it here first.

[Terminator X]

Right, because every situation that arises in society fits in lockstep with a rigid dogma that one must follow and never deviate. :rolleyes:

(Although a "Marxist" advocating profit maximization at the expense of an endangered species is pretty hilarious, too. See how this goes both ways?)

[danyboy27]

Let's not romanticize this and make it out to be "poor Indian families killing tigers in order to put food on the table for their families." The crackdown is directed at professional poachers who have made a career out of it. Most of those arrested in the past have killed multiple animals and have made close to a fortune. (http://www.wildlifeextra.com/go/news/tiger-poacher912.html#cr).

I have no problem introducing this measure as a deterrent to these scumbags.

i dont think the forest ranger will really make a distinction between the professional poacher or the poor dude who just want not to starve, he will kill both equally.

Death isnt usually a deterrent for poor peoples to make money In india, for further information take a look at this picture of an indian dude manipulating asbestos with nothing to protect his lung but a small piece of rag.


http://www.abc.net.au/reslib/201111/r849680_8021076.jpg


dont worry for the professional poacher, they will bribe their way in and out of reservation with plenty of tigers without problem, that how it work in India, Capitalism FTW!

[wunks]

I think its also important to note that India is poor has fuck, and chances are some of these poacher are people trying to make some buck to feed their family.that actually seems really unlikely to me.

I think it's pretty weird that everyone is assuming that poachers are impoverished people struggling to put food on the table. considering that only 14 tigers have been killed this year, and that there are professional poachers who do this for a living, it's actually unlikely that any of these tigers at all were killed by severely impoverished people like you are all making it seem. these tigers were most likely all killed by rich professionals.

[Yuppie Grinder]

Let's not romanticize this and make it out to be "poor Indian families killing tigers in order to put food on the table for their families." The crackdown is directed at professional poachers who have made a career out of it. Most of those arrested in the past have killed multiple animals and have made close to a fortune. (http://www.wildlifeextra.com/go/news/tiger-poacher912.html#cr).

I have no problem introducing this measure as a deterrent to these scumbags.

The death penalty as a crime deterrent has been proven not to work I don't know how many times.

[wunks]

The death penalty as a crime deterrent has been proven not to work I don't know how many times.and even if it was, it is still ridiculous to shoot poachers on sight.

[danyboy27]

that actually seems really unlikely to me.

I think it's pretty weird that everyone is assuming that poachers are impoverished people struggling to put food on the table. considering that only 14 tigers have been killed this year, and that there are professional poachers who do this for a living, it's actually unlikely that any of these tigers at all were killed by severely impoverished people like you are all making it seem. these tigers were most likely all killed by rich professionals.

and has i said if its a bunch of rich dude doing the hunting this measure wont do squat beccause they always bribe their way out in India, heck they might even pay the forest guard to kill those tigers!

Let me explain you how it will goes:
While either turning a blind eye or killing the tiger themselves and getting all the money, the forest guard will also be rewarded by killing many so called poachers, mostly innocent poor people unlucky enough to pass trough the area.

The India governement is not even able to enforce basic regulation regarding child labor or how the healthcare system is run, how on earth giving a license to kill to a bunch of corrupt forest guard is gonna make anything better?

[wunks]

and has i said if its a bunch of rich dude doing the hunting this measure wont do squat beccause they always bribe their way out in India, heck they might even pay the forest guard to kill those tigers!

Let me explain you how it will goes:
While either turning a blind eye or killing the tiger themselves and getting all the money, the forest guard will also be rewarded by killing many so called poachers, mostly innocent poor people unlucky enough to pass trough the area.

The India governement is not even able to enforce basic regulation regarding child labor or how the healthcare system is run, how on earth giving a license to kill to a bunch of corrupt forest guard is gonna make anything better?I don't understand at all why you're explaining to me why this is a bad law. I said it's ridiculous. I was just pointing out the idea that people who poach are impoverished and just trying to get some food on the table isn't correct.

[Sinister Cultural Marxist]

I'm not necessarily agreeing with this law, but there seem to be some misconceptions here:

(1) A living tiger in the forest brings more real economic benefits to the people living in the local area than a dead tiger. Eco-tourism, wildlife preservation and so on creates real jobs for local people. Poaching, on the other hand, destroys those jobs.

(2) The park wardens are more likely to be members of the local working class than the poachers. Some local farmer in Maharashtra is unlikely to have the economic or social means to make a living by poaching.

(3) These poachers are heavily armed and often dangerous themselves. They are, after all, poaching a dangerous animal that can kill people with ease. They aren't walking around the forest with bows and arrows but high caliber rifles.

(4) Helping the poor and starving in India is not mutually exclusive with helping the tigers. In fact, as point 1 and 2 show, the opposite is the case.

There are better ways of protecting tigers than just shooting poachers on sight, like trying to deal with the black market which feeds the problem. Yet this problem is not so simple as some are making it out to be.



While either turning a blind eye or killing the tiger themselves and getting all the money, the forest guard will also be rewarded by killing many so called poachers, mostly innocent poor people unlucky enough to pass trough the area.

The India governement is not even able to enforce basic regulation regarding child labor or how the healthcare system is run, how on earth giving a license to kill to a bunch of corrupt forest guard is gonna make anything better?

It should be noted that many of the people who work at these parks are poor people from the local area who are dependent on the survival of the wildlife for their long-term economic success. I'm sure many officials would be corrupt and cut deals with poachers, but it's a little more complicated than this still. Many of the people who work at the park are not the kind of corrupt people responsible for undermining India's society but people who actually economically benefit from the survival of the wildlife in the long term.

[wunks]

where did the idea that this is India screwing over the poor working class poachers come from anyway? did nobody here actually know anything about poachers before they spoke?

[black magick hustla]

death penalty because of a dumb animal, are you guys fucking kidding me

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