Paradox games like Darkest Hour or HOI

[Tukhachevsky]

Does someone here enjoy turn-based strategy games like Darkest Hour?
Such a feel of second world war officers discussing over a map!

[Manic Impressive]

EU3 is the best Vicky 2 is pretty good. I can't get into HOI3. But as a company I really like Paradox they take their time to put out a good product and keep working on it years after it's come out. Like all the games are always a work in progress. Unlike other companies who put out one patch and leave it at that.

[Leonid Brozhnev]

Same as Manic Impressive, I tried HoI and Darkest Hour, as much as enjoy WW2 type games and as much as I'd like to get into them, I simply don't find them entertaining. I love Vicky II though, I prefer it's economic simulation (although it's pretty shaky at the best of times) and that you don't need to be in a perpetual state of War for the game to be interesting... in AHD with the fabricating of Cassus Belli, the game almost discourages conquest. I'd probably enjoy EU if I had it as I've heard it's pretty similar. If Paradox combined all the good parts of these games with the era of HoI, they'd be on to a winner as far as I'm concerned.

[Manic Impressive]

I loved Vicky 2 vanilla back then laissez faire economies would occasionally go into recession causing all the factories to close and millions of rebels to spawn. Usually anarcho-liberals WTF? But yeah once they "fixed" the laissez faire and weakened the rebels all the challenge went out of the game for me.

[Red Commissar]

Darkest Hour is pretty much the culmination of HoI2. I like the way HOI3 runs and what not but the lack of mods compared to HoI2 due to its structure makes it hard to play it as often.

V2 seemed to be more accessible than V1 for me. It's amusing taking a dead beat nation like Persia and making them a secondary if not world power. I like the new tweaks and features in the expansion too. Unfortunately the devteam appears to have a marked bias against communists, more so than expected from a studio. I believe this is due to a dev who is pro-market, hence some of the events regarding intervention. For reference, here is the red guards description.

"The Red Guards are communists who have risen in open rebellion against the government, and, more importantly, against all of what they consider to be the reactionary trappings of the bourgeois state, and even society. In opposition to the institutions of religion, tradition, private ownership and family, these revolutionaries seek instead to establish a 'Dictatorship of The Proletariat', the first step on the long, corpse-strewn way to the promised classless utopia of Communism."

[Sperm-Doll Setsuna]

Too bad they all have a tendency to crash all the time. Especially after one has spent some hours fondling with the save files and events.

[#FF0000]

Too bad they all have a tendency to crash all the time. Especially after one has spent some hours fondling with the save files and events.

I haven't had that particular problem in awhile. Multiplayer can be a fucking nightmare though with the constant desync issues.

But yeah Hearts of Iron has been a challenge to get into for me. I'm used to painting the map and running economies in EU3 and Vicky2.

[Tukhachevsky]

Same as Manic Impressive, I tried HoI and Darkest Hour, as much as enjoy WW2 type games and as much as I'd like to get into them, I simply don't find them entertaining.

He, strangely I feel the same. HOI feels too much deterministic and clusterfuck. But what other option there is for strategy games? Total war, where you paint the map with your color while the AI bump the head over a wall repeatedly?


I like the way HOI3 runs and what not but the lack of mods compared to HoI2 due to its structure makes it hard to play it as often.

I hated HOI3, although unit production and covert operations are very optimized, many things have being dumbed down... I don't feel as if tinkering in my economy anymore, it's like it runs by itself.


Too bad they all have a tendency to crash all the time

They never crashed with me.

[Obs]

Downloaded CK2 yesterday and have played it for 13 hours since. This game is so fucking good.

[wsg1991]

Downloaded CK2 yesterday and have played it for 13 hours since. This game is so fucking good.

what's that game ?

[GiantMonkeyMan]

Crusader Kings 2; basically you take control of a dynasty rather than a country and try to make your family as powerful as you can through war, assassination and marriage. It's better than it sounds. Full of murder, intrigue and awesomness.

Personally, I enjoy Hearts of Iron in its various forms. There's a great mod for Darkest Hour called 'Kaiserreich' that is an alternate history in which the Central Powers won WW1 and syndicalist revolutions erupted in Britain and France. I also like how in the latest versions of HoI3 you can inflitrate other countries with your spies and try to stir up a coup. I modded my Soviet Union to be run by Zinoviev and Trotsky and had them start revolutions in half of Europe. :D

[Hermes]

I love Paradox. My wet dream is for a game spanning from Rome through WWII.

[Rusty Shackleford]

im waiting for the for the motherland expak for hoi3. vicky 2 is good but the politics and combat seem to be a bit vapid, and combat in hoi3 is just... fuuuuuuuuuck.

[Leonid Brozhnev]

I've been playing a bit of Crusader Kings II the past few days, it's fun but I'm finding it pretty fucking difficult to build up sizable levies.

[#FF0000]

I've been playing a bit of Crusader Kings II the past few days, it's fun but I'm finding it pretty fucking difficult to build up sizable levies.

Those take time. You've been upgrading your castle/Cities/Temples to give you more levies, right?

[Grenzer]

Personally, I enjoy Hearts of Iron in its various forms. There's a great mod for Darkest Hour called 'Kaiserreich' that is an alternate history in which the Central Powers won WW1 and syndicalist revolutions erupted in Britain and France. I also like how in the latest versions of HoI3 you can inflitrate other countries with your spies and try to stir up a coup. I modded my Soviet Union to be run by Zinoviev and Trotsky and had them start revolutions in half of Europe. :D

Jeezus, they might as well throw in fire breathing dragons and flying saucers at that point.

I'm thinking about getting Crusader Kings 2, but I never really figured out how to play Hearts of Iron. I was good enough with the Victoria series though.

[Manic Impressive]

CK2 is a million miles away from HOI. I just got CK2 yesterday it's pretty good but much like CK1 which I think you can buy for only one or two moneys. It might be worth buying that first to see if you like that style of play. CK2 is a shit load harder than CK1 the AI feels light years ahead of it's predecessor. They've also announced the first expansion "sword of Islam" which looks fantastic.

http://forum.paradoxplaza.com/forum/content.php?981-1.06-Information-First-Expansion

[Leonid Brozhnev]

Those take time. You've been upgrading your castle/Cities/Temples to give you more levies, right?

Yeah, was using an old version, got the 1.5 patch and it seems much easier now, increasing levy laws also helps. It's fun going the small Earls/Counts and working your way up... was Count of Gottland for a few years before I given the Duchy of Smaland, and was eventually selected to be King of Sweden. Declared Holy War on Finland, took massive chunks of land, but got deposed later on when the King of Norway had me excommunicated, probably because I was getting too powerful for my own good, now Sweden is slowly breaking up and warring with itself constantly.

Saw the Sword of Islam expansion coming in a few weeks, sounds promising. I knew it was coming when I first tried to go an Islamic ruler and the game told me I couldn't.

[TheRedAnarchist23]

I like the way Victoria 2 invented anarcho-liberalism:D

I have only tried Victoria 2 and Darkest Hour, (I never managed to learn how to effectively play darkest hour:()

I now play Sins of a Solar Empire.(which has absolutely nothing to do wth this)

[Conscript]

EU3 is the best Vicky 2 is pretty good. I can't get into HOI3. But as a company I really like Paradox they take their time to put out a good product and keep working on it years after it's come out. Like all the games are always a work in progress. Unlike other companies who put out one patch and leave it at that.

Isn't this a huge contradiction? When vicky 2 came out it felt rushed being a buggy, rebel-infested mess.

[Hermes]

Isn't this a huge contradiction? When vicky 2 came out it felt rushed being a buggy, rebel-infested mess.

I didn't find the rebels to be that unbearable to be honest. I think what he was getting at is that if some other company were to put out a game in that state, it would probably stay that way, or be fixed in a paid expansion/DLC. Paradox is pretty good with both free patches and reasonable DLC (maybe too many sprite packs/music)

[Manic Impressive]

Isn't this a huge contradiction? When vicky 2 came out it felt rushed being a buggy, rebel-infested mess.
what Hermes said but yeah I thought vanilla Vicky was better than the up to date patched version. Maybe the first patch was ok but it went downhill from there. The point is free market capitalism should cause millions of rebels when all the factories get shut because they are unprofitable, I never had that trouble because I always went either state capitalist or planned economy. But people didn't the truth so they changed it. I didn't have any real trouble with bugs.

[Commiekirby]

All Paradox games are wonderful... we should do a giant multiplayer game or something.